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ag. 16, 2006, 11:30 pm

What kind of coffee do you like? How do you like it? What books go best with coffee? How much coffee do you drink? So on and so forth. DISCUSS!

ag. 17, 2006, 3:30 am

Freshly ground and strong. Guatemalan is good, I like a dark roast with just a little sugar.

All books go with coffee :-)

Too much

ag. 17, 2006, 11:57 am

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ag. 17, 2006, 12:01 pm

Is the Coffee! group still around? When I saw this one, I looked at the complete group list because I thought I'd remembered one, but I don't see Coffee! on the list.

Now the Tea group is going strong!

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ag. 17, 2006, 2:22 pm

The best coffee I ever had was in Japan in the '70s when I went to Sophia University. Coffee shops there were real gourmet experiences if you could find the right ones. They would have pages of coffee choices on their menus. Each cup was individually brewed in a glass siphon. One place that was my favorite was in Nakano, a section of Tokyo. I was told the people that made coffee there had to go to school for 6 months to learn how to make coffee.

I also learned that Japan was buying 90% of the world's best coffee at that time. If you consider a standard bell curve for quality in coffee, the U.S. bought the most coffee, but it was the central part of the bell-curve while Japan bought most of the high quality coffee represented by the right side of a standard bell-curve for quality.

I've returned to Japan several times and sadly discovered that the coffee boom is over and can no longer find that coffee that I so loved while going to school there.

Now I get Gevalia.

Editat: ag. 17, 2006, 4:45 pm

What a luscious story about coffee Dickison. I swing both ways. I like Coffee! and Tea! I am particularly fond of iced chai with soy milk--no ice.

I am pretty disturbed about the whole NYC Starbuck's fiasco. I've been to several of the named ones...

Still won't stop me from drinking coffee at a cafe and talking like we are here!

ag. 18, 2006, 11:55 am

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ag. 19, 2006, 11:27 pm

Yeah, the Coffee! group just kind of went and disappeared. Hence...

So, since I'm back from my vacation and have a little internet time, might as well answer a few of my own questions:

Strong coffee of almost any blend is my preferance (I'm not too picky as long as its brewed well). I usually use a simple auto-drip, but when I have a little more time to myself, I use a french press. I've also made Turkish coffee. Starved for decent coffee shops out here in NoDak, which is really painful for a native Northwesterner, but there is still Starbucks, as well as a Midwestern chain called Caribou Coffee. I drink about 2-3 cups on any given day, which is a remarkable dip from my 5 strong cups a day peak while in college.

My three favorite coffee shops, no order: Espresso Roma, Eugene OR (franchise that focuses on campus neighborhoods. The one in Eugene is distinct because the coffee taste like motor oil and is about as strong. When you absolutly, positively have to stay awake until Thursday, this is the place to go), Old Town Coffee, Florence OR (each cup is brewed from scratch, the beans ground fresh and poured through the cup's own individual filter), Full City Coffee, Eugene OR (the perfect Pacific Northwest coffee shop, with two locations).

I've spun the "books that go good with coffee question off into its own topic, and have given my answer there.

ag. 20, 2006, 12:13 am

I like strong coffee also but don't like the bitterness from just adding more coffee to the brewer. I found a good way to make a strong, non-bitter brew is to use a cold-water process. I use this coffee toddy I buy whole bean Gevalia and use an entire 8oz package. I give it a medium grind and use good filtered water at room temperature. I fill the container with the filtered water and put the entire 8oz package into the brewer (you can see a pic at the link given above). I then let it set for 24 hours. I then filter that into the glass container. This coffee is pretty strong and I drink it straight, but it is not at all bitter. I put it into a demitasse cup and zap it in the microwave to just the right temperature. I then add some large-crystal coffee sugar but I don't stir it, just swirl it around a little bit to get some of the sugar dissolved. I then add cream gently so that it floats on top, not stirring it either. Then I sip it through the cream. As I approach the bottom of the cup, the flavor gradually gets sweeter, so each sip is a new experience.

I've found that larger cups don't work as well as the demitasse cups and that if you overheat the coffee you lose the aromatics.

The coffee toddy process also allows you to make good ice coffee. Of course you can always dillute it if it is too strong, in which case it makes a good liquid instant coffee that you can store in your frig. When you are ready for hot coffee, just dillute it to the strength you like and zap it.

Editat: ag. 22, 2006, 8:16 am

I used to be a tea drinker... until my husband converted me to the darker side. :)

We have always been in pursuit of the perfect cup of coffee: did Starbucks whole beans for awhile, stuff like that. Now we know that's just for amateurs. My husband roasts green coffee beans that he gets online and man, oh, man is it soooo good. So simple to do and much better than the mud most folks think is "good" coffee.

Tolkien + coffee + uninterruped reading time = aahhhh happiness


ag. 22, 2006, 1:19 pm

Coffee or tea is fine with me as long as it is black and very strong. I grew up in a suburb of New Orleans, so drink the local CDM coffee and chicory (Cafe du Monde), but no sugar or milk. When I brew a pot of coffee I add extra chicory to the mix (French Market blend). The chicory keeps the strong coffee from upsetting my stomach. A friend told me about the cold-coffee method, but I'm satisfied with what I do now.

At the Cafe du Monde they traditionally serve the coffee half and half, that is good too, but I've become accustomed to the black.

Black coffee and anything chocolate plus a good book is the best combo in the world. :)

ag. 22, 2006, 4:50 pm

MonicaBrandywine, I am fascinated by the green coffee beans...

I think half and half is the only way to do coffee if you are going to add anything--and sugar. I've had black coffee and don't mind it, but I love it best flavored and light.

ag. 22, 2006, 5:04 pm

Strong, black and hot!

hee! hee!

Don't need sugar, creme or anything else.

I drink a lot of coffee. My husband calls me Caf-fiend. My Dr. wants me to cut the coffee down. I try, but I slip every once in a while.

My husband drinks his coffee like the Wolf (lots of cream, lots of sugar). I aways ask him if he needs a cup of coffee to go with that candy!

ag. 23, 2006, 7:58 am

Me too, I like my coffee sweet with Splenda and light cream. Maybe someday I'll do it black or at least with no sugar.

Fiso, this is the book that got us started on roasting our own coffee: Home Coffee Roasting. Take care - when you start roastiing your own, you never want that other stuff again.

ag. 24, 2006, 10:57 pm

Hello Everyone! Glad to see that I didn't have an episode over the prior Coffee! group. I thought I had joined it! And then poof! gone.

Anyway, I grind my own beans and I like it strong and black. Green Mountain Coffee's Vermont Blend is my old stand-by.

Skinny latte from Caribou Coffee is my prefered drive-thru java.

I am looking at the Braun Tassimo TA 1400 Hot Beverage System as my XMas gift to myself this year - I have to look out for my self! Anyone have this, any reviews? Worth it, or not?

I have not found a book yet that doesn't read better with a steaming cup of coffee.

French Press - comments? I am, for all my drinking experience, not even sure what all it entails. Is the flavor worth the time?

ag. 25, 2006, 10:41 am

French Press is the way to go.

Put coffee grounds in pot (to taste) but on no account put the amount that is usually recommended (1 spoon per cup) or you will have brown water instead of coffee :-)

Add off the boil water and leave to stew for about 3 mins. Press then pour. Generally gives a good cup, but I still prefer my espresso stove.

ag. 25, 2006, 10:47 am

mendoza, i personally think the french press more flavorful than drip. more loving of the coffee, more artsy, if you take my meaning.

with the french press, you grind the beans, put it into the press, cover with boiling water, put the screen lid with plunger on top. let it "perk" for about 3 minutes, press down, separating the coffee from the grinds. enjoy! it's easy as pie, which of course goes great with your coffee.

ag. 25, 2006, 11:51 am

Here is the copy from an e-mail newsletter I get:

By its geographic location and environmental conditions alone, Mexico’s coffee products have the highest intrinsic quality worldwide. Now add passion, enthusiasm and intensive labor based on age-old traditions, you’ve got yourself an amazing cup of coffee.

As the country’s main export and primary source of employment, Mexico’s economic health and its sustainability depend greatly upon the support of its coffee products.

In recognition of this, the Mexican Government gave a grant to various components of the industry to promote more socially conscious practices as well as the coffee’s themselves.

Jalima, a company who provides products of unsurpassed quality and flavor while operating in a fashion that highlights their commitment to Mexico, has been chosen to spearhead this effort here in the states. Recently, Jalima presented “The Coffee’s of Mexico,” at the 2006 Coffee and Tea Festival; an enlightening video that teaches the importance of Mexican coffee as it pertains to its own socio-economic conditions and to the world’s as a whole.

Jalima is on a relentless pursuit of doing what’s right for the good people who create the world’s good coffee. To schedule a presentation email Visit to obtain more information on the company, it’s mission or their unique product line.

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All of us coffee and tea drinkers are all too familiar with the stains that these beloved beverages leave behind. Apparently, there’s a stain that some might be more inclined to welcome. According to Bella Online, pouring coffee on your hair is reportedly the best natural way of brightening dull brunettes or doing away with some of those pesky gray’s.

Brew 2 cups of strong coffee. Allow it to cool.
Pour this over your hair after you shampoo and condition. Leave it in as you dry and style your hair.

You may also use black tea.
Brew 2 cups of tea using 6 to 8 tea bags.

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Fox Searchlight has officially announced the production of Wes Anderson’s next film, The Darjeeling Limited. It’s a comedy about three brothers played by Owen Wilson, Adrien Brody and Jason Schwartzman. The story begins with their father’s death and results in a comedic, self-discovery-sort-of-journey across India.

Roman Copolla, Jason Swartzman and Wes Anderson reportedly collaborated on the script. If your idea of comedic genius is encapsulated by films such as Rushmore, Bottle Rocket, The Royal Tennenbaums or The Life Aquatic, then this new project will be sure to please.

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set. 1, 2006, 2:56 pm

what's the best type of ground coffee for the french press?

set. 1, 2006, 5:30 pm

coarsely ground lest the coffee escape the filter. let us know how it goes

Monica, who enjoyed three cups of French press coffee this rainy afternoon :)

set. 12, 2006, 1:30 pm

I like to make French press for myself whenever I have a day off and some spare time. I used to make Turkish coffee as well, back when a friend of mine took a trip to Serbia and brought a bag of a good blend for it. Supplies ran out though and I haven't bothered to look for more.

Most days I don't take the time and just use an autodrip so I can do otherthings while the coffee is getting ready. I and up drinking a lot of Folgers (which I don't even think qualifies as an organic substance) at work because I get desperate.

oct. 13, 2006, 6:10 am


Check out I am sure there is a review of that brewer on that site

oct. 15, 2006, 1:19 pm

For me?.. espresso in large quantities through an IV tube.

Or Turkish coffee.. black as night, sweet as sin. Perfection in a glass, it is.

oct. 17, 2006, 9:58 am

coffee ... god, it's been years, i barely remember how much i depended on it for so many things. to wake me up. to manage my day. even that last cup of coffee before bed, the last few years that one went to decafe ...

i think one of the reasons i don't remember much about coffee is i haven't woke up since i quit, some 4 years back.

so ... what's the topic again?

sippin green chai tea and feelin groovy ...

gen. 10, 2007, 4:04 am

I am a coffee lover and have spent many years socialising in outdoor coffee shops and this summer I became alergic to coffee from over exposure! Can you think of anything worse? I can't even drink tea! Now I have to drink chocolate milk or hot chocolate :) I hate water and I'm alergic to juice so it's the only thing left for me :( *pout*
Now I can only drink virtual coffee *mmm, this cappuccino is great!*

Editat: nov. 1, 2007, 5:30 am

I like my coffee black with no sugar. I usually drink the filter type of coffee which is most common in this part of the world. I do prefer fairtrade coffee, and have recently discovered a roast dark enough for my taste.

I do also love the portugese "abatenado" which is, I think, same as "americano". the watery espresso.

gen. 10, 2008, 12:00 pm

I like my coffee like my women-

Hot & all over my lap when I'm trying to drive.


ag. 9, 2008, 9:31 am

BookAddict (25): Allergic to coffee and tea? I can think of worse things, but not many.

Is it the caffeine? I like rooibos "tea"--not actually true tea, but similar in flavor and prepared the same way, but no caffeine. And unlike a lot of herbals, it's got a strong enough flavor that a coffee lover might enjoy it.

Also known as "red tea," it's a South African thing and used to be difficult to find here, but in the past few years it's been appearing in my local stores. If it's the caffeine that bothers you, give it a try.

ag. 9, 2008, 9:36 am

Jimm (27), that's a good one!

So I could say I like my men strong, hot and straight. ;-)

ag. 18, 2008, 7:19 pm

BookAddict (25) I can't imagine being allergic to coffee--goodness, how do you wake yourself in the morning? Has your doctor given you any ideas other than to avoid coffee and tea?

ag. 18, 2008, 10:01 pm


Someone actually posted!

Quick someone get me a coffee!

ag. 31, 2008, 11:53 pm

I introduced my sister to iced coffee today at a little bistro. They had used a coffee with a full dark kinda smoky flavor and I thought it was great. My sister, however, thought it tasted burnt! Very strange. A definite difference in taste buds, I guess.

set. 1, 2008, 9:57 pm

I have never cared for iced coffee.

My tenant said to try making your own, and instead of using icecubes freeze up some cubes of coffee, so it doesn't water down your iced coffee., Also this way you can control how strong and sweet it is.

I have not tried it yet but will just to give it every chance I can.

set. 2, 2008, 1:01 am

I just learned that trick about the coffee ice cubes, but haven't tried it myself yet.

You mention "control how strong and sweet it is." I drink my coffee black without sweetener, and that goes for iced coffee too. Tho if a place makes it with milk, I can drink it that way, but definitely no sweetener.

Do you usually add sugar to coffee when you drink it hot?

Editat: set. 2, 2008, 6:27 pm

Yes I just add a little sugar, more milk.
I can drink it without sugar but can not drink it without milk!

I also like "Good" coffee. I am not a cheap coffee drinker. I figure - I don't really spend alot of money on other things (except books), I always buy clothes on sale etc. so I have the right to buy good coffee.
At least that is what I keep telling myself.

set. 3, 2008, 1:57 pm

I love strong coffee, but with cream and sugar. I'm not crazy about cold or iced coffee unless it is really sweet and loaded with chocolate or caramel. I love Starbucks.

Editat: set. 3, 2008, 3:10 pm

I too love stong coffee, tho usually just black. Or, for expresso, with a twist of lemon. However, there are times I enjoy the dressed up versions with chocolate or caramel and lots of whipped cream.

Oh, and I also really like cappucino, latte, and cafe au lait, but all without any sweetener.

set. 3, 2008, 6:52 pm

I have never tried lemon in coffee. That's new to me.

set. 3, 2008, 8:36 pm

I have never heard of lemon in coffee as well???
But I will try anything when it comes to coffee, so I will let you know tomorrow!

set. 3, 2008, 8:46 pm

Perhaps I should clarify. When I say a twist of lemon, that's a little piece of lemon peel (no white) that you hold over the cup and twist so a little tiny spray of lemon oil from the peel gets in the coffee, then you drop the peel into the cup. So it's just a hint of lemon in the expresso.

I've never tried it with regular coffee. If you do, itsJUSTme, you'll have to let us know how it turns out.

set. 3, 2008, 11:30 pm

I was on a date with this girl I had a huuuge crush on in graduate school long ago. I'd never had an espresso, but we got some after dinner and they came in tiny cups with lemon peels and I had no idea what to do with them. I thought the peel was a sliver of butter at first!

Editat: set. 4, 2008, 9:27 am

CD1am -

LOL, good thing I didn't go dumping lemon in my cup!
Anyway, I forgot this morning, so I soon as I read this at 9:20 am, I took my 1/2 cup of coffee and put just a couple of drops of lemon juice in.
I could not taste the lemon at all, but you know what, it did something to the coffee! Unless it is my imagination, it tastes better, smother, maybe the lemon takes the acid out, or counter acts with something???

This is fun, any other ideas? We should start a new post - "coffee experiments".

set. 4, 2008, 1:49 pm

# 41 slick, that is funny. Did you ever figure out what to do with the lemon peel back then?

#42 itsjustme, That's interesting. I know I like expresso better when it's served with a twist of lemon, than at places that don't serve it that way, but I've never compared what the difference is in the flavor. Of course, there must be some effect, or the Italians wouldn't have started the practice.

set. 4, 2008, 2:08 pm

I threw it in there thinking it was butter and would melt and I remember thinking, "that's not butter" as I tossed it in...she was very nice about it.

set. 5, 2008, 3:14 pm

Supposedly the purpose of lemon zest in an espresso was to counteract (or better, mask) the bad taste of Italian water.

set. 5, 2008, 3:30 pm

When I worked in a small eatery, our Cinnamon Coffee was very popular. If you want to try it, I would suggest putting one or two shakes of ground cinnamon (or a pinch) in the bottom of your cup, then add your coffee, milk, sweetener.
Later on, you can add shakes to your ground coffee and let it perk through.
Anyone here tried the old method of adding crushed eggshells to the ground coffee? Curious to know if it smooths out the flavour as rumoured.
I also have discovered a new twist: ginger vanilla ice cream with hot coffee poured over top - yum.
Books to sip coffee by? Coffee and creatiivity seem to go together so I like to read beadwork or art mags if Im at that SB place or failing that, sipping my first liquid brains in the morning as I work online.
LN PS..for me Murder and Chocolate anything go together.

set. 5, 2008, 6:27 pm

#45 - AAAHHH! I see, so maybe it is not my imagination that my coffee tasted better (I have good water though).

#46 - I do put cinn. in my coffee sometimes, using both methods. I have heard of the egg shells but have never tried it. AND the ginger van. ice cream thing sounds GREAT!

Anyone ever tried nutmeg sprinkled in coffee, it is great!

I haven't thought of certain books going with certain coffees, I will have to think about that.

set. 8, 2008, 7:39 pm

I do like nutmeg in my coffee, esepcially during cool months of the year. I love French Vanilla ice cream in my coffee, too, but have never eaten ginger vanilla--it sounds wonderful.

set. 11, 2008, 10:59 pm

Has anyone here tried cardamon in your coffee? Just open a pod and drop a few seeds into your cup then pour in the coffee. I've never tried adding the ground spice before I brew coffee, but since that works for cinnamon, it would probably work for cardamon, too.

set. 12, 2008, 9:39 am

HMMM no I haven't! I don't think I even know what Cardamon tastes like????? Is it just spicey or what? I guess I could just smell it.
I think I have some in my cupboard, if I do I will try it this weekend.

set. 12, 2008, 12:04 pm

Cardamom has a very specific sweetish aromatic taste - the kind of taste group cinnamon and nutmeg are in, but then its own taste. Very nice in rice pudding too.

And I also really like ginger in coffee, like the Indonesians do.

I'll try the nutmeg sometime.

set. 12, 2008, 1:00 pm

Oh cool! about the Cardamon. I will definitely try it now.

And do try nutmeg, it is great.

set. 17, 2008, 3:49 am

#52 So did you try cardamon, and did you like it?

#51 I've not tried ginger before. Do you use ground ginger? Or the fresh stuff? Or candied ginger? When you say it's the way the Indonesians do it, do they sweeten their coffee or add milk to it in addition to the ginger?

Editat: set. 17, 2008, 9:34 am

I tried the cardamon thing and enjoyed it. I used 3 cardamon pods, cracked them between my fingers and added them to the ground coffee in a single cup french press.

Tasted like a mild cup of Turkish coffee.

set. 17, 2008, 11:34 am

I have not yet tried the cardamon, I did not have any in my cupboard (I thought I did) but I will buy some and let you know when I do.

A couple others, more on the normal side, are orange and almond. I really like almond flavoring in my coffee, sweet, you don't need sugar.

Does anyone here make their own cappuccino? My mother bought a stove top cappuccino maker and made me some when I was visiting her and it was really good! I am thinking of asking my husband for one for Christmas. I can't remember the name of the brand... moo something LOL

set. 26, 2008, 8:48 am

I'd like to try the ginger coffee--do you simply put a sliver of ginger in the coffee, or a pinch of the powdered kind?

It is rainy here today, and cool. Which means I will drink more coffee than usual. Does weather influence your desire for coffee?

set. 26, 2008, 10:21 am

I think it does with me. I tend to drink more when it is nasty out, cold, rainy, snowy.
HA! this is NY so that about covers 3/4 of our days here! No wonder why I drink so much coffee. Looking out my window right now it overcast, very cool and about to sprinkle any min.... I think I will go grab a cup!

set. 26, 2008, 10:48 am

Coffee + lemon = eww.

The secret to great iced coffee is the double brew. That way ice cubes don't dilute into tastless crap.

set. 26, 2008, 7:01 pm

#51 Wester -- I and #56, JaaynePupek, are still waiting to hear how you do the ginger.

#58 Bookmarque -- what do you mean by double brew?

And I agree, rainy days are great for 3encouraging more coffee.

set. 26, 2008, 7:16 pm

I also tend to drink coffee when I am bored.
Better than eating!

set. 26, 2008, 11:19 pm

59: I think it means pouring your pot back into the top to run throught the coffee one more time. The Afghani coffee cart guys in NYC do it, I noticed.

set. 27, 2008, 8:45 am

Yep, that's exactly it. Use the brewed coffee in place of water and brew a new batch. You can use new grounds if you want to pack a whallop, the used grounds if you just want a coffee that will stand up to ice.

set. 27, 2008, 10:54 am

CD1am - Hey I found some cardamon!
So this morning I put some on top of the grounds before brewing. It does give a pleasant sweetness to it. Not bad at all.

set. 29, 2008, 10:46 am

There is another way to "double brew" that doesn't over-extract the coffee. One can double the amount of ground coffee while using less water to brew. Once the coffee is finished brewing add a large amount of ice directly into the coffee. The ice will melt, but you have accounted for this by using less liquid in the brewing process. The proportions work out nicely and the coffee comes out fairly well.

You could also brew the coffee (take it off the plate when finished) and let it cool down normally before chilling it. Rapidly cooling coffee does tend to give raise the pH levels of coffee, so this may be more preferable, albiet longer method of making ice coffee.

confessions of a former barista

oct. 23, 2008, 11:44 pm

Arghhhhh!!! I'm visiting family and having a horrible time getting a decent cup of coffee. They think I am ''too fussy" when I don't want to drink old bitter coffee that's been sitting in the coffeepot for several hours or even overnight! It was bad enough that my elderly parents have that attitude, but now I'm visiting my brother and sister-in-law, who are younger than me, and they, too, drink old coffee! What is wrong with these people??? How can I even be related to them?!?!

Help--I need support from people who know what good coffee is...and how undrinkable coffee becomes when you let it stand too long exposed to the air.

oct. 24, 2008, 12:59 pm

I lots of teetotaling relatives who don't drink coffee OR alcohol. I regard the coffee dilemma as a chance to kill two birds with one stone. Escape the loved ones for a bit AND treat yourself to a good cup made by someone else at the joint of your choice.

oct. 24, 2008, 3:07 pm

No coffee or alcohol.

The horror.

The horror.

oct. 24, 2008, 6:40 pm

CD1am - I am so sorry!!!! I do feel your pain.
I, being a huge coffee snob myself, know how important a good cup (or several cups) of coffee is.
My husband and I go out to breakfast every Sat. morning, and I have the diners rated by how good their coffee is! My husband rates them on how good the homefries are. We will actually travel over 1/2 hr. to get a good cup of coffee!

Some people just don't understand this mentality! I try not to associate too much with those people.

nov. 14, 2010, 11:29 am

Interesting question - are tea drinkers more compulsive writers than coffee drinkers? There's always something new over in the tea group while this one seems to spend most of its time in hibernation. Add to this that most of the posts in both seem to come from the US where, I imagine, coffee-nuts far outnumber tea-nuts and it all seems rather odd.

I'm one of those rare souls who's quite fanatical about both tea and coffee, and I've taken to buying loose teas and coffee beans online, just enjoying the search for the best I can find. So I quite enjoy checking out the tea and coffee groups for whatever's new but, as I said, usually with no result over here.

Is it, perhaps, that the coffee fanatics are usually so high on caffeine that they're frantically rushing about getting on with life rather than lazing around browsing LibraryThing?

nov. 28, 2010, 1:40 am

Thats a good question- Im fascinated at why the coffee freaks arent more fanatical about posting than the tea drinkers. I have always thought coffee people to be more intense types.

nov. 28, 2010, 8:11 am

coffee = practical, universally attainable caffeine delivery system
tea = ritual, difficult to obtain in the mainstream caffeine delivery system

des. 4, 2010, 11:30 pm

My mother and I consider ourselves coffee snobs. We buy whole beans and course grind them to use in our french presses. But my son out does us, he grinds his coffee beans in an old fashion hand crank burr coffee grinder. Says there is no better way and he's right. While visiting I tried coffee beans ground in his grinder and it's great. Now I am on the look out for one of mine own. My father and his wife on the other hand keep insisting that instant coffee and tea taste just as good as brewed. Makes me wonder how they brew coffee and tea. While there I just drink Dr Pepper and water.