Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #79

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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #79

1jasbro
Editat: març 28, 2018, 6:45 pm

ETA: There are two #77s, but no #78

THIS THREAD is for LibraryThing Members, and especially for “beginners,” to ask help and learn about combining and separating specific LibraryThing Works.
-- If a book is combined with other, very different books.
-- If a book won’t combine with others just like it.
-- If problems with any Work are overwhelming, or maybe you just don’t have time.

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WHEN YOU POST:
-- Please give Titles, Authors, hyperlinks, and other information that will help.
-- If you post multiple requests at once, please number each group. Examples:

“Please combine:
#1: The Story of the Life of You
http://www.librarything.com/work/AAAAAAAA
http://www.librarything.com/work/BBBBBBBB
#2: The Story of the Life of Everyone Else
http://www.librarything.com/work/XXXXXXXX
http://www.librarything.com/work/YYYYYYYY
http://www.librarything.com/work/ZZZZZZZZ


-- Ask about sets of Works or Series pages, ask for opinions, or ask for help with specific languages, subjects, etc.; but please be brief.
-- Please do not give Search pages, Author pages, or groups of “possibles,” unless you have a specific question.
-- “Someone will be with you shortly.” Most requests are handled by our fellow LibraryThing Members, not by staff.
-- If you add to a post, please use “ETA:” or “EDIT:” to show what’s new.
-- Please note when a request is “DONE.”

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NOTES:
-- If two works have more than 200 records each, LibraryThing staff may need to do the combining. Please post these requests to: http://www.librarything.com/topic/95602 .
-- For information and discussion, but not problems, please see the Combiner’s Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164 .
-- For the related wiki page, please see: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining .
-- Please note Tim’s Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for Contacting Members about Book Records at http://www.librarything.com/topic/30795#469616 ; if you contact another Member, please use Private Comment.
-- When this thread reaches 200 posts, please do not post here but start a new Thread. Threads under 200 posts load faster and are easier to navigate. Please copy these notes as post #1 of the new thread. Thank you.

2portgerm
març 28, 2018, 10:33 pm

Please combine the following 2 books by the same author, Mary Lide.

The USA edition with title ‘A Royal Quest’ was published by Warner Books in 1987. ISBN 0446513628

The UK edition with title ‘Hawks of Sedgemont’ was published by Sphere Books in 1988. ISBN 0722155611

The books differ only in title, publisher and ISBN.

https://www.librarything.com/work/863078
https://www.librarything.com/work/861999

Thanks.

3europhile
març 28, 2018, 11:57 pm

4Schmerguls
març 29, 2018, 12:52 pm

I read James Webb's novel Lost Soldiers but the page for James Webb:

https://www.librarything.com/author/webbjames

lists a number of authors named james Webb but not the one who wrote Lost Soldiers and these other books:

3414. Fields of Fire a Novel by James Webb (read 5 Mar 2001)
3422. A Sense of Honor, by James Webb (read 20 Mar 2001)
3903. The Emperor's General A Novel by James Webb (read 25 Jun 2004)

He must be some place. How can I find him? He should be on the page for James Webb, shouldn't he?

52wonderY
març 29, 2018, 1:01 pm

>He's listed here with a middle initial

https://www.librarything.com/author/webbjamesh

6Schmerguls
març 29, 2018, 2:26 pm

Thank you, 2wonderY. It is odd that should be the case since on all four books I read he is listed on the title page as "James Webb" and as can be seen on the book cover pages that is the way he is listed on the covers. Shouldn't some thing be done to show that James H. Webb lists himself as James Webb in the books he wrote?

72wonderY
març 29, 2018, 2:34 pm

Yes, that struck me as peculiar too.
Someone would have needed to add the books as just James Webb for them to show on the general page. Then he would have been assigned a disambig number and aliased into the other page.

I see no tracks of that happening. Perhaps the library sources for import have the titles with his middle initial included.

8.Monkey.
març 29, 2018, 2:46 pm

>7 2wonderY: As >4 Schmerguls: said, they do have him in their catalog as "James Webb" with no initial...

9SimoneA
Editat: març 29, 2018, 3:37 pm

It looks like someone edited the primary author to include the middle initial, moving them to that page. If this is incorrect, they can be reset to James Webb. I've done that for Fields of Fire and Born Fighting as an example. I assigned those two books to James Webb 3 and aliased him to James H. Webb. If I can help further, I'd be happy to.

10PhaedraB
març 29, 2018, 7:25 pm

>9 SimoneA: Some people will do that to move a name off a split author page, but as you can see, it only works until another book is cataloged.

11Schmerguls
Editat: març 29, 2018, 10:26 pm

I entered the four books that I have read using James Webb as the author since that is the way the actual books listed him. I would hope that there would be something done so that when one sought to see the books James Webb has authored one could see them. I don't know how to do that but some wise folk I am sure do know how to do that.

12superboy
Editat: març 30, 2018, 2:24 am

I have been entering books in the Tintin series by scanning the ISBN barcode via the LT app and am having trouble with number 13 The Seven Crystal Balls. For some reason, it has been combined with The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone. I have added my book to the series and uncombined as many works of the Tintin from the Amazon as I can find, but number 13 still shows up twice, listed as both works.

The link to the page my copy is on is https://www.librarything.com/work/14149512 which seems to be the problem. I'm not sure what else to do to separate them. Can someone help please?

I hope what I've done so far is alright.

ETA: my ISBN is actually 1405206241

ETA 2: there seems to be one Amazon book right at the end of the list with the same ISBN.

13MarthaJeanne
Editat: març 30, 2018, 2:42 am

>12 superboy: Your copy seems to be correctly combined now.

There is combining to be done in editions by some one working on a bigger screen. The disambibuation notice seems to have been ignored at some point.

14europhile
març 30, 2018, 2:40 am

>12 superboy: Done. The problem was a duplicate ISBN on one copy (as you have noted) but the series listing for Tintin was also on both works.

15superboy
març 30, 2018, 3:09 am

Thank you!

16jasbro
Editat: març 31, 2018, 2:33 pm

>7 2wonderY:, >8 .Monkey.:, >9 SimoneA:, >10 PhaedraB:, >11 Schmerguls: It looks like the Author of Fields of Fire, Born Fighting, The Emperor's General, A Sense of Honor: A Novel, Lost Soldiers, Something to Die For, and I Heard My Country Calling: A Memoir now appears as James Webb (1), aliased into James H. Webb, among the divisions on that Author Disambiguation Page, but as "James Webb 3)" in the Disambiguation Notice at the bottom of the page. I'm not familiar with any of these Authors or their Works. Can one of you please clarify or correct the division and the Disambiguation Notice?

17.Monkey.
març 30, 2018, 3:35 pm

>16 jasbro: Seems like the works under James Webb have been shifted around a bit over time, earlier there wasn't a #1, now there's not a #3, so I just switched it in the disambig.

18Schmerguls
Editat: març 30, 2018, 4:33 pm

Well, that is better and I thank all who have worked on it. However, when I seek to see what I have read by James Webb it only shows three books and does not show The Emperor's General which is the fourth book by James Webb I have read. I consider james Webb quite a prominent person, he having served a term as a United States Senator from Virginia and sought the Democratic nomination for President in 2016--and if we had only nominated him he would be president today and we would not have to suffer the antics of the present holder of that office.
Anyway we can get James Webb to be shown as the author of the books listed in Jasbro's post #16 above?

19.Monkey.
Editat: març 30, 2018, 4:56 pm

>18 Schmerguls: I don't know what you're looking at, but he is shown as the author of them.

Comparing James H Webb with James Webb 1, https://www.librarything.com/work/4896257 apparently isn't showing on James Webb 1 because the author on that one is listed as Jim Webb. I don't know why https://www.librarything.com/work/407231 isn't showing on the James Webb 1 list though.

20Collectorator
març 30, 2018, 5:21 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

21Schmerguls
març 31, 2018, 10:40 am

Sorry.

22davidgn
abr. 1, 2018, 1:10 am

https://www.librarything.com/author/campoyalmafloradafis
These books need to be other-authored to the individual authors and a disambiguation notice placed.

23Collectorator
abr. 1, 2018, 2:08 am

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

24davidgn
Editat: abr. 1, 2018, 4:30 am

>23 Collectorator: Fine, fixed.
====================

New issue. Someone combined a few of the little obscure variants for Rumi with his translator Coleman Barks. In the course of rolling up dozens of these variants, I managed to hit that one, combining them all with Barks. I tried to roll up the rest of the Rumi variants into a second ball of several dozen, only to hit a second combined variant, so those are all now combined with Barks as well.

https://www.librarything.com/author/barkscoleman

The good news: they're no longer separate.
The bad news: they'll all need to be separated from Barks one by one and recombined with one another.

(Incidentally: while they're all stuck together, it might make sense for anyone with the requisite languages (or research skills and patience) to take advantage of the situation to do some work combining.)

I'm going to bed. If people want to work on this, fine. Otherwise I'll try to fix it sometime tomorrow.

25davidgn
Editat: abr. 1, 2018, 6:13 pm

So, one of the mines I hit was https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=barkscoleman&page=alias -- this old alias to https://www.librarything.com/author/jalalaldinrumimaulan which still includes Coleman Barks (1), even though Coleman Barks is no longer a split author. Any way to fix this, or am I going to have to somehow other-author all the books in https://www.librarything.com/author/jalalaldinrumimaulan to get them out of that name variant?

26Collectorator
abr. 1, 2018, 6:43 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

27davidgn
Editat: abr. 1, 2018, 6:51 pm

That was my thinking, but I tried splitting Coleman Barks again, and it won't split...

28Collectorator
abr. 1, 2018, 6:54 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

29Collectorator
abr. 1, 2018, 6:57 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

30davidgn
abr. 1, 2018, 7:09 pm

>29 Collectorator: Nice catch, thanks. Fixed.

31portgerm
abr. 2, 2018, 12:53 am

These 2 books by Natasha Peters: 'The Masquers' and 'Splendid Torment' are different printings of the same book.

The Masquers:
https://www.librarything.com/work/4085175

Splendid Torment
https://www.librarything.com/work/5018766

The first printing Sept 1979 by Ace Books was entitled 'The Masquers'. The second printing October 1981 by Ace Books was entitled 'Splendid Torment'.
The book content differs only in print date and title.

Could they be combined?

Thanks

32.Monkey.
abr. 2, 2018, 2:42 am

33mene
abr. 3, 2018, 3:46 pm

This book: https://www.librarything.nl/work/15571558 is the same as this book: https://www.librarything.nl/work/21665370/summary/154590145 (just a different language), but I can't find them on the author's page... Can someone combine them?

34jasbro
abr. 4, 2018, 1:09 pm

>33 mene: Done.

35mene
abr. 4, 2018, 3:01 pm

Thank you :)

36MarthaJeanne
abr. 7, 2018, 12:49 pm

If someone needs a project, http://www.librarything.com/work/576186 needs to be taken apart. The 2 volume set and Vol. 1 seem to have been combined.

37scott_beeler
abr. 9, 2018, 11:47 am

>36 MarthaJeanne: Should be cleaned up now.

38MarthaJeanne
abr. 9, 2018, 12:24 pm

Thank you.

40Taphophile13
abr. 11, 2018, 3:20 pm

>39 thornton37814: Done via Workbench.

41Lyndatrue
abr. 11, 2018, 7:31 pm

This is more fixing than I'm able to figure out. Modesty Blaise is a book that I have only vague knowledge of, and I thought I'd do a bit of clean up on the author. The joke's on me, since it's more complicated than any sensible person would expect. Perusing "On this day" (and being so happy to have it back), I noticed this in the born today column:

"1920 Madeleine Brent, author of Modesty Blaise"

I clicked on Madeleine, and it took me straightaway to this page:

http://www.librarything.com/author/brentmadeleine

It's got all the appropriate links you might expect for Peter O'Donnell (Ms. Brent was a pseudonym, turns out), but not the books you'd expect for Madeleine Brent. Nope. Those are ALL under a separate profile...for Peter O'Donnell.

http://www.librarything.com/author/odonnellpeter

The Encyclopedia Britannica entry (on the Madeleine profile) suggests that he never used the pseudonym to write Modesty Blaise, but did write many other items. I dunno. I'm just flat confused, and I give up. I think both profiles should be combined, with a healthy disambiguation that lets people know the there *is* no Madeleine Brent, other than as a pseudonym, and that all those books belong to Peter O'Donnell.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Peter-ODonnell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O'Donnell#Bibliography

My brain is full.

42MarthaJeanne
Editat: abr. 12, 2018, 1:49 am

>41 Lyndatrue: Someone saved the Peter O'Donnell page yesterday with 'Keep undivided'. It needs to be resplit.

Hmmm. It's possible that there are no longer any other Peter O'Donnell s in there. There were in the past (http://www.librarything.com/work/12242333/editions)

I started the division, but only the first few books and those with Modesty Blaise in the title. There is definitely combining work to do in there as well.

43Maddz
Editat: abr. 12, 2018, 4:07 am

If it helps, this site seems to be fairly definitive on the split between the two:

http://www.modestyblaiseltd.com/

Unfortunately, no full bibliography seems to be available there, but there seems to be one on O'Donnell's Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_O%27Donnell

The list of Modesty Blaise novels agrees with this site:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/jim.pattison/modesty/mbbiblio.htm

There are also various graphic novels of the strips (I only have some of the novels) which I don't see a listing for.

44MarthaJeanne
abr. 12, 2018, 4:05 am

We don't diferentiate between the various names an author uses, but rather between different authors using the same name.

45Maddz
abr. 12, 2018, 4:16 am

The Modesty Blaise wikipedia page seems to be rather good on the strip reprints:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modesty_Blaise

I think the main issue is going to be keeping the novels distinct from the strips - possibly as two separate series with the strip reprints also allocated to publisher series? Titan Books did 2 series, and there seem to be other publishers involved.

46MonaHanna
abr. 13, 2018, 4:31 am

Please separate these two books:

High Witch Next Generation (Generations Book 1)
https://www.librarything.com/work/16560383/book/119228725
(pink cover)

High Witch Next Generation (Generations Book 2)
https://www.librarything.com/work/16560383/book/154884084
(blue cover)

I just added Book 2 today.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Mona

47.Monkey.
Editat: abr. 13, 2018, 6:20 am

>46 MonaHanna: I separated out #2.

48MonaHanna
Editat: abr. 13, 2018, 7:42 am

Please combine these two books.

High Witch Next Generation (Generations Book 2)
https://www.librarything.com/work/21705783

https://www.librarything.com/work/21705704

I created a giveaway for this book and somehow created a separate edition I can't edit.

Thanks, Mona

49Jarandel
abr. 13, 2018, 8:17 am

50.Monkey.
abr. 14, 2018, 4:09 pm

>48 MonaHanna: The problem is your "High Witch Next Generation" books don't have unique names, and the system ignores what's in parenthesis, so it's going to keep automatically combining them with the wrong one whenever they're added.

51blueviolent
abr. 15, 2018, 4:30 am

I'm not even sure if this is a combiners issue, but I received the book The Strange and Deadly Portraits of Bryony Gray from early reviewers and when I used the 'books you've won' page link to add it to my library, it wasn't registering as added (or registering my review) and I ended up adding it from several different links trying to get it to work. So, I asked about that in early reviewers group and they sorted it out so my ER review was registered, but now I am showing four different 'editions' listed on my 'Your books' page and I don't want to delete any of them because I don't want to lose my registered review for ER. All of them seem to have the exact same metadata, so I don't think they actually are different editions. Here are the editions I'm showing on my page (the first link is the one which says "reviewed" in the Review form, the rest say "not reviewed" even though my review actually does show up on those pages):

http://www.librarything.com/work/20912457/book/154569899
http://www.librarything.com/work/20912457/book/154546506
http://www.librarything.com/work/20912457/book/154546503
http://www.librarything.com/work/20912457/book/154546463
http://www.librarything.com/work/20912457/book/152108714

52.Monkey.
abr. 15, 2018, 9:20 am

>51 blueviolent: You can see from the first number in all of them they are all the same work. Delete the books in your catalog that do not have the review. Your review shows up on the page for all of them because they are all the same work page.
For future reference, things are pretty much never solved by deleting/readding things. When you have an issue, just post in the appropriate place and it's quite likely to be quickly resolved.

53PhaedraB
abr. 15, 2018, 12:12 pm

>51 blueviolent: As a result of the Great LT Downtime of 2018 (otherwise known as "last weekend") the site has not been indexing for search. In other words, anything you've entered since last weekend is not going to show up pretty much anywhere until Tim et. al has decided that the site is ready for indexing again. I entered a book via the app on Friday night, and it hasn't shown up anywhere yet. So, patience is advised.

54guurtjesboekenkast
Editat: abr. 17, 2018, 6:44 pm

Aquest missatge ha estat suprimit pel seu autor.

55jasbro
abr. 20, 2018, 11:50 am

Maybe curiosity as much as anything, but ... Garret Freymann-Weyr's My Heartbeat and Nikolai Berdyaev's Solitude and Society are each proposed as "potential work combinations" for the other. Ordinarily, there are shared ISBNs, cover images, titles, authors or other distinctive characteristics that prompt LT to offer such relationships, unseemly as they may be, but I don't see any of those here. Hence, I can't tell whether there's something involved that might be fixable, in order to encourage more connections among actually appropriate potentials. Your thoughts are welcome.

56MissWatson
abr. 22, 2018, 9:23 am

I notice that one of Simenon's non-Maigret books has been combined into Chez les Flamands: http://www.librarything.com/work/952768/editions/155211972
Le clan des Ostendais is definitely not identical with Chez les Flamands, it was published in 1947 and is set in La Rochelle in 1940, whereas the other is an early Maigret first published in 1932. I am wary of touching the disambiguation notice...

57Jarandel
abr. 22, 2018, 12:34 pm

>56 MissWatson: Separated, disambiguation notice slightly modified to remove the part that mentioned Le Clan des Ostendais as an alternative title to Chez les Flamands.

58MissWatson
abr. 23, 2018, 4:29 am

>57 Jarandel: Thank you so much!

59shadrach_anki
abr. 24, 2018, 10:25 am

I have an unabridged audiobook version of David Copperfield from Audible that is not combined with the main work.

Audiobook: https://www.librarything.com/work/18069241/

Main work: https://www.librarything.com/work/7489

Could someone combine them, unless there is a specific reason why they should not be combined?

60jasbro
abr. 25, 2018, 10:57 am

61shadrach_anki
abr. 25, 2018, 1:36 pm

>60 jasbro: Yay! Thank you!

62vancouverdeb
maig 8, 2018, 5:31 am

Hi ! I'm uncertain of how to combine these two works . They are both the same, but the original British Title is The Hoarder, whereas in Canada, the same book goes by Mr. Flood Last Resort. They are both by Jess Kidd.

Thanks in advance for combining them. I believe the title in the UK where the book originated is The Hoarder

Mr. Flood Last Resort

https://www.librarything.com/work/20882166/book/155733931

The Hoarder by Jess Kidd
https://www.librarything.com/work/20702607

632wonderY
maig 8, 2018, 7:28 am

>62 vancouverdeb: Done. And I think I'll try it myself.

64vancouverdeb
maig 10, 2018, 10:19 am

>63 2wonderY: Thanks so much! I'm looking for to read it myself.

65Lyndatrue
maig 11, 2018, 1:38 pm

Looking for a little relief from the issues of the data loss in August? Here's something I'm unwilling to tackle, because my brain hurts, and I don't trust my old fingers to not click on the wrong things...

Of late, I've been adding a few of my very old paperbacks, and then slowly clicking through all the cover choices presented in "About you" (because I'm compulsive, and can't help it). Today, I added Pascal's Pensees (no touchstone on purpose), and was surprised to see that W. F. Trotter had apparently written some of the works. Okay, we know he didn't, but he certainly gets credit for a couple of them.

First off, go right ahead and abuse me for adding a canonical name to poor William F. Trotter, because I did (and I am ashamed, and yet unwilling to remove it).

http://www.librarything.com/author/trotterwf

I am absolutely positive that he wrote zero of the books he's listed as primary author for. I am also astonished at the number of PDFs out there in the world which specifically mention the E.P. Dutton version of Pascal's Pensees (that I just added today). Sorry, I tend to ramble.

Mr. Trotter was even given a brief nod here, in Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pens%C3%A9es

66Peace2
maig 12, 2018, 2:02 pm

I'm hoping someone can help me - I've just added a new book. As the barcode was not recognised when I scanned it and the ISBN didn't bring anything up, I've added the book manually. The book, the English translation of Black Butler Volume 25, then matched up with other books already entered, so it now shows in my copy with the correct cover which is great. However, it is showing up as the first in the series not the 25th and is telling me that I have 2 copies (which I don't - I have one copy of volume 1 and 1 of volume 25) - link to edition of book http://www.librarything.com/work/5233883/editions/155928280. I took a look at the editions and while I can see a number of 25s in the list, as I can't find a copy with my ISBN - 978-0-316-48011-6 (the only one I'd feel confident I could be accurate in changing - although the temptation would be there to separate others that also were listed as 25 or the ones that appear to be combination of titles), I'm not sure how to proceed to ensure that mine shows up as number 25. This also means that as I read down the list of reviews, some of them refer to volume 25 but many refer to volume 1.

Can anyone offer me a suggestion of how to safely proceed or assist me in doing so?

67MarthaJeanne
Editat: maig 12, 2018, 2:41 pm

>66 Peace2: I think someone else has also been working on this. Anyway, I found your copy, and it is fixed along with several other problems.

It's worth remembering that the editions page shows 10 digit ISBNs, not 13. So the 978 is missing, and the final digit is usually different. 0316480118 is therefore the same as 978-0-316-48011-6.

68Peace2
maig 12, 2018, 3:23 pm

>67 MarthaJeanne: Thanks for that - I was looking for a ten digit one but ending the same as the 13 - so wouldn't have found it! I'm always worried that I'm going to make matters worse rather than better so tend to post here as 'erring on the side of caution' rather than taking the risk, unless I'm certain I can fix it correctly.

69MarthaJeanne
maig 12, 2018, 4:44 pm

>68 Peace2: The last digit in each case is a check digit. It is worked out from the others by an equation. Because they are different equations, they usually get different results. The point of this is that a computer can quickly tell if an ISBN is possible or not.

70WeeTurtle
maig 16, 2018, 4:04 am

Not sure where I go with this. Found it in the cover flagging vote page, with the picture flagged as 'not a cover.' It looks to me like what was supposed to be an author page but added as a book. I don't see such a work in Richler's bio, but I'm not totally up on the guy.

Richler Mordecai

I looked up "Mordecai Richler" and there see to be a whole pile of author pages with that name (60+). Haven't looked through them though.

I saw this same thing (reverse name work, regular name author) with another person but I don't recall the name. Also in the cover flagging vote list as a portrait under "not a cover."

71MarthaJeanne
maig 16, 2018, 4:30 am

>70 WeeTurtle: Yes, there is someone who does this, and went private when people objected. Nothing we can do.

72AndreasJ
maig 16, 2018, 12:37 pm

Tangentially, the voting options on cover flagging always throw me for a loop. Does "Yes" mean "Yes, this isn't a cover", or "yes it is a cover!"?

73Lyndatrue
Editat: maig 16, 2018, 12:43 pm

>72 AndreasJ: "Yes" means that you agree with the originator of the flagging. In this case, although it hurts my brain if it's too early in the morning, yes means that it isn't a cover (or isn't applicable, or whatever else it's been flagged for).

74mene
maig 19, 2018, 1:31 pm

This is volume 1: https://www.librarything.com/work/21666631/details/154599600
And this is volume 2: https://www.librarything.com/work/21666631/details/156127917
But I can't get the numbers in the series correct... https://www.librarything.com/series/Little+Witch+Academia
I already tried separating them, but still the series number is changing for both.
Or do I have to wait a day before that will work allright?

75MarthaJeanne
Editat: maig 19, 2018, 1:41 pm

They seem to be separated now. Volume 2 is now http://www.librarything.com/work/21832270/editions/156127917 You can add the series information to that work.

Sometimes things take a bit of time, but it is also possible that you were using an old link. You can create a link with any work number and book number that will look very confusing.

76mene
juny 2, 2018, 4:55 pm

On the author page of Cok Grashoff https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=grashoffcok, there is the following book:

Floortje by Cok Grashoff (16 copies; go to work)

Floortje / C. Grashoff (separate)
Floortje / Cok Grashoff / (ISBN 9020671561) (separate)
Floortje / Cok Grashoff / (ISBN 9020672312) / (separate)
Floortje / Cok Grashoff / (ISBN 9020672312) (separate)
Floortje / Cok Grashoff (separate)
Floortje Bellefleur / Cok Grashof / (ISBN 9020670484) / (separate)
Floortje Bellefleur / Cok Grashoff / (ISBN 9020670484) (separate)
Floortje Bellefleur / Cok Grashoff / (separate)

In the 1970s/1980s, this series was published as "Floortje Bellefleur" and the first book in the series is called "Floortje Bellefleur".
In the 1990s and later, a few books of this series were re-published as "Floortje", but many new books have been written and the series are quite different.
So in the above list, the first book "Floortje" should be separate from "Floortje Bellefleur", but then the top 5 and bottom 3 books should be combined again...
How can I do that?

77Jarandel
Editat: juny 2, 2018, 6:18 pm

>76 mene: Add the work to your workbench (right hand column on the work page), hit the "Combine works" link in the window that just opened, hit the small "separate" for each of the entries you want to pull apart, then follow the "Separate these editions" link toward the top of the page after checking the entries you selected are the ones you wanted.

78Marissa_Doyle
juny 2, 2018, 7:44 pm

Wah. I'm sorting through the tags for Aunt Dimity, and at some point someone combined "Aunt Dimity" with the various permutations of the tags for "Aunt Dimity - fictitious character" ...so when I tried to combine some of those fictitious character tags, the combination request states I'm suggesting they should be combined with plain old "Aunt Dimity". I think I should have gone in and separated "Aunt Dimity" from all the fictitious character entries first, yes? Should I let the combination suggestions I made be throttled, go in and do a separation, and then try combining the various "Aunt Dimity - fictitious character" permutations?

Hope that makes sense. I'm trying...I really am. Sorry about this.

79mene
juny 3, 2018, 6:45 am

Thanks, done :)

80LolaWalser
Editat: juny 6, 2018, 1:26 pm

I wonder if anyone is interested in cleaning up this work--Ezra Pound's The Cantos--a little:

https://www.librarything.com/work/book/107937576

Turns out the New Directions editions contain versions that differ significantly in the amount of work they contain. Based on the two editions I now own (fifth printing from 1948; sixth paperbound printing from 1996), I can say that the version with the ISBN 9780811213264, in addition to the material from the first edition, contains some extra 260 pages with "Section: Rock-Drill De Los Cantares LXXXV-XCV (1955)", "Thrones de los Cantares XCVI-CIX (1959)", "Drafts and Fragments of Cantos CX-CXVII (1960)" and "Fragment (1966)".

Plus, there's an extra canto in a previous section (LXXII, "included for the first time in the thirteenth printing...")

I'm not very handy with separations (it freaks me out when titles just disappear, never to be seen again...) I'd also hate for foreign language versions to remain orphaned; imo they'd better stay with whichever is the larger English-language member set. But, it seems as if SOME separation of the English-language versions is really called for? Given it's not just about the editorial apparatus or notes but author's actual material.

81Schmerguls
Editat: juny 14, 2018, 2:38 pm

Aquest missatge ha estat suprimit pel seu autor.

82Boekenbeestje
juny 21, 2018, 1:35 am

This book

https://www.librarything.com/work/8702316/book/157325051

Crocodile tears by Mark O'Sullivan is merged with the Alex Ryder series by Anthony Horowitz. Is there anyone with some time to spare who could separate this book ? I tried to find a way but sadly could not.

Thanks in advance :)

83scott_beeler
juny 21, 2018, 1:43 am

>82 Boekenbeestje: Should be done now. The Sullivan book is here:
https://www.librarything.com/work/21974866/

...separated from the Horowitz book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/8702316/

84libraian
Editat: juny 25, 2018, 1:00 am

Please can you help me combine https://www.librarything.com/work/19975858/book/144257124 (ISBN 0241014735 / 9780241014738) (101 Tips: Dog Care published by DK) with https://www.librarything.com/work/1705686.

I can't find how to combine them myself. They must be the same book, but somehow when I scanned my copy in, it didn't fall into the group.

Thank you.

85Jarandel
juny 25, 2018, 1:19 am

>84 libraian: Done, it needed to be done through the workbench since with a new-to-Librarything ISBN and no author on your copy there was little chance to trigger the autocombining or the suggested combinations.

86Schmerguls
Editat: juny 25, 2018, 8:47 pm

I added a book today which should be in this author's list but isn't:

https://www.librarything.com/work/5369306

here is the book I added:

https://www.librarything.com/work/22006075/edit/157615642

I'd like to get the book where it belongs. Can anyooe?

87Jarandel
Editat: juny 25, 2018, 9:20 pm

>86 Schmerguls: That book seems to already be with the others, and on the author page.

http://www.librarything.com/work/5369306/157615642

88Schmerguls
juny 26, 2018, 10:32 am

So it is. Thanks for checking for me, Jarandel. I have added the right cover for my page on the book,

89MartenI
juny 27, 2018, 1:31 pm

The Swedish author Agnes Lidbeck has two works for the same book (The correct title is "Finna sig")

1: Finna sig : roman
https://www.librarything.com/work/19325378

2: Finna sig
https://www.librarything.com/work/21992154

Thanks in advance

90Jarandel
juny 27, 2018, 5:02 pm

>89 MartenI: Looks like someone did it.

91libraian
jul. 3, 2018, 3:07 am

>85 Jarandel: Thank you!

92Lyndatrue
jul. 7, 2018, 11:13 am

Please help rescue these errant Harbrace Handbooks. I was adding a bit of information to John Cunyos Hodges, and went off to look at a suggestion to combine author (John Hodges), and noticed that the "Harbrace Handbook for Canadians" had been trapped there. It's beyond my level of expertise to move it.

http://www.librarything.com/author/hodgesjohncunyus

http://www.librarything.com/author/hodgesjohn

I note that the other two entries with John Hodges are probably two different authors as well; I strongly doubt that the same person wrote both "Livestock, Ethics and Quality of Life (Cabi)" and
"Early-Onset Dementia: A Multidisciplinary Approach".

Thanks in advance.

93MarthaJeanne
jul. 7, 2018, 11:26 am

>92 Lyndatrue: I've done the division and aliased two of the three John Hodges to the correct pages.

94MartenI
jul. 16, 2018, 7:54 am

Yes! Thanks to whoever it was.

95avaland
jul. 17, 2018, 8:38 am

The record for "Vox" by Christine Dalcher ISBN 9780440000785 (Not yet published, due 21 Aug 2018) is mixed up with a book called The Alexandria Project, different ISBN. I thought it was my doing but there are other reviews for the Dalcher book on the site. There is also another entry for the Dalcher book with no cover image and just one review. A touchstone seems to go to the latter entry. I was hoping someone who knows what they are doing (which is not me) could straighten the records out.

Thanks in advance.

962wonderY
jul. 17, 2018, 8:49 am

97Maddz
jul. 29, 2018, 9:20 am

If anyone feels up to it, I think the original print edition of Kim Newman's Anno Dracula 1959: Judgement of Tears (https://www.librarything.com/work/48744/summary/158811079, isbn 9780380732296 / 0380732297) should be separated from the reprinted & retitled version, Dracula Cha Cha Cha (https://www.librarything.com/work/48744/summary/121250269 isbn 9780857680853).

The latter version also includes the novella Anno Dracula 1968: Aquarius, and this should be used to set a work-to-work relationship with the novella and the original version.

I believe a similar situation may exist with The Bloody Red Baron.

98scott_beeler
jul. 29, 2018, 1:19 pm

>97 Maddz: It looks like early versions called "Dracula Cha Cha Cha" have only the novel, while probably all of the reprint versions from 2012-2018 have "Aquarius" as well. I do agree the expanded versions should be split out since "Aquarius" is a quite sizeable work on its own, so I've done that now. There are remaining "Dracula Cha Cha Cha" entries still grouped with "Judgment of Tears" because they're the older novel-only ones, or ones which are unclear (no ISBN or other descriptor).

99Maddz
jul. 29, 2018, 1:38 pm

>98 scott_beeler: Thanks. Want to have a go at The Bloody Red Baron as well? ISBN 9780684817446 / 0684817446 is the original hardback version - Anno Dracula 1918 only, whereas the ebook version I have ISBN 9780857680846 also includes Anno Dracula 1923: Vampire Romance.

I'll have a bash at sorting out the series data.

100scott_beeler
jul. 29, 2018, 1:46 pm

>99 Maddz: Yes, I was working on "The Bloody Red Baron" after my earlier post, and it looks like the same thing, as you say -- the reprints include the fairly large new novella "Vampire Romance". I have made the same type of split. I added series info for them as I did it, but if there are things to clean up, please do.

"Anno Dracula" itself could potentially be split up as well -- it looks like the 2011-and-on reprints have extended material (~100 pages) as well but it's not a single new novella, it's a whole bunch of behind-the-scenes essays and such by Newman.

101Maddz
jul. 29, 2018, 2:09 pm

Just add to the mess, the ebook of Johnny Alucard (Anno Dracula 1976-1991), ISBN 9780857680860, comprises the following (not all of which are separate entries in the series):

Promises to Keep (Anno Dracula 1941)
Coppola's Dracula (Anno Dracula 1976-1977)
Castle in the Desert (Anno Dracula 1977)
Andy Warhol's Dracula (Anno Dracula 1978-1979)
Who Dares Wins (Anno Dracula 1980)
The Other Side of Midnight (Anno Dracula 1981)
You Are The Wind Beneath My Wings (Anno Dracula 1986)
You'll Never Drink Blood In This Town Again (Anno Dracula 1990)
Miss Baltimore Crabs (Anno Dracula 1990)
A Concert For Transylvania (Anno Dracula 1990)
Dr Pretorius and Mr Hyde (Anno Dracula 1991)
Charles Angel's (Anno Dracula 1991)

One Thousand Monsters, print ISBN 9781781165638 eISBN 9781781165645 appears to be a complete story set 1899-1900.

102Maddz
Editat: jul. 29, 2018, 2:34 pm

>100 scott_beeler: The print edition I have is ISBN 9780671715915 / 0671715917, and the ebook reprint I have is ISBN 9780857685339.

The annotations section in the reprint is greatly expanded, and the reprint also includes the following section, ---Dig Deeper into Anno Dracula:
-Alternate ending to Anno Dracula (from The Mammoth Book of Vampires)
-Extracts from Anno Dracula The Movie
-Drac the Ripper
-Dead Travel Fast (which is a separate novella/short story)

Part of the reason for this is that I am in the process of clearing out work duplicates where I have both the print and the ebook, and I spotted the variant titles on Dracula Cha Cha Cha / Judgement of Tears, and checked the contents. Sigh, and I'm supposed to be logging my partner's books - which include several large door-stop anthologies.

103scott_beeler
jul. 29, 2018, 2:30 pm

>101 Maddz: I haven't read "Johnny Alucard" or "One Thousand Monsters", but if they're reprinting stories it seems like you could just treat those like story collections by using Work Relationships to say they include "Andy Warhol's Dracula" and so on (some probably don't have separate entries, but no big deal). If they're heavily edited to put together into a new novel that gets more awkward.

104Maddz
Editat: jul. 29, 2018, 2:40 pm

>103 scott_beeler: I don't know how heavily edited they are - I don't think I have the original print appearances, just the ebook version of the fix-up. The original novellas in Johnny Alucard were Coppola's Dracula, Andy Warhol's Dracula, The Other Side of Midnight, Castle in the Desert, and You Are The Wind Beneath My Wings. The last has not been entered as a separate story.

105scott_beeler
jul. 29, 2018, 5:28 pm

>102 Maddz: OK, I've now separated out the "Anno Dracula" editions with the extensive added material, and I cleaned up a last little bit on the series page. I think things look pretty well organized now.

106Maddz
jul. 29, 2018, 6:30 pm

>105 scott_beeler: Thanks for doing this!

107Maddz
Editat: jul. 31, 2018, 4:30 pm

Another problem: David Weber's book Bolo! (ISBN 0743498720) has got (auto-)combined with Bolo: Annals of the Dinochrome Brigade and I can't find the edition to separate it. I found and separated the 0-copy version, but not the version I have. I suspect it's the Bolo! by Keith Laumer (3 copies) with no ISBN.

If someone can oblige, I'd be grateful.

(UPDATE) Nevermind, it was lag. However, the 3-copy edition in the Keith Laumer Bolo: Annals still needs looking at - I suspect it's actually the Weber book.

108jasbro
Editat: jul. 31, 2018, 5:16 pm

>107 Maddz: I've separated the 3-copy Bolo! (Keith Laumer Bolos) to http://www.librarything.com/work/22147181/covers, where it appears to use both the Bolo: Annals of the Dinochrome Brigade cover from Keith Laumer's Book 14 in the Series and the Bolo! cover of David Weber's Book 11 in the Series. Similarly, the 0-copy Bolo! (Bolo series Book 14), incorrectly links the Book 14 title with the Book 11 author; see http://www.librarything.com/work/22147077/editions. Given that the three-copy and zero-copy records clearly aren't distinguishable from each other, nor are they attributable to either Book 11 or Book 14, I can only suggest either contacting the respective LT Members privately to ask clarification, or leaving them separated. Otherwise, we risk conflating the two more, again and further later on.

Is that clear as mud?

109Maddz
jul. 31, 2018, 5:25 pm

>108 jasbro: Re the book 11/14, it depends on which series list you're looking at. I've seen the Weber Bolo! listed as both in different places. (The same seems to have happened with the John Ringo/Linda Evans work The Road to Damascus.) I'm still none the wiser and frankly I'm not that interested in the books so I doubt I'll bother getting to the bottom of the different numbering. (Wikipedia isn't exactly helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_universe so I suppose the best thing is to number the series by publication order - and Bolo! is #13...)

But thanks for doing this, I think we'll have to leave the Laumer Bolo! works separated for now...

110Maddz
Editat: ag. 1, 2018, 1:16 am

>108 jasbro: Heard back from 2 - one has only the David Weber book, the other has both books. I've asked both to check their records to ensure main author and cover is correctly assigned (and the works are correctly separated). Then I think it's a majorities game.

Incidentally, I may be responsible for the 0-copy record - I edited my copy to the correct main author.

112Jarandel
ag. 1, 2018, 12:54 pm

113SaintSunniva
ag. 1, 2018, 2:36 pm

If possible, would someone please make this series page show the cover images.
http://www.librarything.com/series/True+Adventure+Library

I have all five books in the series, but only two of the covers are showing; the other three are LT-provided covers. These are the three books whose covers are not shown (I very recently added their covers, btw)

http://www.librarything.com/work/2274753
http://www.librarything.com/work/10320149
http://www.librarything.com/work/2954265

Thanks so much!

1142wonderY
ag. 1, 2018, 2:43 pm

>113 SaintSunniva: Done. All you have to do is "recalculate covers" at the lower right side.

115SaintSunniva
ag. 1, 2018, 3:49 pm

>114 2wonderY: Ah!!! Thanks! I finally (after 10 years on LT) learned to recalculate authors a couple of weeks ago. Now for the covers.

116jasbro
Editat: ag. 1, 2018, 4:33 pm

>115 SaintSunniva: I presume you're recalculating Authors from their respective Author pages. Did you know we can also recalculate Title/Author of any given Work from most Work pages, and its Editions from the Work's Editions page? (The latter is a little two-step process, which I think of as "There-and-Back-Again.")

117al.vick
ag. 2, 2018, 10:22 am

There appear to be two works of Voyager by Diana Gabaldon. There are too many copies for me to combine.

https://www.librarything.com/work/21998933
https://www.librarything.com/work/1926641

118jasbro
ag. 2, 2018, 1:35 pm

119SaintSunniva
ag. 3, 2018, 10:09 am

The Recalculating I've done is on the Works page. Other authors. A list comes up...that way I can make sure the illustrators (my particular "thing") get credited properly.

120SaintSunniva
ag. 10, 2018, 9:48 pm

Could someone tidy this up? On this Author Page, one title (Daniel Boone) has (author, author, author) after it.

http://www.librarything.com/author/averillestherholden

Could someone get rid of that?

Thank you.

121europhile
ag. 10, 2018, 11:26 pm

123MarthaJeanne
ag. 14, 2018, 11:19 am

124helsztynski
ag. 14, 2018, 11:56 am

Thank you once again. I would be grateful if someone could also combine those two:

https://www.librarything.com/work/22195971/

and

https://www.librarything.com/work/1907

125Jarandel
ag. 14, 2018, 12:17 pm

127Jarandel
ag. 21, 2018, 6:40 pm

>126 masterdeski: Looks like someone did those, I also pulled and redistributed a few that were miscombined in Miniatures.

128perennialreader
ag. 23, 2018, 9:37 am

I think these need to be combined. I am not computer savey enough to know how.

http://www.librarything.com/work/21057332
http://www.librarything.com/work/21681185/book/159534705

129MarthaJeanne
ag. 23, 2018, 9:43 am

130Canadian_Down_Under
ag. 26, 2018, 2:38 am

Please combine:

http://www.librarything.com/work/16312557/editions/159770808
http://www.librarything.com/work/2012793

I would have done it myself but it isn't seeing them as the same book (they are).

Thanks

131Collectorator
ag. 26, 2018, 2:53 am

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

132Canadian_Down_Under
ag. 26, 2018, 4:21 am

Thanks, I’ll try that next time.

133Cecrow
ag. 30, 2018, 10:10 am

Please combine:

https://www.librarything.com/work/21381981
https://www.librarything.com/work/20253905

These are both "The Green Pheonix" by Alice Poon.

1342wonderY
ag. 30, 2018, 10:13 am

135macsbrains
set. 4, 2018, 9:41 pm

Please combine the following:

https://www.librarything.com/work/22268927
https://www.librarything.com/work/22268935
https://www.librarything.com/work/645349

(I tried combining them from my workbench but somethings seems to have gone wrong and it keeps saying "no works." I'm sure there's a reason/solution for this behavior, but that's for me to figure out later.)

136thornton37814
set. 4, 2018, 9:44 pm

138Jarandel
set. 8, 2018, 8:55 pm

139guurtjesboekenkast
set. 8, 2018, 9:36 pm

Thanks

140felius
set. 8, 2018, 11:39 pm

I've been trying to separate "The poems of Adam Lindsay Gordon" (OUP, edited by Frank Maldon Robb) from "The poems of Adam Lindsay Gordon, including several never before printed" (Constable, arranged by Douglas Sladen)
I started trying to do this myself and worry that I've made a mess of things.

I think that these two works (edited by Frank Maldon) should be combined, but I don't get the option:
http://www.librarything.com/work/22280991
http://www.librarything.com/work/9517408

This is the other work that my edition (http://www.librarything.com/work/22280991/details/160208637) was automatically combined with, which is what I've been trying to fix:
http://www.librarything.com/work/3032566

Please help, or point out the error of my ways! I may have left some orphaned editions lying around before I decided to step away from the keyboard slowly.

141bernsad
set. 9, 2018, 6:27 am

>140 felius: If you go to the work page for each of those two, down the right hand side on the Advanced box you have the option of adding the work to the Workbench, once they are both added from their respective pages you will be able to combine them.

142jasbro
Editat: set. 10, 2018, 11:36 am

>140 felius: I'm afraid I don't have enough information to be much help here. I'm unfamiliar with the book or its editions, but there appear to be at least two variants and quite possibly more:Please take a look at these Works, and see whether there's something you can add, particularly in the way of Common Knowledge or Disambiguation Notices.

144Taphophile13
set. 14, 2018, 1:17 pm

145MartenI
Editat: set. 15, 2018, 1:33 pm

I have a Swedish translation of Anna Karenina, which's ISBN (978-91-981492-3-4) leads to this:

https://www.librarything.com/work/20289439/book/148078703

This seems to be wrong, it's not a stage adaption or anything. It should be just another version of the work:

https://www.librarything.com/work/2340

I'm not sure combining is the right solution, since it seems "Anna Karenina (Adapted for the stage by Marina Carr)" could be something else.

EDIT: DONE. Thank you, MarkhaJeanne

146MarthaJeanne
Editat: set. 15, 2018, 1:29 pm

>145 MartenI: I separated the two ISBNs - the other one really does seem to be the adaptation - and combined yours into the main work.

147westandy
set. 17, 2018, 8:32 pm

Hi, this work :

http://www.librarything.com/work/20218925

is attributed to me at :

http://www.librarything.com/author/westandy

but is from a completely different Andy West. Can you disambiguate / remove from my list please? I was going to use the split author page myself, but was confused by why it said 'unknown' on the select menu for all works, plus there is more than 1 Andy West already, and if I allocated him as say 'Andy West (3)', I don't know what happens when there isn't actually an Andy West (3) author home page, which I presume needs creating. Apologies for my lack of knowledge.

Thanks, Andy.

P.S. I also have a number of shared works with Ian Watson, who is listed generically in these works (goes to a disambiguation page), but he is actually Library Thing Ian Watson (1), however I don't have sufficient permission to change him to this - can you accomplish for me on the shared works please? Thanks.

148MarthaJeanne
Editat: set. 18, 2018, 4:28 am

>147 westandy: That author page was not yet split. I have assigned the books I could easily identify as yours to 1) and the book you mention to 2).

You can easily change the attributions yourself, but if you don't want to, please list the titles that need changing.

The books were all listed as unknown, because there was no split yet. If there are several Andy Wests, LT doesn't know which Andy West a books belongs to until someone assigns it. You don't skip numbers in assigning, but the pages are automatically created once books are assigned to them.

149westandy
set. 18, 2018, 5:41 am

Thanks, MarthaJeanne.

I have claimed two more that were mine, there is only 1 work that wasn't by me.

However, now there is another problem. As my author page is now denoted to be westandy-1, all the pages for my works no longer point directly to me, but to the disambiguation page instead, from which folks have to select the real me. Not too difficult, but 1 more click, and for sure an annoyance. So how can we change all my works to point directly to westandy-1 now?

This is the same problem as I have in my 'PS' above. I have some shared works with Ian Watson, and instead of these all linking author name direct to the correct Ian Watson, who is 'Ian Watson (1)' in fact, they point to the Ian Watson disambiguation page. This is more of a problem, because aside from there being 11 Ian Watsons and the shared works with me being outside his normal genre (so not immediately recognisable as his), he has 325 works and one has to click again to see an enormous list and then locate the works. And folks would likely be scanning the whole 11 first before they click this link, because per above these shared works don't look like his usual output.

So in short, how do we alter refs to me from '/author/westandy' to '/author/westandy-1', and ditto for Ian from '/author/wattsian' to '/author/wattsian-1'. Presumably there is a way to do this for when there is absolute knowledge of who the author really is?

Thanks, Andy.

150MarthaJeanne
Editat: set. 18, 2018, 5:54 am

That is just because they were only now divided. It takes a while for all the servers to catch up.

BTW This is not a 'demotion'. This is an improvement because you now have an author page which is really yours instead of one that belongs to all authors named Andy West.

151westandy
set. 18, 2018, 6:41 am

Thanks MarthaJeanne,

I'm more than happy that it's an improvement, if indeed the pointers will be direct once the servers catch up. But... the Ian Watson links have not changed for years, despite my shared works with him are properly in the 'Ian Watson (1)' list, i.e. these works seem to have been correctly divided for his authorship long ago (maybe I even did it myself), yet they still point at the generic Ian Watson page and not at his particular page. Nor do I seem to have any means to change this. If the severs will catch up for my division, what is the issue preventing that happening for his long ago division? Or alternatively, given they never caught up for him, are we sure they will for me?

Thanks for helping out, Andy.

152MarthaJeanne
set. 18, 2018, 11:01 am

I just checked several books on the https://www.librarything.com/author/watsonian-1 page, and they were all working correctly.

153westandy
set. 18, 2018, 11:46 am

Hi MarthaJeanne, all these for which Ian is a shared author with me:

http://www.librarything.com/work/13258810
http://www.librarything.com/work/13258874
http://www.librarything.com/work/13259159
http://www.librarything.com/work/21665858

...reference watsonian (the disambiguation page), and not watsonian-1, the correct page, even though the top 3 have been correctly divided years ago, and are in the list you reference above for watsonian-1.

The bottom one above also references the Andy West disambiguation page, although this new edition title was only added yesterday, so 'catch up' may possibly still be the issue regarding both authors in this particular case.

On some books, where the disambiguation change does seem to have now caught up with the author name / link as given at the very top of the book main page, like these two:

http://www.librarything.com/work/14056978
http://www.librarything.com/work/8282661

...the author listed in the work details is nevertheless still linking to the disambiguation page and not the westandy-1 page. Does something separate have to be done in order to change these subsidiary references?

Some like this one:

http://www.librarything.com/work/3577813

don't seem to have caught up even with the main title yet, although that could likewise be a matter of time still? Clearly though, it is not always just a matter of time. Would appreciate muchly any help on fixing these inconsistencies.

Thanks, Andy.

154jasbro
Editat: set. 18, 2018, 7:03 pm

>153 westandy: Thanks for your input, Andy.

I opened each of the Works listed on your specific Author page, westandy-1. Then, using the link for your name, I managed to navigate directly from each Work page to your specific Author page. So that part looks fixed to me.

I also learned something new about LibraryThing myself, when I looked at Ian's Works that you noted weren't correctly linking to his Author page, watsonian-1. Looking part-way down the Work page for the "Add/edit other authors" applet, each of those Works
  • previously had "Ian Watson" (which links to ianwatson, in turn combined with / links to the common-name "Ian Watson (disambiguation)" page) as a confirmed Author, instead of
  • "Watson, Ian" (which correctly links to watsonian or, in this case, to watsonian-1).
No idea when that attribution was done or who did it; but, once I fixed it, each Works' link for Ian's name leads directly to his specific Author page, bypassing "Ian Watson (disambiguation)".

As an aside to my meddling this afternoon, I have a few questions for you (and Ian):

First, Assassins shows up as Volume 1 of The Waters of Destiny Series; and Assassins' Legacy (Waters of Destiny: 1) shows up as Volume 1 of the Waters of Destiny Series, without "The" in the Series name.
  • Are these the same Work?
  • Should they both be in the same Series?
Second, can you (or Ian) identify the correct "Ian Watson" for any of the fifteen Works that remain "unknown" under Ian Watson (disambiguation)?

Please let us know if you still see something that looks wonky (present company excepted).

155westandy
set. 19, 2018, 5:24 am

Thanks for your help, jasbro.

I can also navigate back to westandy-1 from all works except Assassins' Legacy, which work still goes to the Andy West disambiguation page, but even for all those where this is okay, it does not mean everything is fully fixed. Within all of these works, any mention of Author Andy West in the 'book information' and / or 'work details', still points to the disambiguation page and not to the specific author page, which I think is very confusing indeed for folks. How does one drive the change from a division of author down to all such places of reference?

The Ian Watson instead of Watson Ian is very interesting. However, I'm now completely confused about your mention that the shared works with Ian are now fixed. Even at the main header, for me these all point still to 'watsonian' and not to 'watsonian-1'. It dawned on me that this could be some sort of caching issue, but to my surprise even when I cleared the cache in my browser, this is still the case, i.e. they are definitely not fixed as I see them. Do you have some sort of uber-permission mode that is presenting you a different view? Also, just like for above, all the subsidiary mentions of Author Ian Watson or Author Andy West in the 'book information' and / or 'work details', still go to the relevant disambiguation pages and not to the specific author pages.

The purpose of my trying to get all the author information correct first was to clear the decks before I decided what to do about the series. The three works marked as part of *The* Waters of Destiny, have been around for some years, but are no longer available (I put a note to this effect in the book description field, there doesn't seem to be any more obvious place to mark this pretty useful bit of information). New editions are appearing from a different publisher, of which Assassins' Legacy is the first. However as well as re-titling, this publisher has shuffled things around, so there will be 2 volumes in the current hardback issue for instance, not 3 as before. Hence if 'books' are treated as works, they are not the same works, whereas if 'the series' is what is considered the work, it is the same work albeit in different form. As far as I can see, Librarything seems to treat the books rather than the series as works, but anyhow while I pondered this I thought to get the author information fixed first, and enter the only new volume that is out so far as a different series (hence the missing 'the') while I continued to find out more about the best way to handle this scenario. Your advice appreciated.

I'm afraid I can't help immediately with the 15 works, but I can email Ian on this issue, he lives in Spain these days, and we can at least identify if any of those are his.

156jasbro
Editat: set. 19, 2018, 12:14 pm

>155 westandy: I've confirmed correct Authors for Assassins' Legacy and recalculated both title/author for the Work and Author name at westandy-1. If you're still seeing a problem on point, I can't suggest anything more than giving it time, since they all link correctly for me. That said, in my limited experience of LibraryThing, caching shouldn't take more than 24-48 hours to resolve, The Great Downtime excepted.

Similarly, on Author mentions in "Book information," "Work details," and main headers, they work just fine for me when I come at it "cold," since I don't have these Works in our library; but if I approach Assassins' Legacy through your library, the same links take me to the "Author (disambiguation)" pages as they do you, rather than to the specific divided Author pages. (I think viewing your library is the closest we come to "uber-permission mode"; unless you turn something private, I can see pretty much the same things that you do about your entries, but I can't edit or change your particular records.) Small comfort maybe that it's only a "problem" for those of us who already have the book? Oddly, and regardless of how I come at it, "Add/edit other authors" links to watsonian, instead of watsonian-1; your link, on the other hand, goes to westandy-1 just fine. Maybe another Combiner will have further insight. Or perhaps it's a job for timspalding.

On deciding what to do about the Series, let me encourage you to forge ahead and add as much appropriate detail as you have, in the right places as you can. Series descriptions (in the upper-right corner of a Series page), "Add/edit other authors," Editions, simple & straight-forward Disambiguation notices under Common Knowledge, adding Volume 2 of the reboot Series, etc. - all of these are helpful to those of us who ask questions like mine above at the end of post 154. We generally distinguish among Works by content, but not for largely incidental intros, prefaces, forewords, afterwards, notes, etc.; "dead language" originals/translations and fully annotated Works (think "Norton Annotated ... ") are notable exceptions. Just breaking volumes of The Waters of Destiny Series into different constituent parts would make them different Works; I defer to you on whether it's a different Series, but it sounds the same to me.

I hope the re-issued Works continue to garner success for you and Ian. Please let us know of other questions, and how else we can help.

157westandy
set. 19, 2018, 7:05 pm

Thanks Jasbro,

I still see the same on Assassins' Legacy at the moment, but as you say it may switch to westandy-1 in due course. As to the other issues, I'm glad I'm not going crazy and that you see the same things when viewing through my library. As there doesn't seem to be any way for me to change these links either, then now would be a great time for time for another Combiner who may have insight or timspalding to jump in :)

I think you're right it should be the same series; I'll fiddle with it some more when I get a moment.

Andy.

158westandy
set. 20, 2018, 11:35 am

hmmm... then again if I name the series identically, I can't really have two volume 1's for instance, when the new one has dramatically more content than the old one, by virtue of being essentially one-and-a-half of the old volumes...

159jasbro
set. 21, 2018, 2:09 pm

>158 westandy: Since these are your and Ian's Works, and you're actively engaged in their presentation on LibraryThing, I'll glad to defer to you.

Otherwise, I'd probably position the new Series Volume 1 between original Series Volumes 1 and 2 on the same Series page, and the new Series Volume 2 between original Series Volumes 2 and 3. If that suggestion suits you, consider completing each Volume's respective Common Knowledge "Series" field as follows:
  • for Assassins, "The Waters of Destiny (1|original book 1),"
  • for Assassins' Legacy, "The Waters of Destiny (1.5|reissue book 1),"
  • for Tongue of Knowledge, "The Waters of Destiny (2|original book 2),"
  • for {reissue title 2}, "The Waters of Destiny (2.5|reissue book 2)," and
  • for Death Overflows, "The Waters of Destiny (3|original book 3)."
Within each set of parentheses, the first number is ordinal; the vertical bar "|" is a division marker (there's probably a technical name for the character, and a coding term for its function - I just don't know them); and text to the right of the bar generally appears in the "Order" column for that volume on the Series page. If you elect this approach, Volumes 1, 2 and 3 wouldn't show up on the Series page in straight succession, but in the order I've listed them above. Such organization immensely aids my own understanding of each Work's relative place in the context of a Series, and I'm not aware (thus far) that other Combiners or LibraryThingers generally either disagree or object.

160westandy
set. 21, 2018, 5:05 pm

Many thanks, Jasbro. I'll let it sink in for a bit, but this seems like an excellent plan, which I'll almost certainly go for. Good stuff :)

161JerryMmm
set. 21, 2018, 6:41 pm

the | is a pipe iirc

162jjwilson61
set. 21, 2018, 9:38 pm

>161 JerryMmm: that's a description of its function in the Unix command-line interface, which is to pipe data from one function to another. I've always called it a vertical bar.

163SaintSunniva
Editat: set. 28, 2018, 10:37 pm

I manually added a set of books today, carefully copying and pasting the title, but somehow it has ended up in the wrong place. As I recently tried separating a book from where it didn't belong--and then it seemed to disappear entirely--I'd rather someone else does this for me.

This is what I copied and pasted: My Book House (V.1-12)
from this page: http://www.librarything.com/work/33815/covers
intending that my set would be added to those. Instead, it ended up here:
http://www.librarything.com/work/13855027
which is for My Book House Sets Unknown.

Thanks for fixing this.

164europhile
set. 28, 2018, 11:16 pm

1652wonderY
oct. 3, 2018, 12:58 pm

New member/author added his book, and it seems to have auto-combined with several other books.

http://www.librarything.com/work/22338818

662 members, with one being AynRandLibrary
18 covers that are not correct for this work
8 reviews that seem to be discussing other things; tags all over the place...

I cleaned up the editions page a few days ago, and it's again a mess:
http://www.librarything.com/work/22338818/editions

but they are all manual entries (is that a clue?)
and why all the suggested combinations?

I googled the ISBN 1548077275 and it appears to be correct.

What am I missing here?

166LolaWalser
oct. 3, 2018, 1:39 pm

Could someone please help with separating Charles David (film director) from Charles & David?

This is the work I attribute to Charles David:

https://www.librarything.com/work/22367890/book/161062681

The author page it appears on only has "Charles & David" although it claims three separate authors...

https://www.librarything.com/author/davidcharles

TIA

167JerryMmm
Editat: oct. 3, 2018, 1:59 pm

>165 2wonderY: It looks like a black hole work, I separated one titled work from it, http://www.librarything.com/work/22367965/editions

he seems to be using his author page as a way to add generic types of books to his wishlist.

168Jarandel
oct. 3, 2018, 1:57 pm

>165 2wonderY: Looks like they did an import that sent some of their works in a current Book Eating Black Hole (http://www.librarything.com/topic/80849)

169JerryMmm
oct. 3, 2018, 2:02 pm

I added it to the workbench, and there I separated a titled work from it. The editions page has a problem with these.

I don't think it's helpful to separate the works with an author but no title, It's probably best to leave this alone.
Or combine into any other black hole.

1702wonderY
oct. 3, 2018, 2:14 pm

Okay, looks like you guys did what was needed. The target book has a new work number:

http://www.librarything.com/work/22367955

and I've removed Stewart as the author from the black hole work.
Searching by isbn now shows both works, so I'm supposing that was the reason for the auto-combine.

171jasbro
oct. 3, 2018, 11:19 pm

>166 LolaWalser: It looks like this was addressed through Author disambiguation. Is something more needed?

172Cecrow
oct. 15, 2018, 2:23 pm

Please combine these two pages for "The Way of the Samurai" by Inazo Nitobe:
https://www.librarything.com/work/11275023
https://www.librarything.com/work/18763447

One is described as an "illustrated collector's edition", but I don't see anything to prove its written content differs.

173norabelle414
oct. 25, 2018, 10:57 am

I don't actually need help separating this book, but I have a question that I don't think warrants it's own thread:

Someone has combined "The Yellow Wallpaper and Other Stories" Dover Thrift Edition (containing 7 short stories) and "The Yellow Wallpaper and Other Stories" Tantor Audiobook Edition (containing 12 short stories). It shouldn't be too difficult for me to separate them into two separate works, since most of the Dover books say "Dover" in the title. However, there are a few books that say "Dover Thrift Edition" in the title but have the ISBN of the Tantor Audiobook Edition (which is probably how they all ended up mixed together)

Am I correct in remembering that the title should take presidence over the ISBN with regard to which work a book should be combined into? Or should I match the ISBNs?

174MarthaJeanne
oct. 25, 2018, 11:02 am

In general, yes, Title is more likely to be correct than ISBN. You could also create three works with a disambiguation saying that these are editions where title and ISBN are mismatched. The important thing is to have notices saying what is in each work for future reference.

175norabelle414
oct. 25, 2018, 11:20 am

>174 MarthaJeanne: Yeah, the current work has two very nice but completely contradictory disambiguation notices from the two previous works that were combined together *heavy sigh*

176Lyndatrue
oct. 26, 2018, 1:23 pm

I'm not good at combining authors (other than when LT offers the opportunity to do so from the "Improve this Author" menu on the author page), and I'd like to see these two pages combined.

http://www.librarything.com/author/shieldsal
http://www.librarything.com/author/carterstephenl

I was surprised to see that Stephen L. Carter is also writing as A. L. Shields, since I mostly knew him as an occasional Bloomberg columnist (his fiction writing is not to my taste). They are indeed one and the same, noted over in the SF Encyclopedia entry, and on Wikipedia.

Interesting fellow (I read the bio on his Yale Faculty Page).

It's a perfect candidate, since there's (currently) no entry in the CK for Shields, which means no cleaning up after it's combined.

Help please?

177scott_beeler
oct. 26, 2018, 6:19 pm

1782wonderY
oct. 29, 2018, 3:14 pm

I'm so used to combining works here as I stumble upon them - especially using the nifty Workbench tool. The catalog for the Ohio Consortium, where I order my materials, now officially drives me bananas because I can't combine there. Every library enters their own collection additions, many times without checking to see what's already in the system. Grrr!

179norabelle414
oct. 29, 2018, 3:25 pm

>178 2wonderY: I was looking through my checkout history in my library system recently and one of the items from a few years ago doesn't link properly anymore (I think because the author changed her name) and I thought to myself, "oh, that's a zero-copy work"

180Crypto-Willobie
nov. 5, 2018, 9:41 am

Can't figure this one out.

Katherine Everett Gilbert http://www.librarything.com/author/gilbertkatharineever includes a book that certainly doesn't belong and another that probably doesn't.

This book http://www.librarything.com/work/21983325 is certainly not by the aesthetician KEG (1886-1952), rather by a 21st century Katherine Gilbert with no middle name or initials (according to the entries for all three copies); but I can't seem to extricate it let alone figure out why it's there in the first place. When I look at the Separate Out Names http://www.librarything.com/author/gilbertkatharineever/names it is not available to separate out individually, because it is already lumped with KEG. I've recalculated here and there, I've checked for canonical names -- to no avail.

Then this book http://www.librarything.com/author/gilbertkatharineever/names was entered with Katherine (no middle name or initials) Gilbert as a contributor. I suspect it might be KEG but am not sure. But as soon as I entered it it shot over to the KEG page instead of landing on a plain old KG page.

How did this sub-page get Everetted? http://www.librarything.com/author/gilbertkatherine&norefer=1

181norabelle414
nov. 5, 2018, 9:53 am

>180 Crypto-Willobie: I'd suggest separating out the names (especially since it sounds like maybe they should not be combined anyway) and then checking each name to make sure it doesn't have a canonical name set.

182Crypto-Willobie
nov. 5, 2018, 12:34 pm

>180 Crypto-Willobie: >181 norabelle414:

Well, someone has (mostly) fixed it without saying anything. I wonder what the problems was.

I added an alias and now it seems fine.

183Collectorator
Editat: nov. 5, 2018, 1:38 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

184Crypto-Willobie
nov. 5, 2018, 3:28 pm

Ah! thanks.

185SaintSunniva
nov. 11, 2018, 12:46 am

Could someone combine these authors - it's like they're already combined (I thought I'd try combining them, but they seemed to be already).
https://www.librarything.com/author/harveyedmundh
https://www.librarything.com/author/harveytad
The Quest of Michael Faraday should show 3 copies.

186jasbro
nov. 11, 2018, 3:40 pm

>185 SaintSunniva: I see the CK that identifies Edmund H. as "Tad" when he's writing for young readers, but I'm reluctant to combine the two for the potential future impact on similar Author names. For now I've aliased the Tad Harvey Works into Edmund H. rather than combine the Authors. Maybe it's not ideal and we can revisit it, but it strikes me as preferable to start with. Please give me your thoughts.

187Collectorator
nov. 11, 2018, 7:46 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

188jasbro
Editat: nov. 11, 2018, 10:09 pm

>187 Collectorator: I hadn't seen that; thanks. So we're better off combining Tad and Edmund H. here regardless, significant name differences notwithstanding? Is there any other approach you'd suggest instead?

189SandraArdnas
nov. 12, 2018, 12:15 am

I checked how Agatha Christie was handled and it was combined with Mary Westmacott, with a note in a disambiguation field that it's used for non-mystery novels

190jasbro
Editat: nov. 12, 2018, 10:58 am

>189 SandraArdnas: Excellent point; thank you. >185 SaintSunniva:, >187 Collectorator: Done. I appreciate all the input.

191Collectorator
nov. 12, 2018, 1:27 pm

Aquest membre ha estat suspès.

192avatiakh
nov. 19, 2018, 4:03 am

My mistake when I added the author name to the book as it had not been included in the book data -
Tilly and the Bookwanderers by Anna James - this debut author is not the 'Anna James' that is combined into the Madeline Harper author profile. Not sure how to separate the book out from the Madeline Harper page.
http://www.librarything.com/work/20725046

https://www.thebookseller.com/news/anna-james-signs-book-deal-harpercollins-chil...

193MarthaJeanne
Editat: nov. 19, 2018, 4:51 am

>192 avatiakh: You did not make a mistake.

I've separated Anna James from Madeline Harper, but now she needs to be split and the right split aliased into Madeline Harper.

Working on it.

As you can see (Anna James) this was not the first book that didn't belong on the Madeline Harper page. I have done what I can, but there are still plenty of books to be figured out. My personal guess is that there are several more authors involved.

194scott_beeler
nov. 19, 2018, 11:24 am

>193 MarthaJeanne: I added a few more to the correct divisions; there are 3 unaffiliated works remaining. "Dark Tapestry" looks like a 1980s Romance, so might well belong to #1, but it wasn't included in a list of her works I found, so I'm not sure. The diet book is likely a separate author. Not sure about "Suntrap".

195jasbro
Editat: nov. 19, 2018, 11:51 am

>191 Collectorator: Thank you.

>192 avatiakh: >193 MarthaJeanne: >194 scott_beeler: An online search of "Suntrap Anna James" yielded an older paperback of that title on Amazon, the cover of which suggests (beyond any reasonable doubt) a romance consistent with tags on the LibraryThing Work, showing "Gabrielle Shaw" on the cover as its Author although Amazon attributes it to Anna James. My site search of LibraryThing returned no results for "Gabrielle Shaw" as an Author.

196bluepiano
nov. 24, 2018, 3:47 am

Is there a way to combine variations of a series title? (Short of going to each work & entering a consistent title, that is.) Difference in capitalisation, accent marks--slight things but leading to different series pages nontheless.

197avatiakh
nov. 25, 2018, 1:20 am

>193 MarthaJeanne: >194 scott_beeler: >195 jasbro: Thanks very much, I'm halfway through my Anna James' Tilly and the bookwanderers and even though it's a children's book, it is a delight for booklovers.

198SandraArdnas
nov. 25, 2018, 6:06 am

>196 bluepiano: I don't think so, which is why I've been entertaining the idea to propose an RSI to that effect for all CK fields where consistency is important (characters, places, events, in addition to series and publisher series).

199bluepiano
nov. 25, 2018, 10:02 am

>198 SandraArdnas: C'est dommage (Dommage, c'est dommage, C'est Dommage, dommage). Thanks anyway.

200bluepiano
des. 20, 2018, 10:33 am

Could someone please combine http://www.librarything.com/work/20286268 with http://www.librarything.com/work/15508958? I'm having no luck with it. Thanks.

2012wonderY
des. 20, 2018, 10:50 am

202MarthaJeanne
des. 20, 2018, 10:50 am

Someone has done it.

203jasbro
des. 20, 2018, 2:37 pm

With that, this thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #80 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/300675. Thank you!

204jade_kadir
Editat: jul. 28, 2022, 5:35 pm

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