The Official UN-official SFF-KIT For 2019!!!

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The Official UN-official SFF-KIT For 2019!!!

1fuzzi
Editat: nov. 18, 2019, 9:20 pm

We are back, and ready to read some more great SciFi and Fantasy books!

The Wiki is here: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/2019_SFFKIT

Thanks, majkia, for doing that again for us this year!

Monthly challenges to be added here:

January: "Read an SFF you meant to read in 2018, but never started/completed" - hosted by fuzzi
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/301204)

February: "Colonization" hosted by majkia
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/302399#)

March: "Mystery/police procedural/detective Science Fiction or Fantasy" hosted by owlie13
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/303888)

April: "Sword & Sorcery" hosted by Kristelh
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/304923#)

May: "International Sci-Fi/Fantasy by Non-US/UK authors" hosted by whitewavedarling
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/306127)

June: "Road-trip" hosted by mathgirl40
(http://www.librarything.com/topic/307014)

July: "Space Opera" hosted by h-mb
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/308041#)

August: "Alternate History" hosted by LisaMorr
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/309138)

September: "Series" hosted by Tanya-dogearedcopy
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/310207)

October: "Comedy" hosted by RobertGreaves
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/311227#)

November: "Award Winners (Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy Award,...)" hosted by scaifea
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/312082)

December: "End-of-the-Year Wrap Up" hosted by DeltaQueen50
(https://www.librarything.com/topic/313136#)

Last year's challenges can be viewed here:

(https://www.librarything.com/topic/272659#)

2fuzzi
nov. 24, 2018, 12:32 pm

I kept the January theme from last year, but if anyone has a good suggestion for a different challenge, just let me know.

3majkia
Editat: nov. 24, 2018, 3:45 pm

4fuzzi
nov. 24, 2018, 10:22 pm

>3 majkia: yippee!!! (and thanks)

5MissWatson
nov. 25, 2018, 4:23 am

I think that is a good theme for January, because time is already running away from me and it is not even December yet. There'll be many books to choose for this, come January.

6majkia
nov. 25, 2018, 10:23 am

I'll take February with a topic of Colonization

7whitewavedarling
nov. 25, 2018, 11:49 am

How would you guys feel about me reviving the 'International Sci-Fi/Fantasy by non-US/UK authors' theme from a few years ago? I discovered a few great authors that month, so it seems like it would be worth bringing it up again :) I could do it in either May or June. (Or, later in the year, August, September, or October :) )

8majkia
nov. 25, 2018, 12:19 pm

>7 whitewavedarling: sounds like a plan!

9h-mb
nov. 25, 2018, 12:44 pm

10Kristelh
nov. 25, 2018, 3:28 pm

I could do sword and sorcery theme if that sounds different enough from previous years?

11DeltaQueen50
Editat: nov. 25, 2018, 4:15 pm

I could do December and make it an end-of-the-year wrap up month or Reader's Choice, a time to read the book you either couldn't fit in earlier or a book that you want to read and haven't been able to get to it during the year.

>10 Kristelh: I like the idea of a sword and sorcery theme!

12whitewavedarling
nov. 25, 2018, 4:28 pm

>10 Kristelh:, I like the idea of a sword and sorcery them also, and I'll never argue against an end-of-the-year wrap-up thread! (Especially right now, with a stack of books to be completed in 2018 starting at me if I want to finish all of my challenges...)

13Kristelh
nov. 25, 2018, 5:33 pm

Ok, Sword and Sorcery for April.

14majkia
nov. 25, 2018, 5:41 pm

Sword a d sorcery was a theme I considered

15fuzzi
Editat: nov. 25, 2018, 8:33 pm

>5 MissWatson: thanks!

>6 majkia: added!

>7 whitewavedarling: pick a month, any month...

>11 DeltaQueen50: added!

>13 Kristelh: added!

16whitewavedarling
nov. 25, 2018, 8:37 pm

>15 fuzzi:, We'll say May, then :)

17mathgirl40
nov. 25, 2018, 10:08 pm

I love road-trip books, so how about a road-trip theme in June? I'm thinking it could include everything from Frodo and Samwise's hike to Mordor to the intergalactic journey in The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet.

18fuzzi
nov. 25, 2018, 11:03 pm

19scaifea
nov. 30, 2018, 6:26 am

It looks like the list is a little slow to fill up and I love this challenge, so I'm hesitantly stepping forward to host a month.

Caveats: This is only my second year in the Challenge group and I've never hosted a theme, so I'm not sure how this goes - I post the thread when the time comes and sort of maintain it, right? Anything else I'd need to do?

Also, as far as a theme goes, how about Award Winners (Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy Award,...)? Again, I'm still fairly new at this, so if that's an old, worn-old category, let me know and I'll try to think of something else. I'd be happy to take March, if that's okay, but honestly any of the open months would be fine.

20mathgirl40
nov. 30, 2018, 7:56 am

>19 scaifea: I don't want to speak for everyone else, but I love reading from awards lists, especially the new ones each year!

Will you be allowing nominees as well as winners? If so, would you consider hosting a bit later in the year? The Nebula shortlist usually appears in February with the winners announced in May, while the Hugo shortlist appears in April with the winners announced in August. The Locus awards are announced in June.

So if you pick a later month, we'll have several 2019 lists to choose from. BTW, I've got June at the moment, but I'll be happy to change if that's a month you (or anyone else) wants.

21scaifea
nov. 30, 2018, 8:35 am

>20 mathgirl40: Good point about doing it later in the year - I'll take November, then, if that's okay with everyone. And yes, nominees would definitely count!

22fuzzi
nov. 30, 2018, 8:54 am

>21 scaifea: welcome! You've been added to November.

All you need to do is start a thread before November 1st, but mid-October is okay as many here are early birds, like to start posting their planned reads before the challenge month starts.

Feel free to do as you like with your November thread, add pictures, encourage discussion, etc. We're very relaxed about this challenge.

23fuzzi
nov. 30, 2018, 8:59 am

I've invited people from the SciFi group to join us, the more the merrier!

https://www.librarything.com/topic/299540#

24mathgirl40
nov. 30, 2018, 9:22 am

>21 scaifea: Sounds great, thanks!

25owlie13
nov. 30, 2018, 10:52 am

I've never hosted before, but I'd be willing to give it a try. For a theme, what about mystery/police procedural/detective Science Fiction or Fantasy? Would that be acceptable? If so, you could put me down for March.

26majkia
nov. 30, 2018, 11:02 am

>25 owlie13: oh that sounds good.

27scaifea
nov. 30, 2018, 1:28 pm

>22 fuzzi: Okay, great - thanks!

>24 mathgirl40: Woot!

28LisaMorr
nov. 30, 2018, 4:07 pm

I was thinking about alternate history or dystopian - does anyone have a preference? March, August or September would work for me.

29owlie13
nov. 30, 2018, 4:30 pm

>28 LisaMorr: Personally, I prefer alternate history, but happy to go along with group.

30h-mb
nov. 30, 2018, 5:16 pm

I prefer alternate history too!

31fuzzi
nov. 30, 2018, 8:34 pm

>25 owlie13: updated!

>28 LisaMorr: I put you down for August, okay?

32LisaMorr
nov. 30, 2018, 8:36 pm

That works!

33h-mb
des. 1, 2018, 5:08 am

I've never hosted either but I'll give it a try, with space opera if that's OK. I'd like to do it in July.

34majkia
des. 1, 2018, 7:20 am

Yay! Filling up!

35fuzzi
des. 1, 2018, 8:15 pm

>33 h-mb: added...and that's one of my favorite types of SciFi!

36fuzzi
des. 1, 2018, 8:16 pm

Only September and October have not been chosen...

37Tanya-dogearedcopy
Editat: des. 1, 2018, 10:04 pm

I was reluctant to host a month as I seem fated to never actually complete the challenge for the month I'm actually hosting (!) but I think this time I can actually handle September, with the theme of "Series." DeltaQueen50 hosted it last year, so I'm admitting that I'm stealing the idea from her, but I like the idea of taking on the month that begins with the letter "S" with a theme also beginning with "S" ("S" being the 19th letter of the alphabet = 2019.) I did think about "Steampunk, but I hosted that for a couple of years in the past with mixed results.

How does that sound? If the response is only lukewarm I can brainstorm with something else: Sagas? Singularity? Something Wicked This Way Comes (Classic SFF of the '40s-60s?) I'm totally open to suggestions! :-)

38DeltaQueen50
Editat: des. 1, 2018, 9:52 pm

>37 Tanya-dogearedcopy: Series sounds great to me!

39h-mb
des. 2, 2018, 4:10 am

Series is always useful

40Tanya-dogearedcopy
des. 2, 2018, 7:14 am

>1 fuzzi: Please put me down for September, “Series” :-)

41fuzzi
des. 2, 2018, 9:47 am

>40 Tanya-dogearedcopy: you got it! I like that topic, as I've yet to find anything "Steampunk" that interests me...I'm more into Space Opera stuff! ;)

42whitewavedarling
des. 2, 2018, 11:17 am

>41 fuzzi:, I'm the same--I haven't had much luck with the Steampunk I've picked up. I'm committed to trying some more at some point, but it might be a while. I'm glad it's series, >40 Tanya-dogearedcopy:.

43majkia
des. 2, 2018, 12:19 pm

>41 fuzzi: and >42 whitewavedarling: Try Leviathan by Scott Westerfeld. It hooked me on steampunk.

44whitewavedarling
des. 2, 2018, 12:52 pm

>43 majkia:, Good to know! Consider the bb taken :)

45fuzzi
des. 2, 2018, 7:26 pm

>43 majkia: putting on my "Recommended" list, thanks!

46lkernagh
des. 2, 2018, 8:31 pm

>43 majkia: - Leviathan is the book/series that got me hooked on steampunk as a genre.

Other steampunk suggestions:
The Affinity Bridge by George Mann - a Victorian mystery with steampunk elements
Retribution Falls by Chris Wooding - a swashbuckling pirate adventure theme (think sea pirates with air ships)
Boneshaker by Cherie Priest - more dystopian/ end of world
Soulless by Gail Carriger - a romance romp with vampires and werewolves
The Alchemy of Stone by Ekaterina Sedia - a strong automaton element
The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi - dystopian, genetic engineering elements

47mathgirl40
des. 2, 2018, 8:49 pm

>43 majkia: >46 lkernagh: I really liked Leviathan too. If you like YA adventure, I'd also recommend Airborn by Kenneth Oppel.

Other steampunk novels I loved include Perdido Street Station by China Mieville and The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson.

48Kristelh
des. 3, 2018, 7:11 am

I've read both Leviathan and Airborn that I read just recently and Mieville and Stephenson are both very good authors. I've also read Soulless which was a fun book.

49fuzzi
des. 3, 2018, 8:07 am

October is still available...

50whitewavedarling
des. 3, 2018, 11:17 am

>46 lkernagh: and >47 mathgirl40:, Noted! And, thank you :) I'd never heard of some of those, but I've got them down now. Perdido Street Station and Retribution Falls are both books I've been meaning to get to for too long, so I really need to try. I want to read Windup Girl also, but got put off of it because I read his Ship Breaker and wasn't all that impressed. I'll get to it eventually, though!

51scaifea
des. 3, 2018, 2:01 pm

>50 whitewavedarling: Chiming in to say that I recently read Perdido Street Station and absolutely loved it (and I'm generally not a huge fan of steampunk)!

52Robertgreaves
des. 4, 2018, 11:43 pm

>50 whitewavedarling: Another suggestion: the Arabella of Mars trilogy by David D. Levine. Think Regency romance with interplanetary sailing ships.

53Robertgreaves
des. 9, 2018, 3:29 am

Since nobody else seems to want it, I'll take October, with the theme comedy.

54h-mb
des. 9, 2018, 3:59 am

I agree to host the July thead but I don't know where and how to open it ! Help, please.

55Tanya-dogearedcopy
des. 9, 2018, 12:39 pm

>53 Robertgreaves: :-)

>54 h-mb: In mid-June, you'll be asked to set up a separate thread for "Space Opera." That's it! There's nothing to open or do right now :-)

56fuzzi
des. 9, 2018, 4:49 pm

>53 Robertgreaves: thank you, updating it now...

57fuzzi
des. 9, 2018, 4:52 pm

>54 h-mb: what Tanya said. Wait until a couple weeks before your month starts.

58joriestory
des. 19, 2018, 9:55 pm

I originally wanted to join the Category Challenge for 2019 than left the group as I couldn't figure out how to do it then I saw this update in the Science Fiction group's *thread. I'd love to participate - can someone help a newbie out and explain how this works? Do we pick / choose which category challenges we want to participate in during the year or is there a main challenge and say, this one is in 'addition'? I've tried to get my bearings but it could be the virus I'm fighting my way through ATM is muddling the obvious here -- just a few pointers would be helpful.

Also, love the themes/categories - I would love to join you!

59mathgirl40
des. 19, 2018, 10:09 pm

>58 joriestory: Just start a new thread in the group with your username in the title. Then, you can structure the challenge in any way you want. You could browse through a few members' threads for ideas.

When the challenge first started in 2010, the common goal was to read 10 books in 10 categories. In 2011, it was to read 11 books in 11 categories. When the numbers got higher, people ended up customizing their challenge to fit more realistic goals. This year, I'll be doing 5 books in 19 categories. Others might do 19 books in 5 categories, while others don't worry about the 19 aspect and just create categories to suit their goals.

The extra challenges (CATs, KITs, BingoDOG, group reads) are all optional. Just choose whichever ones interest you and drop in and out throughout the year as you like.

60joriestory
des. 19, 2018, 10:28 pm

mathgirl40

Ooh! I see -- we each have a baseline of 19 categories which equals 19 books (on the max end) but can do whichever number of books/categories we prefer? Then, those secondary options you've mentioned are 'added-in' throughout the months of the year whilst we're already reading the other stories per theme/category? Okay, it looked Greek to me but I think I get it now! I'll do what you said and stroll through people's lists and see if I can sort this out before I post to the main *thread Thanks for the advice!

So far, though - I need a 'main' *thread of categories to anchour this SFF-KIT too right? Awesome!

61mathgirl40
des. 19, 2018, 10:50 pm

>60 joriestory: Yes, some people still like the 19 theme and plan to read X number of books in 19 categories, for example. Others choose arbitrary categories and numbers to suit their needs. It might help to browse through the 2018 group rather than the 2019 group, as you'll see the categories filled out instead of in the planning stage.

That's correct -- create a new thread with a title to help us identify it as yours. You might want to reserve the first few posts for you to edit with your progress during the year. Do this by posting a note like "reserved for later" or "details to be added". Then later on, you can add your categories to these posts.

62joriestory
des. 20, 2018, 12:18 am

mathgirl40

Thank you so much for your lovely advice!! I think you could say I took the ball and ran with it!! lol Did you post your list? I couldn't sort out where it was added - unless your still planning yours?

63majkia
des. 20, 2018, 6:14 am

>62 joriestory: Welcome!

We're a friendly group and the only goal here is to enjoy reading and chat about that reading as we do it.

I've been using months as categories but this year I'm using genres as my groups. I read for many of the KITS and CATS and BingoDog but not every month, since I'm trying to read my TBR.

Set up your thread and your challenges (which aren't really contests, just planning really) as you like and it isn't set in concrete. You can change things if they don't work for you. Flexible and easy is my motto.

64mathgirl40
Editat: des. 20, 2018, 7:17 am

>62 joriestory: I'm still frantically trying to finish up my 2018 challenge and catch up on my backlog of reviews. I won't be starting anything here or visiting threads (other than the ones for CATs and KITs) until Jan. 1, I expect. However, I will be sure to star yours and follow your progress!

>63 majkia: "Flexible and easy" is a good motto -- one that I should follow more often. :)

65fuzzi
des. 20, 2018, 1:33 pm

Flexible and easy is the way to go.

So glad you joined us, joriestory. Don't let any of the challenges stress you, just do what you want to do, when and how you want to do it. I don't always get a book done for each month's challenges, but I get ideas for future reads and enjoy the comments.

66crazy4reading
des. 20, 2018, 2:21 pm

I am sure I won't finish the books in a month. I am hoping to find a book that I can use for multiple challenges.

67fuzzi
des. 29, 2018, 5:42 pm

January's thread is UP!

https://www.librarything.com/topic/301204

No excuses...

68fuzzi
gen. 8, 2019, 6:25 pm

Woo, CJ Cherryh just released a new Alliance Universe book, Alliance Rising! I can't wait to read it.

69JayneCM
gen. 8, 2019, 8:23 pm

Sci Fi isn't a genre I am familiar with, hence why I am joining in! I am going to be looking here for lots of ideas.

Just wondering if anyone has read any Matthew Reilly books? I saw an article about his latest, due out soon, and it looks really interesting - it is called The Secret Runners of New York.

Looking at some of his other titles, there seems to be a wide spread of time periods, places, etc. in his works. I would be interested for any info as to where any of his titles 'fit in' to the categories here.

Thanks for any help!

70DeltaQueen50
gen. 9, 2019, 12:53 pm

>69 JayneCM: I read The Great Zoo of China by Matthew Reilly last year for July's ScaredyKit theme to read a techno thriller. It was a fast and fun read but also I felt very predictable, and it felt very much like a movie script (and a little too much like Jurrassic Park).

71JayneCM
gen. 9, 2019, 5:42 pm

>70 DeltaQueen50: My library had that one, but I wasn't too fussed on the blurb. Maybe I'll still choose one of his titles if they are fast and fun!

72majkia
gen. 14, 2019, 9:14 am

73fuzzi
gen. 14, 2019, 9:44 am

Excellent! And I think it'll fit CJ Cherryh new book, Alliance Rising!

75Kristelh
gen. 29, 2019, 6:16 am

>74 fuzzi:, I got it. I've not tried this author.

76fuzzi
gen. 29, 2019, 6:59 am

>75 Kristelh: oh, great! I love Cherryh. Downbelow Station was one of her Hugo award winning books.

Note: she starts slow, like a roller coaster, and then suddenly you are going at breakneck speed.

77fuzzi
feb. 16, 2019, 12:51 pm

78Kristelh
març 16, 2019, 1:10 am

I will get April thread up tomorrow.

79Kristelh
març 17, 2019, 8:27 am

80whitewavedarling
abr. 16, 2019, 11:20 am

Just dropping by to let everyone know my schedule's been crazy, so I'm a bit behind on things, but I'll get the May thread up in the next few days. It's on my mind!

81fuzzi
abr. 16, 2019, 12:54 pm

We're good, get to it when you can. :)

82whitewavedarling
abr. 20, 2019, 12:46 pm

Month of May thread posted! https://www.librarything.com/topic/306127

83fuzzi
abr. 20, 2019, 7:35 pm

84whitewavedarling
abr. 20, 2019, 8:19 pm

>83 fuzzi:, you guys are more than welcome! I hated doing it later than the 15th--I'm one of those who normally lurks around mid-month and looks forward to the new thread!--but alas, life got in the way...

85fuzzi
abr. 21, 2019, 5:21 pm

>84 whitewavedarling: RL (real life) does take precedence, doesn't it? :)

Confession: I, too, lurk mid-month...

86Robertgreaves
abr. 21, 2019, 7:20 pm

>84 whitewavedarling: >85 fuzzi: another mid-month lurker here. Even though I don't really plan my reading properly till the end of the month, I still like to throw out ideas early just to mark the threads.

87mathgirl40
maig 14, 2019, 10:29 pm

I've posted the June SFFKIT thread here:
http://www.librarything.com/topic/307014

88fuzzi
maig 15, 2019, 7:00 am

>87 mathgirl40: thank you!

89majkia
maig 15, 2019, 9:54 am

>87 mathgirl40: thanks! Hmmm. Surely I have something that will fit.

90h-mb
juny 14, 2019, 5:21 am

91LisaMorr
jul. 16, 2019, 3:23 pm

92Tanya-dogearedcopy
ag. 14, 2019, 5:05 pm

The September thread is up!: https://www.librarything.com/topic/310207

93Robertgreaves
set. 15, 2019, 6:24 am

94scaifea
oct. 15, 2019, 7:36 am

The November thread is up and running:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/312082

95majkia
oct. 15, 2019, 7:52 am

>94 scaifea: yay! Thanks!

96kac522
oct. 19, 2019, 6:21 pm

The 2020 Planning Thread for CATs next year has started here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/312074#6945930

97fuzzi
oct. 20, 2019, 8:48 pm

>94 scaifea: >96 kac522: thank you and thank you!

98Dejah_Thoris
nov. 3, 2019, 8:30 pm

Er....we are planning on having a SFFKit again next year, right? It's my favorite.....

99h-mb
nov. 4, 2019, 3:51 am

>98 Dejah_Thoris: I do hope so !

100majkia
nov. 4, 2019, 6:47 am

Moi aussi

101fuzzi
nov. 4, 2019, 7:00 am

>98 Dejah_Thoris: if people want SFF KIT again in 2020, I'll be happy to "host" it. :)

102majkia
nov. 4, 2019, 7:46 am

>101 fuzzi: Thank you!

103Dejah_Thoris
nov. 4, 2019, 10:43 am

>101 fuzzi: Excellent!

104Dejah_Thoris
nov. 13, 2019, 12:51 am

>101 fuzzi: Do you want to start a interest or planning thread over in the 2020 group? I actually have an idea for a month and am willing to attempt to host.....

105chlorine
nov. 13, 2019, 2:00 am

> 104 I also have an idea and am tempted to host a month for the first time, if people are interested. :)

106JayneCM
nov. 13, 2019, 4:01 am

I loved this KIT as I do not usually read sci fi. But my sci fi reads this year were some of my absolute favourites. I would love to see it in 2020.

107Kristelh
nov. 13, 2019, 8:46 pm

I will continue as well

108fuzzi
nov. 13, 2019, 9:45 pm

>104 Dejah_Thoris: oh, is it already up?

109majkia
nov. 13, 2019, 9:50 pm

>108 fuzzi: yup it is.

110DeltaQueen50
nov. 13, 2019, 11:00 pm

I am also looking forward to participating in this Kit next year - and of course can hardly wait to see it take shape!

111fuzzi
nov. 14, 2019, 1:55 pm

I'll get a thread up, very soon. My RL has been very, very busy.

112majkia
nov. 14, 2019, 4:14 pm

we'll do our best to be patient ;)

113JayneCM
nov. 14, 2019, 7:51 pm

>111 fuzzi: No hurry! But I am excited to see what the last month has in store for us. I much prefer not knowing exactly what it will be in advance.

114Dejah_Thoris
nov. 14, 2019, 10:41 pm

>111 fuzzi: Definitely no hurry! RL has a way of interfering with reading and reading related activities. I just wanted to make sure that there was enough interest to keep going - the other CATs and KITs have been thoroughly discussed over on the 2020 thread, and I was worried SF&F might get left out. We really have plenty of time to plan. Thank you for being willing to host!

115LisaMorr
nov. 15, 2019, 6:26 am

Love it, will always support it, I'll be there when it's ready!

116fuzzi
nov. 15, 2019, 7:12 pm

It's up:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/313056#6969170

Thank you for your patience.

117Dejah_Thoris
nov. 15, 2019, 10:18 pm

>116 fuzzi: Oh dear, I hope I wasn't pushy about it! But thank you for posting it - I've already requested my month.

118fuzzi
nov. 16, 2019, 5:59 pm

>117 Dejah_Thoris: nope, we're good.

119DeltaQueen50
nov. 18, 2019, 7:40 pm

120fuzzi
nov. 18, 2019, 9:19 pm

121threadnsong
nov. 30, 2019, 9:15 pm

Thank you for having a thread for 2020 and for all your hard work putting it up and hosting it and *gasp* fighting for it! I have enjoyed being able to plan my huge shelf of reading and re-reading in SFF and look forward to reading more in 2020!

122JayneCM
nov. 30, 2019, 11:09 pm

>121 threadnsong: Yes! Thank you to organiser and all hosts. I have always thought I didn't like sci fi, which apparently is totally untrue! Some of my favourite reads this year have come from this thread. So glad I branched out!

123fuzzi
des. 1, 2019, 1:29 pm

>121 threadnsong: >122 JayneCM: love your feedback, thank you!

A big thank you to each and every person who has hosted a challenge. Their ideas, input, and organization have helped us to discover new authors, new worlds, and we're the richer for it.

124fuzzi
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