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ag. 18, 2020, 6:00am


“And we moved the capital of Israel to Jerusalem. That’s for the Evangelicals.
You know, it’s amazing with that: the Evangelicals are more excited by that than Jewish people.”

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- David Pinsen @dpinsen | 6:10 PM · Aug 17, 2020

ag. 18, 2020, 7:42am

The rapture happy especially want to see Armageddon. They want to see Jesus descend from the clouds and rout the infidels and evildoers. They're living in a cartoon fantasy world but they see the potential in a global war for them to be lifted up into the clouds with Jesus, the choirs of angels---the whole nine yards of snake oil salesman christian propagandizing coming to fruition. It's not all that different from an Islamist suicide bomber who thinks 70 virgins are waiting for him on the other side either. Your megachurch christian told that if he closes his eyes and believes hard enough--puts his arms in the air and bobs his head to the music that anything can come true---how many millions of those are there in this country?

All of this is beyond Trump's comprehension which is why he's amazed.

The reality on the ground in Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza is quite different. For instance in Gaza you have 2+ million inhabitants sealed off from the world in a very small fenced in area with guard posts all along the fence line and a pretty liberal shoot to kill whoever comes into your rifle's sights policy. Israeli warships constantly patrolling the harbor and Israeli warplanes continually flying overhead. They have nowhere to go. 2% of the water within is potable-the rest is pretty much sewage or sea water and the restrictions on anyone entering or leaving are extremely harsh. It is an open air prison.

The West Bank is different in that it's all about letting Jewish settlers steal more and more land from the Palestinians. The army and security forces meeting rocks and stones from protesters with rubber bullets (if they're lucky), live ammunition, warplanes and bulldozers. Most Palestinians are not allowed to vote for the real govt. and have no political say over the shit that happens to them. If their land is stolen or homes are taken or destroyed--it's too bad--they are non-citizens in the state of Israel. The United States aids and abets Israel--sometimes less (Obama) sometimes more (Bush, Trump). There is plenty of historical precedence I suppose for what's happening--that said Israel is still an apartheid like nation and any American politicians who get the support of organizations that fall under the umbrella of AIPAC are complicit in civil rights crimes to the Palestinian people. How can you be for Black Lives Matter and be against the Palestinian people?

ag. 19, 2020, 12:42am

The Israel deal may give the UAE a boost – but it doesn’t bring us any closer to peace in the Middle East (Independent)

The new agreement is good for all the political leaders involved, including Donald Trump, but answers few of the bigger questions...

ag. 26, 2020, 6:53am

Somewhat protected until now by Israeli embargo, densely populated Gaza suffered its first COVID outbreak, so shutdown. Poverty + restricted electricity + poor water + COVID. What hell...

Hamas: Gaza will not 'remain silent' as Israel escalates siege
Ali Adam | 8/26/2020

Gaza City - The threat of a new Gaza war continues to rise as Palestinians demand an end to the devastating 13-year-long blockade and Israel tightens the screws on Gaza's economy while targeting Hamas positions.

Israeli warplanes and tanks bombed Hamas military sites early on Tuesday in response to the incendiary balloons launched from Gaza towards Israel's south, according to an Israeli army statement.

...Over the past two years, following the momentum of the Great March of Return protests, multiple deals were reached between Palestinian factions in Gaza and Israel with the mediation of Egypt, Qatar, and the United Nations.

Hamas, which governs Gaza, was to provide security along the demarcation dividing the Palestinians and Israelis, in return for Israel's alleviation of the blockade.

But Palestinian leaders in Gaza accused Israel of continuing to renege on implementing its side of the bargain.

According to local Palestinian media reports, Israel has failed to extend Gaza's allowed fishing zone to 20 nautical miles, allow the construction of a new power line into the Gaza Strip, permit Gaza's power plant to operate on natural gas, and facilitate the movement of goods, including the entry of 1,200 trucks a day, through the Karem Abu Salem (known as Kerem Shalom to Israelis) crossing.

In response to the launching of incendiary balloons, Israel has taken punitive measures against Gaza by restricting goods coming through the crossing, fully closing the sea to Gaza's fishermen, and halting fuel supplies, causing the territory's sole power plant to shut down with electricity reduced to four hours a day....

ag. 26, 2020, 8:32am

#4--almost all of the 'provocations' by the Gazan's are bow and arrow stuff that has as much chance of actually killing or hurting someone or destroying something of any significance than I have of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning. The response by the Israeli government and IDF is always super disproportionate and the 'provocations' used by Israel as well to justify not living up to agreements they've made though if there were no provocations they would find some other reasons. Israel also has the United States supporting everything they do and not just the current administration. They have the majority of politicians on both sides of the aisle in their back pocket.

oct. 9, 2020, 1:15am

Why Trump wants Sudan to befriend Israel (BBC)

With Sudan in desperate straits - a collapsing economy, hyperinflation looming and a nationwide food crisis - the administration of US President Donald Trump and the Israeli government have seen an opportunity...

oct. 9, 2020, 3:55am

Interesting, sad, but hopeful to think green sprouts of democracy survive against all odds. Another story for the 'How to Democracy' thread?

Editat: oct. 9, 2020, 4:45am

>7 margd:

Yes indeed. The story of how a nonviolent popular uprising, led largely by women and youth, overthrew a brutal military dictatorship in Sudan is an inspiring one, although the struggle continues to build a new democratic society in the face of continued influence by the generals who were formely in power and shameless self-interested pressure from the USA and Israel. Perhaps the one overriding lesson which could be learned by other popular movements (including the Palestinians and Black Lives Matter) is that a nonviolent struggle has more credibility and ultimately a greater chance of success than a violent one.

oct. 13, 2020, 12:03am

JCB challenged over machinery used to demolish Palestinian homes (Guardian)

The British heavy machinery firm JCB’s sale of equipment used in the destruction of Palestinian villages in the Israeli-occupied West Bank may have breached Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development guidelines on human rights, a UK government body has assessed.

The case is likely to test the degree to which multinationals are responsible if their export goods are being sold by local distributors in ways that infringe human rights...

oct. 14, 2020, 11:43pm

‘God help us’ if Trump wins re-election, Palestinian PM says (Al Jazeera)

Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh has said a Donald Trump victory in the upcoming presidential elections in the United States will be disastrous for his people – and the world at large.

In comments made during a meeting with European legislators on Tuesday, Shtayyeh said the last four years of the Trump administration have greatly harmed the Palestinians.

“If we are going to live another four years with President Trump, God help us, God help you and God help the whole world,” the prime minister said, repeating comments he made a day earlier in a virtual address to the European Parliament...

oct. 17, 2020, 12:12am

European powers condemn Israel’s settlement approvals (Al Jazeera)

EU ministers say pushing ahead with more settlements violates international law and further imperils the viability of a two-state solution...

oct. 17, 2020, 3:38am

Israel stops issuing visas to UN human rights agency (Al Jazeera)

OHCHR country director among 9 of 12 of UN agency’s workers forced to leave after visas were not renewed...

oct. 21, 2020, 7:12am

‘It’s a New Day’: Sudan Exults in Move to Take It Off List of Terror States
Abdi Latif Dahir | Oct. 20, 2020. Updated Oct. 21, 2020

...after 27 years the United States plans to remove (Sudan) from its list of state sponsors of terrorism...

President Trump announced on Monday over Twitter that he will lift the terrorist designation as soon as Sudan deposits a payment of $335 million in compensation to victims, and their families, of attacks on U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, and the U.S. Navy destroyer Cole in Yemen in 2000.

The deal would allow the northeastern African nation of Sudan, one of the continent’s largest, to once again access foreign aid, investment and debt relief, as well as military aid. The announcement is likely to bolster Sudan’s fledgling transitional government, which came to power last year after the ouster of the strongman leader Omar Hassan al-Bashir, and has been facing protests from those calling for a quicker pace of reform.

...In exchange, American officials say they expect Sudan to take steps in coming days to normalize relations with Israel, becoming the fifth Arab state to do so, and notching a diplomatic win for Mr. Trump in the weeks before the presidential election. But that move could prove unpopular with Sudan’s populace, analysts say....

oct. 25, 2020, 10:49am

‘Ignition of new war:’ Sudan political parties reject Israel deal (Al Jazeera)

Sudanese demonstrate in the capital against the deal that several political parties say transitional gov’t is not authorised to sign...

This meddling by the USA and Israel in the internal affairs of a fragile nation which has only just overthrown thirty years of military dictatorship in a nonviolent popular uprising is very unfortunate. It's a complex issue, but the current Sudanese government is a transitional one and many Sudanese feel that it does not therefore have the authority to make major foreign policy decisions - its proper role is to try to resolve domestic issues leading to democratic elections. US pressure on the fragile transitional government to implement this unpopular decision is both unfair and unhelpful.

oct. 27, 2020, 1:28am

While Israel and its supporters in the USA are hailing this as step forward for peace, it is far more complex than that.

Sudan’s Normalization Deal with Israel Faces Hurdles (Voice of America)

unlike Israel’s recent deal with Abu Dhabi where hotels are already promoting packages for Israeli tourists, the deal with Sudan still faces several hurdles, including some public opposition...

Head of Sudan’s Largest Party Slams Recognizing Israel (Haaretz)

Sudan’s former Prime Minister Sadiq al-Mahdi on Saturday slammed an announcement by U.S. President Donald Trump that Sudan would start normalizing ties with Israel... “This statement contradicts the Sudanese national law … and contributes to the elimination of the peace project in the Middle East and to preparing for the ignition of a new war,” al-Mahdi said...

Sudan's Normalization With Israel Looks Like An American 'Quid Pro Quo' (World Politics Review)

When is a peace deal not all it’s chalked up to be, even if it ends a formal state of hostility? The Trump administration’s race to pressure Arab countries to normalize their ties with Israel, goaded by promises of American financial assistance and weapons, isn’t really changing the Middle East, despite the White House’s own publicity and some breathless, boosterish commentary...

Sudan confirms moving ahead with Israel accord, despite growing opposition (Times of Israel)

some factions within the political alliance supporting the government have voiced their opposition to normalization with Israel, including Sudan’s former prime minister Sadiq al-Mahdi, who heads the country’s largest political party... Gen. Abdel-Fattah Burhan, the head of the sovereign council, and Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok took the decision to normalize “without consultations within the sovereign council or the Cabinet”...

nov. 2, 2020, 10:18am

How US blackmail pushed Sudan to normalise ties with Israel (The New Arab)

Analysis: The normalisation deal between Sudan and Israel was the result of political and financial extortion by the Trump administration...

Editat: nov. 3, 2020, 10:55pm

In another thread I looked up some figures to respond to a poster who demanded sources documenting the fact that Israeli violence against Palestinians is far greater than vice versa. Might be worth reposting it here.

From the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs:

the number of Palestinians and Israelis who were killed or injured since 2008 in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) and Israel in the context of the occupation and conflict...

5,586 Palestinian fatalities plus 114,226 injuries

249 Israeli fatalities plus 5,624 injuries

Human Rights Watch reports for 2019:

This is a narrative report divided into different sections, so it doesn't give a single comprehensive figure, but here are a few snippets:

Israel continued to fire live ammunition at demonstrators inside Gaza who posed no imminent threat to life, pursuant to open-fire orders from senior officials that contravene international human rights standards... Israeli forces killed 34 Palestinians and... injured 1,883 with live ammunition...

During a flare-up in early May, Israeli airstrikes killed 25 Palestinians, 13 of whom were civilians killed in strikes that appeared to contain no military objective or caused disproportionate civilian loss in violation of the laws of war, while Palestinian armed groups fired 690 unguided rockets towards Israeli population centers, war crimes, killing four Israeli and two Palestinian civilians...

As of November 11, lethal force by Israeli forces resulted in the killing of 71 and injuring 11,453 Palestinians in Gaza, OCHA reported. An additional 33 were killed and 114 injured... during escalated fighting between November 12 and 14...

Attacks by armed groups in Gaza have killed four Israeli civilians and injured more than 123 Israelis...

In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli security forces killed 23 Palestinians and wounded at least 3,221... attacks by Israeli settlers killed two Palestinians, injured 84, and damaged property in 234 incidents... Palestinians killed five Israelis and wounded at least 46 in the West Bank...


Worth remembering also that attacks and assaults resulting in death or injury are not the only form of violence. Human Rights Watch also references the "practice of demolishing the homes of families in retaliation for attacks on Israelis allegedly carried out by a family member, a violation of the international law prohibition on collective punishment"; holding hundreds of thousands of people virtually as prisoners without proper access to food, water, medical treatment, education, etc; the forcible occupation of Palestinian land to build illegal Israeli settlements; and holding minors in detention.

nov. 4, 2020, 3:19am

Sudan weakened by US demands on compensation & ties with Israel (The Africa Report)

Battered by an economy in freefall, Sudan’s transitional government is paying a heavy price to access international finance...

The tension between the security holdovers from the Bashir era and the reformers under premier Hamdok is the key fissure in the current government... The worse the economy gets, the harder it will be for the civilians to maintain popular support. Then the danger will be that the military uses that loss of support as a pretext to take back full control and wipeout the transition...

nov. 5, 2020, 9:50am

Israel rebuked for 'biggest demolition of Palestinian homes in years'
BBC | Nov 5, 2020

The United Nations has rebuked Israel for carrying out what it said was the biggest demolition of Palestinian homes in the occupied West Bank for a decade.

Some 73 people, including 41 children, were made homeless when their dwellings were knocked down in the Bedouin settlement of Khirbet Humsa, in the Jordan Valley...

The Israeli military said the structures had been built illegally. (within Israeli-designated "firing zones" )

But the UN called the Israeli actions a "grave breach" of international law.

According to the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (Ocha), 76 structures - including homes, animal shelters, toilets and solar panels - were destroyed when Israeli bulldozers moved in late on Tuesday.

...Footage from the scene following the demolition, released by Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, showed the area strewn with wreckage including twisted metal, sheets and cots...

nov. 15, 2020, 12:55am

Pentagon senior adviser accused Pompeo and senior politicians of taking money and getting rich from 'the Israeli lobby' (CNN)

A new senior adviser at the Pentagon repeatedly said the United States' support for Israel was the result of "Israeli lobby" money and accused prominent officials, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, of becoming "very very rich," from their support for Israel. Retired Army Col. Douglas Macgregor, who was appointed as senior adviser to newly installed acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller this week, made the comments in two media appearances in 2012 and 2019...

des. 31, 2020, 11:07pm

Joe Biden should end the US pretence over Israel’s ‘secret’ nuclear weapons (Guardian) by Desmond Tutu

The cover-up has to stop – and with it, the huge sums in aid for a country with oppressive policies towards Palestinians...

gen. 11, 10:58pm

Israel is a non-democratic apartheid regime, says rights group (Guardian)

Israel is not a democracy but an “apartheid regime” that enforces Jewish supremacy over all the land it controls, a leading domestic rights group has alleged in a position paper bound to provoke fierce controversy.

“One organising principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group – Jews – over another – Palestinians,” said B’Tselem, an organisation that documents human rights violations...

gen. 12, 7:45am

>22 John5918:. Gee, I thought that was already self-evident and widely acknowledged.

Editat: gen. 12, 8:21am

>23 2wonderY:

Me too. But not amongst the right wing in the USA, including right wing evangelical Christians. I have been blocked on LT by one longstanding right wing evangelical Christian poster for simply saying that Biden should "reverse the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and join the rest of the international community in recognising the illegality of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land."

Editat: feb. 6, 12:14am

ICC rules it can investigate alleged war crimes in Palestine despite Israeli objections (Guardian)

Palestinian Authority welcomes ruling that could see prosecution of Israeli officials and military as well as Hamas figures...

ICC rules it has jurisdiction over West Bank and Gaza 'abuses' (BBC)

The International Criminal Court ruled on Friday that it has jurisdiction over war crimes and atrocities committed in the Palestinian territories. The judgement paves the way for the court to open a criminal investigation. Court prosecutor Fatou Bensouda had previously called for investigations, saying there was "a reasonable basis to believe" war crimes had happened...

Editat: feb. 14, 8:34pm

How the Media Cracks Down on Critics of Israel
I was fired as a newspaper columnist after I joked about U.S. military aid to Israel on social media.
by Nathan J. Robinson

It is widely recognized that critics of Israel, no matter how well-founded the criticism, are routinely punished by both public and private institutions for their speech. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has documented a pattern by which “those who seek to protest, boycott, or otherwise criticize the Israeli government are being silenced,” a trend that “manifests on college campuses, in state contracts, and even in bills to change federal criminal law” and “suppresses the speech of people on only one side of the Israel-Palestine debate.” The Center for Constitutional Rights has shown that “Israel advocacy organizations, universities, government actors, and other institutions” have targeted pro-Palestinian activists with a number of tactics “including event cancellations, baseless legal complaints, administrative disciplinary actions, firings, and false and inflammatory accusations of terrorism and antisemitism” and concludes that there is a “Palestine exception to free speech.”

The effort to keep critics of Israel quiet sometimes takes the form of explicit government action—there is an open campaign to criminalize speech critical of Israel and some states even require oaths from government employees promising not to boycott Israel. But as Israeli journalist Gideon Levy notes in the Middle East Eye, it often comes in the form of baseless (and offensive) accusations that criticisms of Israel are definitionally anti-Semitic. In the United States, academic critics of Israel have had job offers rescinded or been otherwise kept from teaching, and CNN fired academic Marc Lamont Hill over his call for a free Palestine. In Britain, there has been a years-long absurd campaign to tar former Labour leader (and critic of Israeli government policy) Jeremy Corbyn as an anti-Semite. Human Rights Watch notes that the United States government has wielded unfounded accusations of anti-Semitism against it and against other human rights groups like Amnesty and Oxfam that have exposed Israel’s shoddy human rights record. Within Israel itself, the free speech rights of Palestinians are brutally suppressed, and even Jews supportive of Palestinian rights are regularly harassed by the state. Abeer Alnajjar of OpenDemocracy wrote last year about how “major, mainstream news media outlets are sensitized against any reference to Palestinian rights or international law, and any criticism of Israel or its policies.”

Personally, I had never thought about the question of whether I could suffer consequences for criticizing the government of Israel (and U.S. support for it). I have just about as much “free speech” as you can get in this world. Perhaps I should have thought about it more, though, because as soon as I crossed an invisible line, it was very quickly made clear to me. The moment I irritated defenders of Israel on social media, I was summarily fired from my job as a newspaper columnist....

It was the Grauniad, for those keeping score.

feb. 18, 11:24pm

Israel expands nuclear facility previously used for weapons material (Guardian)

Israel is carrying out a major expansion of its Dimona nuclear facility in the Negev desert, where it has historically made the fissile material for its nuclear arsenal...