Who's the final Cylon? (SPOILERS THROUGH SEASON 3)
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I was re-watching S2 last night (in preparation for the arrival of the S3 DVDs and the start of S4), and I've got a new pick.
Theoretically, it could be almost anyone, but there are some people who it's almost certainly not (i.e. Helo, Lee), some people who it's really unlikely to be (Adama, Roslin - I just don't see the point of having Tigh/Tory be a Cylon if Adama/Roslin is as well), and some people's picks that just seem unlikely to me (Starbuck - I don't get the point of all the to-do with Leoben to realize her special destiny if she was a Cylon all along).
I think it's also probably a major-ish character, based on grounds of awesomeness - they're not going to introduce someone new or be all "um... it's Hot Dog!" after all this build-up. (Although part of me is still holding out for Jammer or Billy.)
So, after ruminating on it for the better part of the past year, I think.... it's Zarek.
I think it's either Lee or Roslyn, but I wish it were Jammer or Billy, too. Or Ellen. Or Bulldog. Zarek is a good choice, tho.
Other thoughts: I'm sure they're all going to think Starbuck is a cylon, but she won't be. I have heard a rumour that SPOILER Baltar is going to lead a cult. I can't wait for that. He's my favourite reason to watch the show.
That and the towel scenes, of course.
I think they're bringing 3 back this year too. I love Lucy Lawless.
OMG, I can't wait!
I think Billy was supposed to be a Cylon from the start, but when Paul Campbell didn't want to sign the extended contract, they kind of went "oh crap", killed him off, and replaced him with Tory. In my brain, every scene that involves Tory, she's been replaced by Billy. :)
I like my Zarek theory because it fits with the second-in-command thing... Tigh for Adama, Tory for Roslin, Zarek for Baltar. (Plus Zarek was the one who suggested settlement on New Caprica in the first place... and authorized the Circle which involved three of the other four.) Also, he wasn't on Galactica when they entered the nebula, and so didn't wind up in the gym with the other four.
I think it would be awesome if it was Ellen, I just re-watched the one where she dies.
If you're picking Zarek because of Baltar, then actually Gaeta makes more sense.
One thing that bugs me is there's too many male cylons (Leoben, Cavil, Simon, Doral, Chief, Anders, Tigh). I think the last one has to be female.
And I just realized I'm going to miss the recap show tomorrow night. I have baseball tickets.
Stll, it's female, I'm sure of it.
Did we actually think it would be otherwise?
I would also be disappointed if it were Zarek because it would kind of seem out of left field at this point. I think maybe he was meant to play a bigger role initially but then they just sort of dropped him and I can't remember the last time he showed up in an episode. Also, my whole "not all bad/ambiguous people are Cylons" thing.
Cain is dead, so what's the point of making her a Cylon? Unless she's not dead... I still haven't seen "Razor" but I ordered it today from Amazon.com! Yay!
Baltar's character loses all meaning if he's really a Cylon sleeper agent. Baltar is the most tragically flawed human on the show - he brings about the destruction of humanity due to his lust and vanity. He collaborates with the Cylons again and again, generally in order to save his own skin. More than any character, Baltar epitomizes the show's theme that humans are imperfect and commit evil, senseless acts - not all bad people are Cylons.
So who would be the final Cylon? I confess, I am kind of at a loss as to who would be a satisfying reveal. I think Adama, Roslin, Kara, and Helo are also all out, because of various things that they've been involved in that become meaningless if they are Cylons. Lee, maybe....but I just don't see it. I also don't know how someone's son can be a Cylon, unless Lee is like the original hybrid baby. All of the other minor characters seem like a disappointment or a cop-out. I mean, sure, they could make Dee a Cylon, pleasing all the Lee-Dee haters and paving the way for Starbuck to jump into Apollo's arms, happily ever after....but that seems unlikely. Cally, no. If its someone random, like Racetrack, I'll be annoyed. I guess at this point my best guess is long-time Cylon suspect, Felix Gaeta. But since its going to be the "Final Cylon" I feel like it should be someone more important. I'm at a loss.
SPOILER - Cain is dead but they could easily have her resurrect in a goo bath somewhere . . .
It would be cool to be able to watch the whole show again and find all sorts of clues but I'm not very confident that Ron Moore & whats his name thought the whole thing out from the beginning. I get more of an impression that they made it up as they went along.
Isn't Boomer model #8? So that means that the first '7' cylons are not models 1-7 and the final five are not 8-12. Perhaps the first seven are 2-7 and model #1 will be the final Cylon. It would suggest that there wasn't a chronological order to the cylons as we have been thinking...Or perhaps they didn't think ahead about this and it still will be a question at the end of the show. I fear we will still have lots of questions unanswered at the end of the show.
She is leading humanity to the wrong location for Planet Earth. Starbuck, a human, knows the right way, but the on-again-off-again cancerous Roslyn is the one.
The Cylon 'blood' helped her defeat cancer at first because it had super-cylon-antibodies that work in her cylon body. But, when those super-cylon-antibodies wore down, since she was designed to have none of her own (to make her more believable), her cancer started coming back.
Yup. Roslyn is a cylon. That's my belief, and I am sticking to it.
Unless the show turns to make this impossible. If it does, then I will come back and admit that my post here was intentionally leading people down the wrong path because I wanted to gloat over your getting caught in my trap.
Unless he's lying.
It's finally come time for me to admit it: I am the final cylon.
Our season three arrived today. BSG and Jane Austen in the same weekend. Too much good stuff.
But, the Hybrid does tend to speak in metaphors, and I could break out a doozy regarding the grad school process and clawing my way through my dissertation to get out into the light of a Ph.D. :)
It's the dagget. I always suspected that that mechanical thing was actually a dog cylon spy. I mean, geez, it's obviously a toaster-doggie.
Really, I think, maybe, it's Laura Roslin. The khamalla extract (or laetrile or herbal viagra or whatever) might have blocked the auditory hallucinations that the rest of them heard ("All Along the Watchtower.") Roslin was in the dream/shared hallucination about Hera with Caprica-Six and Sharon-Athena.
I just don't see who else it could be. Bill Adama is Lee's father, so either Lee is the real first hybrid baby or Bill isn't really Lee's father, or they're both human.
Starbuck seems too red-herring-ish.
Balthar shouldn't be, as he is really all out for himself and too ambivalent a character, and instead of sending 6 to seduce him on Caprica, they could have just activated him. (Still, neither D'Anna nor Caprica got preggers while he was on the Base Star, suggesting a sterile union, and he has that computer virus of Six in his head....)
Tom Zarek and Romo Lampkin are possible, and wouldn't it be funny if "Apollo" (from BSG 1970's) turned out to be a toaster?
Lampkin is obviously the Lucifer figure (Count Iblis) from the original BSG, (remember him?) "Lamp-kin," a lamp is a *light,* and Lucifer means "Light-bringer." Get it? In the old BSG, Count Iblis was on the side of the Cylons against the "Ships of Light" (big, singing six-pointed star thingees) that were battling for humanity's souls, the one that Starbuck obviously ran into on the gas giant, that refurbished her viper and laundered her uniform with bleach. Maybe Lampkin is the last Cylon, and a very bad dude, too. Indeed, it was about the time that Lampkin showed up on the Galactica, and from rather mysterious origins, that the other Final 4 started hearing "All Along the Watchtower."
Hmmm, I may have just changed my mind. It would be a bit cheesy to introduce him so late in the series, though. But Iblis only showed up in the final couple episodes of BSG 1970's.
(Good grief, is all that stuff about Iblis and daggets stored on my hard drive? Couldn't I remember some calculus instead of BSG 1970's drivel?)
I really hope the religion remains ambiguous. I would hate to find out that there really is a cylon god (unless it's Gaeta and he programmed them all).
After my BSG marathon over the past couple of weeks, something Leoban said in the first season has been sticking in my mind and making me think that Lee might be the one after all. Although then there is that whole pesky his father is the admiral thing.
The opening credits have that line: "ONE WILL BE REVEALED"
And once again this week, NOT REVEALED!
False advertising! Fraud! Slander! Something else very bad!
Just for my $.02 on the religion angle that this thread has segued into: I also hope that the writers don't start deus ex machina-ing everything in sight, though the literal translation of that phrase makes it ironically funny.
I am not comfortable with the kid's sudden--dare I say it--*miraculous* recovery just as Balthar got self-sacrificial. Viral enchepalitis does run that course. The large majority of people recover completely with only supportive care.
Yet, I hope that RM and the writers continue to treat religion as sociology and not supernatural, but that's my take on it, too, so I'm biased.
The arch of this season (season 4) seems to be centered around the final five and more specifically, the final unknown cylon ,("One will be revealed"). There are many speculations about who the final cylon is but I'd like to point out that although the number 12 serves as a literary motif , we learn that at the end of the pilot/miniseries that there is a '13th' colony. (Can you see where I'm going here?)
It seems that there is an underlying theme throughout the series of a hidden thirteenth. When D'anna endeavors to seek out the faces of the final five she also says, "... maybe even the face of the one that can't be named." This brings the total count to 13 not 12. Arguably one can say that this hidden/secret 13th is 'God' but the point I'm trying to make is that it's not just 12.
I wouldn't be surprised once the 'one' is revealed that there will also be an unknown or secret 13th. Since parallels are continually made, why wouldn't there be a 13th Cylon to parallel the 13th Colony?
There will be a 13th, and it's probably Kara.
Kara. What a bore that would be. Yawn.
If you were going to keep the major characters from the old series all human then Apollo shouldn't be, either.
Hokey religions and ancient prophecies are no match for a pair of big, strapping, well armed Centurions at your side, kid.
Romo Lampkin was a compelling character, but I'm leaning towards him being a mass apparition like the forms of Six, Baltar and Leoben that have been appearing in Caprica Six's, Baltar's, and Starbuck's heads.
The final 5 also broke away from the others for a reason....or where kept away. Hopefully we'll find out those answers at some point this season.
That's a cool theory, Gail! Very cool indeed.
I know some spoilers about the dad thing, but I'm not gonna say anything.
(I am sooooo old.)
OK, I don't get the hotlinking thing (I'm sooooo old).
I'm hoping they find R. Daneel Olivaw on the moon manipulating the universe as in Asimov's Foundation and Earth. They too searched for a mythical Earth and found it devastated (radioactive), but found the robot R. Daneel on the moon (he was the prototype for both Spock and Data). God would be a robot and then he would tell everyone else, as basilisksam notes, that they are robots also!
Or it could be a hedgehog.
In Season 1 & 2, i was convinced that it was Papadama, but now, I'm thinking Roslin. If it's not someone big, then why bother? I mean who cares if it's Zak Adama or Zarek?
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