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Fox News is now leftist

nov. 4, 2020, 9:10am

They called Arizona for Biden with startling alacrity. (Prematurely?) But they refused to call Florida for Trump for hours after even the New York Times meter had Trump at 95% probability of victory.

The person heading their election night coverage is a Democrat who has donated thousands of dollars to Democrats.

(Yes, I'm aware of Tucker Carlson. He's the exception.)

nov. 4, 2020, 10:17am

Fox has been moving left for a while. Look at Chris Wallace turning into his dad.

Even if it were not, it's time for another network to move away from the left-wing dominance of the media. Five hundred channels to one isn't my idea of fairness or equality. You would think that left-wingers who say they believe in such things would want greater diversity. But they don't. They want total control. Like Hitler.

Editat: nov. 4, 2020, 11:56am


What is MSNBC when 3/4's of their hosts are either former hedge fund operators and/or Wall St. traders or Bush era apparatchiks (Nicole Wallace) and former republican congressmen (Joe Scarborough leading the way)? I guess there's also a former high powered attorney or three and maybe one actual journalist to be found in the entire building. I keep hearing they're left.

nov. 4, 2020, 1:48pm

Only a fool thinks MSNBC is right wing. "MS" stands for Microsoft.

nov. 4, 2020, 2:15pm

>3 lriley: What is MSNBC when 3/4's of their hosts are either former hedge fund operators and/or Wall St. traders

Left-wing hedge fund operators and Wall St. traders.

nov. 4, 2020, 4:06pm

>5 Carnophile:
"Left-wing hedge fund operators and Wall St. traders."
Lolol. Thanks for that.

Editat: nov. 4, 2020, 4:33pm

#6--Carny makes a joke---he's a very funny guy.

One of the democrats I didn't mind to see lose this time around was NY-11 Max Rose the MSNBC favorite--one of the I think two house democrats who didn't impeach our shitbird president. He was determinedly throughout his two years trying to prove how right wing a democrat could be and crying tears every time his party wasn't appeasing the other side--it would make it so much harder for him to win again and so the republicans in his district just switched him out for the real thing anyway. They were always going to do it unless he did a Jeff Van Drew. Fuck off Rose.

nov. 4, 2020, 4:29pm

>7 lriley:
Yes his joke is awfully good. Or perhaps he's clearly misunderstood.

nov. 4, 2020, 4:32pm

#8--I think Carny's on 4-chan (or 8chan or whatever is is--the Dark Web) sometimes---sometimes over at Breitbart or the Blaze and sometimes OAN news. They're all competing against each other to see who can be the most extreme and most of the dopes on Fox aren't putting out as good anymore.

nov. 4, 2020, 4:53pm

Post 9 is a personal attack, an especially vicious one although familiar territory here, and it should be flagged.

nov. 4, 2020, 7:55pm

#10--What? What's that you say? I can't see your message. Guess I'll have to ignore.

nov. 4, 2020, 8:52pm

Yes, Fox is now "left."

As in left out with no clear audience now that they have upped the truth factor in their reporting. Pretty swift response to Shep Smith's competition as the new nightly newscaster over on wingnut-free CNBC at 7PM.

Will Donald Trump be interested in phoning in in '21, or will he devote himself to the Blaze and OAN where the "Q"s and other batshit crazy hangers-on hang out? Will Faux News hosts even pick up the phone if he does?

Both Trump and his former favorite TV network that once was the best Republican noise machine's futures look kind of SAD.

nov. 4, 2020, 9:37pm

>10 Earthling1:

So flag it.

Editat: nov. 4, 2020, 10:37pm

Fox and AP Give Biden AZ; Mathematically Impossible for Trump

Joe Biden 6 EVs shy of presidency. One state away. NV, PA, or GA? NV has 6 EVs and Biden holds lead.

US Senate now tied 48-48.

nov. 4, 2020, 10:43pm

>10 Earthling1: As of when I'm making this post, it's not flagged. If you think it's flagable, why didn't you flag it?

nov. 4, 2020, 11:41pm

nov. 4, 2020, 11:42pm

So many illegal aliens in Arizona, you have to recount it. This was the home state of Barry Goldwater. Democrats can only win if they cheat.

nov. 5, 2020, 1:10am

Talking of media, What’s being drowned out by the US election (The New Humanitarian)

Nine situations to keep an eye on as America’s presidential election hogs the international media spotlight...

nov. 5, 2020, 1:40am

#14--of the four Senate seats left the Democrats would be lucky to get even one. Sullivan is almost a sure bet to return in Alaska as is. That makes 49 republicans. Both Ossoff and Cunningham have ground to make up and Warnock is likely going into a runoff with Loeffler and though not impossible democrats luck in Georgia tends to fall short.

Editat: nov. 6, 2020, 3:40pm

>16 Earthling1: Post 9 has no flags. Perhaps you didn’t do it correctly?

Honestly, it’s laughable how many times you make the charge “personal attack” and yet you continue to do the same.

ETA My apologies; I was unaware that 2 flags are needed for any flags to show on individual posts.

nov. 5, 2020, 10:14pm

>17 Earthling1: Never thought I'd say it, but long live Californication.

Editat: nov. 7, 2020, 6:54pm

Faux TV News Is First to Give Biden 264 EVs

Did so yesterday and in spite of MSNBC and CNN holding off on such leftist optimism, Faux News persists in their communiss assumption. Only waiting to be first network to declare PA, GA, or NV for Biden and get the socialist scoop, and deep six 45 by announcing Joe Biden is America's 46th prez.

nov. 6, 2020, 1:08pm

>13 John5918: So flag it.

>15 rastaphrog: As of when I'm making this post, it's not flagged. If you think it's flagable, why didn't you flag it?

>16 Earthling1: I did.

The posters of #13 and #15 might not know that LT doesn't display a single flag on a post. At least two flags are required for them to show.

nov. 6, 2020, 1:12pm

>5 Carnophile: Left-wing hedge fund operators and Wall St. traders.
>6 mikevail: Lolol. Thanks for that.

George Soros says "You're welcome."

nov. 6, 2020, 2:19pm

Mr. Flagman.

nov. 6, 2020, 2:27pm

>23 Carnophile: At least two flags are required for them to show

Interesting how many of the posts that Earthling earnestly informs us ought to be flagged never seem to make it to two flags.

nov. 6, 2020, 2:39pm

Can't stop waving the Trump-Pence flag? But now that it says LOSERS, gotta drop it -- fast! Pick up another flag!! The one that says, "WATB."

Ah, the grievance culture of certain white males when they get back that with which they bully. Makes one wonder if all those illegal white supremacist militia gangs just discovered African Americans own guns, too?

Asking for a friend.

nov. 6, 2020, 3:39pm

>23 Carnophile: Thanks, Carny; I wasn’t aware of that. I thought the process worked the way it does on reviews.

nov. 6, 2020, 4:00pm

As we approach the country's 250th anniversary, people who can think and
reason have become the enemy of the people who prefer to return to the
"good old days" of the mid 1900's. We are already 20% into the 21st
Century and time-travel doesn't exist.

nov. 6, 2020, 5:50pm

>24 Carnophile:
You found one, good on you. You're good at this game. Try another: "Female US Vice Presidents". I'll give you until January 21st to answer

nov. 6, 2020, 10:46pm

More than 500,000 Australians demand probe into Rupert Murdoch's media empire (CNN)

"We are especially concerned that Australia's print media is overwhelmingly controlled by News Corporation, founded by Fox News billionaire Rupert Murdoch, with around two-thirds of daily newspaper readership," the petition said. "This power is routinely used to attack opponents in business and politics by blending editorial opinion with news reporting"...

nov. 6, 2020, 11:56pm

Any "right-wing news outlet" must be outlawed. All journalists must be left wing, says Big Brother.

nov. 7, 2020, 6:51am

Rupert Murdoch-owned US outlets turn on Trump, urging him to act with 'grace' (Guardian)

Multiple Rupert Murdoch-owned conservative media outlets in the United States have shifted their messaging in a seeming effort to warn readers and viewers that Donald Trump may well have lost the presidential election. The new messaging appears to be closely coordinated, and it includes an appeal to Trump to preserve his “legacy” by showing grace in defeat...

nov. 7, 2020, 7:07am

>33 John5918: I saw this as I was reading my various newsfeeds this morning. While I don’t think it’s possible for Mr. Trump to act with grace, it was refreshing to see the Murdoch Corporation accepting what is becoming a reality.

nov. 7, 2020, 9:57am

All right wingers must be killed.

nov. 7, 2020, 10:27am

I'm sure Donald Trump will snatch Dobbs, Hannity, O'Reilly and accused rapist, Ed Henry -- all Foxy men -- for his own (not OAN) personal self-laudatory cult TV network. Heck, Trump will even snatch Roger Ailes from Hell to work in his capacity as a zombie to be the Director of Lauds.

That should be Trumpty-Dumbpties' idea of Make Heaven Great Again, and the end of the Evil Murdoch Empire, which has had a pivot-away-from-Trump moment because advertisers have fled due to Roger's proclivity for hiring male criminal deviants.

Since Trump is such a successful businessman conman, I expect he'll develop a scheme that will siphon oodles of cash from the deep pockets and delusions of his most devoted acolytes.*

* Trumpese for cult fans.

nov. 7, 2020, 10:47am

>35 Earthling1:

You really surprise me. Much of your posting is unashamedly right wing, and then suddenly you come out with this bit of hate speech and incitement to violence: "All right wingers must be killed". Mood swings? Do you include yourself in the right wingers who must be killed?

nov. 7, 2020, 10:58am

>35 Earthling1:

Apparently, the White House agrees with you. It's going about making the attempt as I type.

Dude, you sure are plugged in to all the secret conspiracies, aren't you? Were you "Q" of Anon? I only ask because QAnon abruptly went dark Election Night. Yet, you seem to know all about their kind of dark plots.

Just connecting the dots.

nov. 7, 2020, 5:56pm

>35 Earthling1:

I suspect that the member is attempting to make a "point," but, as has often been discussed, we don't judge posts on their context. It's not out mission to ferret out whether someone's "All X must be killed" is or is not ironic.

I am accordingly suspending the member for one day.

nov. 7, 2020, 9:30pm

Orange Hitler is now facing criminal conviction and jail for both bank fraud and tax fraud in the state of New York. I think that is the story now. The election is fucking over, so let's move on to the "Lock Him Up!" story. Somebody start a thread.

nov. 7, 2020, 10:48pm

Rupert Murdoch’s daughter-in-law urges Fox to ‘put country above profits’ (Independent)

Rupert Murdoch’s daughter-in-law has urged Fox News to “put country above profits” and report truthfully that there has not been widespread electoral fraud...

nov. 8, 2020, 10:48pm

Business will always be more important to Rupert Murdoch than Trump (Independent)

One of the main characteristics that Rupert Murdoch and Donald Trump share is a distaste for losers. As the Australian media mogul’s US channels and newspapers turned against Trump this week, culminating in not so subtle appeals for him to concede on Friday, it became clear that Murdoch believes the US president now falls squarely in that category...

We should not give too much credit to Murdoch’s outlets for some sudden shift towards responsible journalism... for Murdoch and his media empire, the election result matters a lot less than what it means for his businesses. After years backing a president who has done more than any other to undermine facts, he was not able to change them on the ground of this election. Murdoch can see that as clearly as anyone, and is acting accordingly...

Editat: nov. 9, 2020, 1:19am

The so-called shift in Fox Media bias is probably due to Murdoch's bottom line concerns, The advertising revenues he experienced in the heyday of his TV "news" channel has suffered serious inroads as advertisers fled when the vitriol, lying, and shrill bigotry expressed by his hosts combined with the male stars' sexual deviancy way past harassment.

Murdoch was willing to live with that, but not charges of rape, after his income declined when money was pulled out in the hundreds of millions (or more) when sexual crimes being the norm at Fox News was made public. Cancel culture does the trick.

He can no longer afford Trump.

If I believed Murdoch were an actual thinking man, I'd venture that he warned Trump off. The basis being Murdoch doesn't want to risk being pushed by Trump and his supporters into becoming the Voice of Sedition. That is where Trump is headed with his vengefullness and his followers will go all the way with him by answering his dog-whistles with armed insurrection/domestic terrorism on a big scale. That would mean the end of his media Empire in the land that gives him his biggest wealthiest audience.

Editat: nov. 10, 2020, 12:58am

Malcolm Turnbull clashes with News Corp's Paul Kelly over climate coverage (Guardian)

Malcolm Turnbull says News Corp has become an organisation for “pure propaganda” that has done enormous damage through its promotion of climate change denial. In a heated exchange on Monday night’s Q+A, the former prime minister and the Australian’s editor-at-large, Paul Kelly, clashed over the media organisation’s treatment of climate science. Turnbull told the program that News Corp had gone from being an organisation that “tended to lean more right than left to become pure propaganda”...

'Whoa' – Fox News cuts off Kayleigh McEnany for 'illegal votes' spiel (Guardian)

Fox News has cut away from a briefing held by the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, during which she repeated Donald Trump’s refusal to accept defeat in the presidential election and doubled down on allegations of voter fraud, for which there is scant if any evidence...

Editat: nov. 11, 2020, 3:49am

>17 Earthling1: This was the home state of Barry Goldwater. Democrats can only win if they cheat.

By that logic, Barry Goldwater must have cheated like hell. Here's Goldwater's election: . Besides Arizona, he took South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. South Carolina last voted Republican in 1876, 88 years before Goldwater; Alabama and Mississippi in 1872, 92 years before Goldwater, and Georgia had never voted for a Republican in the history of the United States of America.

1856 was the first Republican candidate for President, so we can either believe that Georgia broke with 108 years of tradition (104, if we don't count 1864?) or Goldwater is a cheating thief. And if we can believe that Georgia broke with 108 years of tradition for Goldwater, we can believe that Arizona, which voted for Bill Clinton in 1996, voted for Biden in 2020.

nov. 11, 2020, 9:32am

Australian parliament to probe Rupert Murdoch’s media dominance (Al Jazeera)

Australia’s parliament will launch an inquiry into media ownership, a prominent senator said, after more than half a million people signed a petition demanding a probe into Rupert Murdoch’s dominance of the news industry...

In launching the petition, Rudd decried News Corp as a “cancer on our democracy” operating an effective “monopoly”. “This power is routinely used to attack opponents in business and politics by blending editorial opinion with news reporting,” the petition stated. “These facts chill free speech and undermine public debate”...

nov. 12, 2020, 9:18am

Editat: nov. 12, 2020, 6:17pm

Likewise, contempt for anyone who dares not question Breitbart fake media. FACT: It is not press, nor is it news; it is an aggregator of mostly incendiary right-wing opinion and unsubstantiated "stories" by "authors" and talk radio show personalities whose imposture as journalists is ridiculous.

Breitbart = Infotainment for wingnut-jobs.
P.S. Breitbart's founder is this guy.
Steve Bannon, who is currently facing criminal charges for his role in a scam fund to build a border wall that appears to have been funneled into his pocket, caused controversy when he posted a video calling for FBI Director Christopher Wray and COVID-19 task force expert Anthony Fauci to be beheaded. Facebook took down the video — and removed a set of Bannon-controlled pages spreading disinformation about the election — but left up Bannon’s main page.
That's the source of your source.

nov. 12, 2020, 6:34pm

Worse Than Fox or Breitbart -- OAN

OAN forced to delete fake story about voter fraud — after Trump promotes the conspiracy theory.

Damn well better question RWNJ "news" media. They're all fake or faker, or faker than that.
OAN cited a report they said came from Edison Research that confirms the voter fraud. The problem, however, is that Edison Research has never heard of this report. The Dispatch reported, and Raw Story confirmed, that Edison Research wasn’t even part of an effort to examine voter fraud.
Did Edison Research Find That States Deleted Trump Votes or Switched Votes to Biden?


nov. 24, 2020, 10:59pm

Fox News' Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson distance themselves from Trump (Guardian)

Rush Limbaugh also distances himself from president’s efforts to overturn his election defeat by Joe Biden...

nov. 25, 2020, 12:58am

Republican Senators Bill Cassidy--Louisiana and Shelley Moore-Capito have joined Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, Susan Collins, Pat Toomey, Lisa Murkowski and Rob Portman in acknowledging that Biden won the election. I do expect at least several more between now and the Georgian runoff. I also imagine if disgruntled Republicans cost David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler in Georgia--most all those Senate republicans who haven't yet acknowledged Biden will do it then.

nov. 25, 2020, 11:31am

Five hundred channels to one isn't my idea of fairness or equality.

nov. 25, 2020, 2:00pm

>52 Earthling1:

Five hundred to one? Maybe you should ask for a recount.

nov. 25, 2020, 2:24pm

There aren't both sides of the news story when you're a journalist. There's the facts that are reported, which is how you get -- as close as is humanly possible -- to the truth.

When you're a listener and a reader, that's when two-siderism raises it's deceitful head. The audience is the decider in today's "I know better" conspiracy circles. But it's merely banal self-delusion.

Revisions for accuracy and corrections of inaccuracy by journalists and journalistic media don't change the facts or truth, contrary to what the "I just want to own them" class thinks. Similarly, withdrawal of a story when lied to by witnesses, or continually unfolding factual revelations, just like in a lawsuit, doesn't make the story or the suit specious.

What the right wing and O'Keefe, in particular, try to do by creating fake news is an attempt to feed their trolls and to discredit facts because they can't handle the truth. The truth exposes them as fakes. The truth will out. That's why he and they are consistently exposed for what they are.

When you live in a house of lying cards, expect it to come down around you. Evidence: Trump lost the election big time, fairly and legitimately and irrevocably. His cray-cray lawsuits, tweets, and rants notwithstanding.

nov. 25, 2020, 3:10pm


nov. 25, 2020, 3:11pm

the right wing and O'Keefe???

Editat: nov. 25, 2020, 6:14pm

>52 Earthling1: I'll just call up the Party and they'll inform the media they better get right on that if they want to be sanctioned by the state. Oh, wait, we live in a capitalist democracy where the media is independent of the state and not itself one unified block. Where, for better and worse, anybody with money can get a transmitting license and in the days of the Internet even the limitation of money is vastly diminished.

It's funny how so much of the right wants this capitalist system, but then when it doesn't work out the way they want, they want the government to come step in and change things. You put "liberty" and "individualism" above "fairness" and "equality", you get a system that doesn't value "fairness" and "equality", and your complaints about said system are hypocritical.

nov. 25, 2020, 11:27pm

"we live in a capitalist democracy"???

nov. 26, 2020, 10:26am

Somebody seems to be having trouble with his English.

nov. 26, 2020, 11:14am

the Party

nov. 26, 2020, 11:15am

>60 Earthling1: Flagged as trolling

nov. 26, 2020, 11:17am

own words quoted=trolling?

nov. 27, 2020, 5:49pm

Faux News discovered the truth has a liberal bias, just like right wingers declared even before they were full-blown nut jobs. Viewership drops as the deluded flee to OAN where they can be protected from anything approaching fact.

Editat: nov. 27, 2020, 10:29pm

60 another false use of flagging, itself a violation

nov. 27, 2020, 11:10pm

Trolling is indeed not a violation of the Terms of Service. It's also very much in the eye of the beholder.

nov. 28, 2020, 7:14am

>65 timspalding:
Thanks for the accurate info. I wasn’t aware of this.

nov. 28, 2020, 10:05am

I have never engaged in trolling, though I was called a troll from day one by people who don't know what it is.

nov. 28, 2020, 10:59am

My apologies to anyone whose posts I flagged in error.

des. 4, 2020, 1:32pm

"Federal election records show that Murdoch has donated to far-left Democratic politicians including John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Anthony Weiner and even Hillary Clinton, for whom he hosted a fundraiser in 2006, just preceding her first presidential campaign. Reporting on the fundraiser, CBS News’ Dan Collins, exclaimed that 'Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton.'

But it does not stop there. FAIR, a liberal media group, even bragged about how much Fox News (through its parent company News Corp.) was donating to Hillary Clinton during her 2016 campaign against Trump. FAIR wrote:

"All of the broadcast giants are on board. Clinton is the largest individual recipient of campaign donations from Comcast (NBC News, MSNBC), Time Warner (CNN), News Corp (Fox News), CBS Television and Walt Disney (ABC News)."

des. 4, 2020, 1:32pm

False flags should be removed.

des. 4, 2020, 2:23pm

>69 Earthling1:

Just a small correction. Not by any stretch of the imagination could John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton be described as "far-left". I don't know who the other two are.

Editat: des. 4, 2020, 2:59pm

>71 John5918: LOL. Chuck Schumer is the deeply centrist Democratic minority leader in the Senate. He's only "far left" is in the sense that he's "far to the left of Hitler". In terms of American politics, he's representing a moderate liberal position, but if he were in England, I imagine he'd probably be a Tory. Anthony Weiner hasn't been a politician at all for about ten years, since he was ejected from office after sending pictures of his naughty bits to people who were not his wife.

The thing that Weiner, Schumer, and Clinton have in common is that they all are or were influential politicians in New York, which is a big market for Murdoch's business, which explains why Murdoch was donating to them. I would be not be at all surprised to learn that Trump had donated to all three of those politicians, for very similar business reasons.

Edit: actually was replying to John. (no use replying to someone who does not generate their own content)

des. 4, 2020, 2:50pm

"but if he were in England"

I'm not in England. Neither is Schumer. Are you?

des. 4, 2020, 2:51pm

Years ago Trump was a Democrat. People here never take into account the ramifications of that. He learned. He changed his mind and his behavior. A good example for everyone.

Editat: des. 4, 2020, 6:06pm

A. We must try to broaden our horizons and realize the the US, while large, somewhat important in terms of military and economy, and populous, is not the be-all and end-all of countries. The narrow provincial point of view went the way of the dodo bird with the advent of world shipping, and heavens, air travel.

B. Trump learned all right. He learned that he couldn’t get elected alderman if he remained a Democrat. They would have quickly exposed him for the unspeakable boor that he is and shown him the door.

Edited for typo

des. 4, 2020, 7:22pm

I think the behavioral change Trump displayed is "He got worse." And 81 million voters for Biden certainly learned what Trump's example is good for -- un-Americanism.

Only his Republican enablers and deluded supporters haven't. Their examples of which further teaches us that some people can only hope to aspire to the bottom of the barrel

des. 4, 2020, 11:33pm

I hope you are both working on your apologies. You have a feast of crow to eat.

Editat: des. 5, 2020, 6:46am

Do you actually follow the news? Are you keeping up with the court rulings?

Editat: des. 5, 2020, 6:51am

>78 bohemima: Such as this one:

Trump's latest batch of election lawsuits fizzle as dozens of losses pile up (Guardian)

President no closer to overturning result, with just one small victory in a month’s worth of cases...

Editat: des. 5, 2020, 10:46am

Deleted by me

des. 5, 2020, 10:50am

des. 5, 2020, 11:09am

Turning tables again; so original

des. 5, 2020, 3:21pm

Which is itself turning the tables, so...just an echo...

Editat: des. 5, 2020, 5:07pm

Did I not write, "deluded supporters"?
Watch the news? OAN, Newsmax, and RWNJ bobblehead talk radio don't report news like "Federal judge on Trump’s Supreme Court shortlist smacks down lawsuit to overturn Georgia election." Scares the little snowflakes who are their audience. So they stick to lies and propaganda slanted to sustaining the delusionals' delusions.

Editat: des. 5, 2020, 5:04pm

>80 Earthling1: Good lawyering (for once). Not sure I buy it, though. Watched about 2/3. Wish I had time and expertise to unpack the specifics of the consent degree which Eastman alleges to be prima facie illegal insofar as it allegedly to conflict with Georgia statute, thereby invalidly purporting to abrogate the plenary power of the Georgia legislature to determine the means of elector selection. Unfortunately, that seems to be the main crux of his case. Anybody have some good legal analysis?

des. 5, 2020, 5:24pm

>84 Earthling1: on the contrary; simply following your excellent example, as shown in so many places.

des. 5, 2020, 7:40pm

>85 Limelite: You are using the word "delusion" incorrectly.

des. 5, 2020, 8:18pm


des. 5, 2020, 8:59pm

Not only neo-Nazis and soup Nazis, but we've got grammar Nazis now. How low have we sunk as a Nation!?

Editat: des. 6, 2020, 9:36am

Interesting comment on the press in the classic BBC comedy Yes, Prime Minister (YouTube)

des. 6, 2020, 11:49pm

Sharyl Attkisson testified before a Senate committee:

"Under Trump, the press very publicly announced it was suspending its longstanding journalism ethics and guidelines to cover someone they claimed was uniquely dangerous.

They began carelessly publishing information from anonymous sources "without evidence," even when such sources repeatedly proved wrong.

When I was at CBS News, we followed strict guidelines as to when and how anonymous sources could be used.

For example, anonymous sources were to be used only as a last resort if the information could not be gathered in another way. We were to disclose with as much specificity as possible any conflicts of interest the party might have and what type of position or access that person held or holds.

Now, instead of quoting others, journalists merely make claims and determinations themselves, blending their opinion into hard news reporting, telling people which side is supposedly correct rather than letting the public decide. They even declare information to be fact as if they had personally confirmed it, when they could not possibly have done so.

des. 6, 2020, 11:51pm

>89 bohemima: Imitating me again.

des. 6, 2020, 11:55pm

echo echo echo

des. 7, 2020, 12:29am

>92 Earthling1: Not the most bullshit claim I've heard, but still. We can talk Dan Rather and the infamous letter about W's time in the Texas Air National Reserves, and we could talk about how in 2017, a woman told the Washington Post about how Roy Moore attacked her, and instead of reporting it, they discovered she worked for Project Veritas (sic) and was lying to them.

telling people which side is supposedly correct rather than letting the public decide.

Postmodernism is bad when it means that liberals are talking about how we should listen to multiple sides, but it's good when liberals are pointing out that certain things that are facts. Since when has the job of the media been tell people that "Joe says that blue and red are different colors, but Jim says they're two words for the same color"? The media shouldn't hesitate to call a lie a lie.

They even declare information to be fact as if they had personally confirmed it, when they could not possibly have done so.

That's almost an "all Cretans are liars" level statement. Has she personally confirmed this claim? Can she prove they haven't bugged the White House? This stinks of someone using epistemology to attack their enemies, instead of having sane coherent rules on what should be reported as fact.

It's weird how she writes Fox News out of existence, who defended themselves against libel claims by saying that Tucker Carlson can't be taken seriously. Again, this strikes me as partisan, not academic or honest.


des. 7, 2020, 12:57am

"The media shouldn't hesitate to call a lie a lie. "

Bullshit victorian do-gooder elitist racist paternalism.

Editat: des. 7, 2020, 1:04am

>96 Earthling1: "The media shouldn't hesitate to call a lie a lie. "

A major part of their role is to inform the public. The media might well report the lies, but it also reports the facts which demonstrate the lie to be a lie.

Bullshit victorian do-gooder elitist racist paternalism.

Good grief. What's that supposed to mean?

des. 7, 2020, 2:52am

>96 Earthling1: Bullshit victorian do-gooder elitist racist paternalism.

One of my increasing frustrations with Republicans, which is also a frustration of many liberals, is that it doesn't seem like there's any philosophical foundations, that any argument that "wins" is good. There's a lot of meat in >92 Earthling1: about what the role of the media should be, and academics have spent their lives discussing it. Instead, you post >92 Earthling1: and yet on another thread make a flat assertion about Dan Coats on something you can't have personally confirmed, without citing who told you or what their biases are. Apparently the media calling a lie lie is "bullshit victorian do-gooder elitist racist paternalism", but that doesn't mean anything for what you do or believe. It just seems you don't like what the media is saying today, more than you having a philosophical or epistemological reason for disagreeing with "The media shouldn't hesitate to call a lie a lie."

Editat: des. 7, 2020, 7:07am

#98--he's just stringing words together that ultimately don't mean a thing apart from it being a way of showing his own disapproval.

The 24-7 and other major media sources have been taking sides forever. This is nothing new or unexpected. Donald Trump turned it into a thing. He is unable to look at or respond to any kind of critique other than to add it to his personal grievance and paranoia which he shares with other bozos who turn it into their own personal grievance and paranoia. So and so 'said mean things about me' is what it comes down to. Since when has there every been a presidential administration that hasn't been severely criticized by the other side's and even occasionally their own side's media? It strikes me that Donald T. was a spoiled crybaby as a child and has carried that forever throughout his life.

Just the title of this thread speaks though to how successfully DJT has passed his crybaby-ness to others.

Editat: des. 7, 2020, 10:05am

"It doesn't seem like there's any philosophical foundations"

See my catalog. Read my books. Start with Aristotle. End with Zmirak.

des. 7, 2020, 8:04am

The media lies when it says "no evidence of fraud". There's a mountain of evidence.

des. 7, 2020, 8:10am

>101 Earthling1: There's a mountain of evidence.

But as yet none of it has convinced a judge nor indeed the electoral authorities in any key states, whether Republican or Democrat.

des. 7, 2020, 10:03am

>102 John5918: Yes it has.

des. 7, 2020, 10:07am

>103 Earthling1:

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Which states are you referring to?

des. 7, 2020, 10:11am


Editat: des. 7, 2020, 10:21am

>105 Earthling1:

Hm. If there are "a mountain" of them I don't suppose I'd need to dig very far, although so far the digging seems to be fairly unproductive. I keep finding dozens of cases (a veritable "mountain", indeed) where the judges and/or electoral authorities of both political stripes have remained unconvinced by the "mountain" of "evidence" presented, but I haven't yet found the "mountain" of cases where they have been convinced. Strange.

des. 7, 2020, 2:38pm

>96 Earthling1:

CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox, on occasion, agree with you. They shut down conspiracy touting Trumpty-Dumbpty sycophants who egregiously lie when being interviewed and refuse to air Trump press briefings rants when he takes the mic (but no questions).

That's because the facts/truth have a liberal bias, as conservatives have told us for years. Or, as you prefer, reality is Leftist! Lying is the favorite pastime of Trump and the preferred indulgence of his lickspittle followers. Reactionary Righties can't handle the Truth, so they're relegated to the slime bucket media market of the likes of OAN.

Heavens! Even a Newsmax spokesdoc, Bob Lahita, MD (?), blasted Giuliani for being a superspreader on TV. That's gotta hurt.

Well, as you know, I'm all out of 'thoughts and prayers.' Tough.

des. 7, 2020, 2:45pm

Climb then.

des. 7, 2020, 3:06pm

>109 Limelite: Hallelujah. One conservative columnist who understands that anyone who denies the simple fact that Biden won the election is a straight-up liar and needs to be held to account for it - now, and forever.

des. 7, 2020, 3:14pm

Amen. Or in layman's terms, "IT'S OVER!"

des. 20, 2020, 10:37pm

Fox News retracts Smartmatic voting machine fraud claim in staged video (Guardian)

Fox News has taken a further step back from Donald Trump’s baseless allegations of election fraud with a bizarre apparent legal retraction aired during shows hosted by some of the president’s most fervent supporters...

des. 21, 2020, 7:11pm

Even "Newsmess" debunked Trump's stolen election claims. Worse yet, Tellyvangelist Pat Roberson is saying, "IT's OVER. YOU LOST. MOVE ON."
The outgoing president, said Robertson, "lives in an alternate reality" and "is very erratic," in footage posted by Right Wing Watch. Robertson said to Trump, "You've had your day and it's time to move on" — and added that Trump should not try to run again in 2024.
What's next? A mass movement of evangelicals arming themselves, storming mega-chruches across the land, and threatening the lives of the grifters who've been bilking them for years? I'm looking at you, Joel Osteen. Imagine -- Woke Christianists!

Is OAN all that's left of RWNJ Crackpot TV?

If the Republican Party finishes destroying itself in internecine civil war this last month before Biden and sane government take the helm of this country, and Trump's evangelical nut base calls it quits with white supremacy "religion," then I have to conclude that 2020 can't have been all bad!

des. 22, 2020, 3:24pm

Trumpty-Dumbpties Worship Their Putin Puppy President but hate their "Leftist" TV Station

'Violence is coming from the right': Fox News attacks conservatives over armed COVID protests.
Fox News host Sandra Smith reported. "Oregon police have had violent confrontations with left-wing groups. Now the violence is coming from the right."

Correspondent Jonathan Hunt reported that police are expecting an extended "battle with right-wing groups, including Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer.

"The protest, with many taking part unmasked, was organized by the Washington-based right-wing group Patriot Prayer," he added. "So if law enforcement officials in Oregon thought they might get a break from protests post-election, it seems they were badly mistaken, only the political motivations of the protesters have actually changed."
Aside from the false equivalency that the BLM and Anti-fa protestors are just the same as the armed gangs of Af-Am murdering, government-threatening, and cop-killing advocates that belong to RWNJ gun-sucking domestic terrorists, there's really no difference. Uh-huh.

gen. 2, 11:04pm

The fall of Fox?: how rising rightwing media outlets could topple the conservative giant (Guardian)

Once Trump’s darling, Fox has seen its favorability decline among GOP supporters with the rise of OAN and Newsmax...