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2020: November election and beyond... (XV)

1margd
nov. 14, 2020, 8:28pm

Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Bob Christie and Nicholas Riccardi (AP) | Nov 14, 2020

Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/14/ploy-flip-elec...

2lriley
nov. 15, 2020, 7:15am

#1--apparently some people in Lansing think they outnumber people in Detroit. It's up to something like a 140,000 vote lead for Biden in Michigan. Republican Senator Pat Toomey took affront that the Pennsylvania election was rigged. He's not one of the President's men on this. Even Rick Santorum doesn't believe Trump here. I'm surprised at the Republican leaders in Wisconsin though--I would think that would be right up their alley.

3Molly3028
Editat: nov. 15, 2020, 8:11am

Trump and his cult voters are losers. They always have been and they
always will be losers. The only thing which differentiates Trump from his
cult voters is the fact that fate gave him a super-rich daddy-o.

https://time.com/5910256/covid-19-presidential-election-outcome/?utm_medium=emai...

The Political Coronavirus Paradox: Where the Virus Was Worst, Voters
Supported Trump the Most

4jjwilson61
nov. 15, 2020, 9:49am

Its not really a paradox because the causality probably goes in the other direction. People who support Trump don't take precautions against the virus and therefore get it in greater numbers.

5proximity1
Editat: nov. 15, 2020, 12:01pm

(from Zero-Hedge)
"Trump Law Firm Quits Pennsylvania Case After Project Lincoln 'Cancel' Campaign"
| by Tyler Durden | Fri, 11/13/2020 - 14:45




While no reason was given for the decision by Porter Wright Morris & Arthur LLP, Bloomberg notes that it was one of two law firms targeted by the Lincoln Project - a group of 'never-Trump' Republicans devoted to removing Trump from office.

On Tuesday, the group encouraged people to join LinkedIn and target individual employees of Porter Wright and another law firm, Jones Day, and "Ask them how they can work for an organization trying to overturn the will of the American people."
...

"Leftist mobs descended upon some of the lawyers representing the President’s campaign and they buckled," said campaign communications director, Tim Murtaugh. "If the target were anyone but Donald Trump, the media would be screaming about injustice and the fundamental right to legal representation. The President’s team is undeterred and will move forward with rock-solid attorneys to ensure free and fair elections for all Americans."

Here's another 'cancel' crusader bragging about the left's latest scalp:


UPDATE: On Wednesday, Popular Information reported on the corporate clients of Porter Wright, a prominent law firm helping Trump try to undermine democracy in court

Late Thursday, Porter Wright announced it would no longer represent the Trump campaign https://t.co/MzjXb94Bgs pic.twitter.com/xmJhv35fQe
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) November 13, 2020

...


___________________________

Boycott "Twitter", "FaceBook" "WhatsApp", "Instagram", and similar so-called "free" "social-media" sites. They're poison.



Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump·2h
He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!

This claim about election fraud is disputed



I'm "proximity1" and I "Like" this "Tweet". (But I refuse to join "Twitter"!)

6bohemima
nov. 15, 2020, 2:13pm

>5 proximity1: Twitter is indeed poison. And a lot of that is down to the Twit in Chief.

7margd
nov. 15, 2020, 2:15pm

Sauce, meet most deserving gander, e.g.,

Donald Trump's war on Jeff Bezos, Amazon and the Washington Post
David Goldman | May 13, 2016
https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/13/technology/donald-trump-jeff-bezos-amazon/

A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel culture'
Daniel Dale | July 7, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fact-check-trump-cancel-culture-boycotts...

Absolutely Despicable’: Ohio Leaders React To President Trump For Calling For Goodyear Boycott
August 20, 2020
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/08/20/ohio-leaders-lash-out-at-president-tr...

8Limelite
nov. 15, 2020, 3:38pm

IMHO, The only thing that could delight me more than Trump's defeat in 2020 is if he actually does try to run again in 2024.

Is there any such thing as double indumbnity?"

9kiparsky
nov. 15, 2020, 3:45pm

>6 bohemima: Well, to be fair twitter's been a bit of a shit pit for a long time. I mean, it's a platform designed to reduce human communication to the level where it's easy for machines to interact with it and manipulate it. It was only ever going to amplify the worst of humanity... which is probably what attracted His Donaldness to it in the first place.

10Molly3028
Editat: nov. 15, 2020, 5:02pm

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-allies-explored-buyout-of-newsmax-tv-as-fox-n...

Trump Allies Explored Buyout of Newsmax TV as Fox News Alternative

It appears that GOP conspiracy theories have become a go-to-drug
product that Trump and his buddies want to invest in. Our democracy
is locked in a fasting-falling elevator.

11lriley
nov. 15, 2020, 5:29pm

Twit-ter has always been Trump's communication platform of choice. If you don't want to go there of course you shouldn't but this is where Donald has been happiest and this is the platform that he's helped to build.

12bohemima
nov. 15, 2020, 5:41pm

>9 kiparsky: LOL

I know he simply took (is taking) advantage of the lowest platform to spout his...less than factual boring commentary on events.

I was mostly in a tiny bubble where not much nonsense could get through, but even so I had to just walk away.

13Limelite
nov. 15, 2020, 7:52pm

I feel a post coming on about what the future may hold for the Trump spawn. Their status seems tenuous to me. Assume they escape imprisonment. Then what? If they're unable to destroy the Republican Party by threatening to take it over, then I'll sit idly by and gloat when they start up the TRUMP PARTY.

C'mon, man. You KNOW they want to brand a political party more than anything else. You know they want to SELL memberships in it to the gullible. And you know in very short order such an entity will die an ugly death, just like this presidency is.

What could be more entertaining? Besides, with Biden in office, late night host will need Generation T-2 to kick around because they won't have Don-Boy to kick around any more for laughs.

14proximity1
Editat: nov. 16, 2020, 10:58am




If you had a MSM so dedicated to vilifying your every word and deed, throwing up a wall of media-created and managed noise which you had to pierce just to reach the public with your version of the facts, you, too, would resort to Twitter. The MSM assured this by its treatment of Trump from well before his election to office.

What I find more interesting than Trump's resourcefulness in fighting a guerrilla war with the MSM is how little the corporate media's forces have been able to do to actually alter public opinion, move it decisively against him.

The MSM has an even larger credibility deficit than Trump. A life-long Democrat until the advent of the Clintons, for whose first-term campaign I voted but never again after, and, as one who saw Bill Clinton as both wrong and wronged--by the campaign to oust him from office over, basically, semen-stains on a dress and his lies about the circumstances of their getting on that dress--I've watched this same corporate media pursue a long effort to gain and hold a decisive role as the effectively decisive definer and arbiter of electoral politics' "truth" and "reality" in its own self interests and to the immense detriment of the nation as a whole. Decades of concerted, careful and methodical effort have been invested in this MSM's design to remake U.S. electoral politics with itself in the key role, effectively exercising an extra-legal, extra-Constitutionally-provided check and veto on the electorate's wishes as they are expressed at the ballot-box by this MSM's own capacity to simply rule on what those ballots are and were according to its own interpretations and projections.

To put it briefly, the MSM has largely succeeded--before Trump's stout refusal to go along--in an effort to make "reality" seem to conform to its projections which are simply the MSM's world-view for millions of people who either lost or never had much acquaintance with or practice in critical-thinking. These people are easy prey to this MSM's power.

All these circumstances go hand-in-hand with the immense influence of social media's giants--Twitter, FaceBook, WhatsApp, Instagram, Pinterest, Google and others--to warp, distort, manipulate and manage the view of reality of millions of people around the world who have little idea of how things appear to others who do not inhabit their own ideologically-insulated bubble.

Such people look for and receive a constantly self-referential and reinforcing image of reality which is designed to comfort and reward their addiction to this gratifying picture. It's a vicious circle in which questioning and doubt are scoured from the landscape.

The formerly-operative conception of what constituted a genuine open-mindedness has been replaced by a alternate conception of that, a pseudo-open-mindedness which is designed to be not just painless but comforting.

Real open-mindedness isn't and can never be fully and reliably painless, let alone comforting.

15lriley
Editat: nov. 16, 2020, 8:37am

#14--what started off as Whitewater ended up a run of the mill sex scandal that morphed into sex scandals for a variety of republican house managers trying to prosecute Clinton.......see Newt Gingrich, Robert Livingston, Dan Burton and this other hard charger from Illinois (I can't remember his name). Later on we'll also see another self important Illinois republican from that same time Dennis Hastert destroy himself via sex scandal. The republican party changed the narrative again and again and the land fraud thing was hardly a blip on the radar at the end. Speaking of the main prosecutor Kenneth Starr---(a Reagan guy)---he makes his name with his relentless assault on Clinton's sex life but then later on he's defending Clinton and Trump's buddy Jeffrey Epstein tooth and nail. What gives with that?--really? I mean what the fuck. How can anyone even think of defending these asshole republicans here? They're all for fucking sale and they're all as bad if not worse as their target.

FWIW I think Bill Clinton is a piece of shit. I have not wavered from that assessment since 1993 and the media more than less loved him but it's not the media that drove the republican party and Starr down the rabbit hole of sexual misconduct with a White House intern. That was Starr and the Republican managers not following up on the land fraud issue. They're the ones that felt turning the thing into something salacious to feed red meat to their moral majority friends was the way to go. Speaking of which Falwell Jr.--look where he is now. You send a posse of scumbags out to catch a much cleverer scumbag and what do you get--a keystone cops version of the dumbass scumbags--stepping in their own shit all the way. They all turned out looking like idiots and hypocrites and deservingly so and they only made Clinton more popular than he was before.

16kiparsky
Editat: nov. 18, 2020, 11:45am

>14 proximity1: The fantasy of the "Mainstream media" as a sort of left-wing cabal is wearing a little thin, don't you think? I mean, you have a spectrum of national print and print/web hybrid dailies (NY Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal) that are all pretty much centrist in their reporting and offer a bit of variety in their opinion writing, and you have some weekly and monthly periodicals on both sides and in the middle, and you have the talking-head media, which frankly, is a waste of time but seems to be wasting time in a similarly close distribution around moderate. The only place where you have serious bias is in the entertainment sector of the news media, and frankly that was invented by the right wing and is still owned by the right one the radio side. The right hasn't been able to find anyone funny enough to do comedy news from the right, but that's probably because conservatives are only funny unintentionally. On the other hand, they do own the 2-minutes-hate angle, and that seems to be the flavor that resonates with right-wingers in any case.

So maybe you should just come off it. You're not fooling anyone with this - the media is basically centrist for the same reason national politicians are basically centrist: because that's where most of their audience lives.

(edited to fix punctuation)

17lriley
Editat: nov. 16, 2020, 12:50pm

When you watch shit like this:

https://www.yahoo.com//news/south-dakota-er-nurse-recalls-151800579.html

.....it's not hard to figure how why you might vote for a pretty awful duo in Biden/Harris rather than continue on with the orange piece of shit who's blithely sat around for months with his thumb up his ass encouraging Governors like Kristi Noem to do absolutely nothing to stop the spread but instead cheerlead her to have her superspreader events.....the nurse here explaining even some of the dying not able to accept that they are victims of the virus---going to their deaths still believing the lies that Donald and his friends continue to peddle.

18proximity1
Editat: nov. 18, 2020, 10:31am




"Imagine if Joe Biden had enjoyed a healthy lead on election night only to see it evaporate as the numbers dripped in from Republican strongholds.

"Does anyone believe the mainstream media would have rushed to anoint Donald Trump the winner? Would the New York Times, Washington Post, NPR and other outlets have cast the inevitable Democrat demands for ballot reviews and recounts as a constitutional crisis or would they have run wall-to-wall coverage about the inherent problems associated with mail-in ballots?

"We don’t have to imagine the answer – just recall 2016 when the same liberal news organizations that are damning Trump as a tyrant and suggesting he might be planning a coup cheered and facilitated Democrat efforts to delegitimize Trump’s victory by claiming he was a crooked businessman who had colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the election." ... (emphasis added)





full commentary: J. Peder Zane, 17 November, 2020
"What If Biden Were Seeking Recounts?"
COMMENTARY | By J. Peder Zane"


Now, unfortunately, today's Democrats don't even possess either the imagination or the honesty to seriously pose or consider this question.

That's how f'****d-up things are today.

"Tick ... Tick ... Tick ..."

19kiparsky
Editat: nov. 18, 2020, 10:25am

>18 proximity1: "Does anyone believe the mainstream media would have rushed to anoint Donald Trump the winner?

Presumption built into this question: "the media rushed to anoint Joe Biden". This is obviously false, and dishonest, but I expect nothing less from your preferred sources.

The answer, though is simple: Why not? Have you forgotten 2000?

20Earthling1
nov. 18, 2020, 11:37am

"the media rushed to anoint Joe Biden". This is obviously false"

Oh, obviously...

21Earthling1
nov. 18, 2020, 11:38am

"the orange piece of shit"

Gross. What have you been eating?

22Earthling1
nov. 18, 2020, 11:39am

"the nurse here"

What's this?

23Molly3028
Editat: nov. 18, 2020, 1:36pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joy-behar-slams-party-over-country-republicans-amid-...

Joy Behar Slams ‘Party Over Country’ Republicans Amid Trump’s Ongoing
Election Dispute: ‘Don’t Lecture Us Anymore About Patriotism’

My take ~ The Trump era reveals that the patriotism of modern-day GOPers
is one inch deep. Lincoln and Our Founders must be shedding a waterfall of
tears for America.

24margd
nov. 18, 2020, 2:24pm

Trump continues quest not to overturn Biden's large margin, but to disallow vote in largely black, Dem large cities--this time Milwaukee, (Paying attention, Georgians?)

Trump campaign to seek partial recount in Wisconsin
Jeff Zeleny and Casey Tolan | November 18, 2020

...The Trump campaign is limiting its Wisconsin recount requests to Milwaukee County and Dane County, according to a press release from the campaign. The money paid by the Trump campaign would be enough to pay for recounts in these counties, which are Democratic strongholds.

Milwaukee County contains Milwaukee, the state's largest city and home to the largest Black population in Wisconsin. Biden beat Trump by 317,251 votes to 134,355 in that county, according to unofficial results from the Wisconsin Election Commission.

Dane County includes the state capital of Madison, home to a many college-age voters at the University of Wisconsin. Biden won that county with 260,157 votes to 78,789 votes, according to unofficial results from the Wisconsin Election Commission.

Counties that undergo a recount will have 13 days to recount all their votes, starting on Thursday, according to procedures announced by the Wisconsin Elections Commission. The commission must certify the final results by December 1...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/trump-campaign-wisconsin-recount/index.h...

25margd
nov. 19, 2020, 7:48am

Wisconsin recount gets off to a rough start as Elections Commission repeatedly clashes
Patrick Marley| Nov 18, 2020

...The three Republicans and three Democrats on the Wisconsin Elections Commission clashed repeatedly in a late-night virtual meeting as they tried to establish guidelines spelling out how clerks should conduct the recount during the coronavirus pandemic.

...after 5 ½ hours of often rancorous debate, the commission unanimously approved the recount. The commissioners inability to get along suggested the recount will be brutal and will likely end in a courtroom.

...The commissioners argued over issues minor and significant, including how to consider claims that absentee ballots were illegally issued and where observers could station themselves....

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/18/wisconsin-recount-gets-o...

26proximity1
nov. 19, 2020, 8:02am



‘Experts’ Listed 27 House Races As Toss-Ups. Republicans Won All 27
By Cabot Phillips • Nov 17, 2020 DailyWire.com

https://www.dailywire.com/news/experts-listed-27-house-races-as-toss-ups-republi...

27lriley
nov. 19, 2020, 8:08am

#25--it would seem to me that the democrats tying this process into knots with delay tactics and pushing this exercise beyond its limitations could put the republicans roughly in the same spot as Gore during the Florida recount and it would be good quid pro quo. Basically you lost (not only because you got out margined in votes) because you ran out of time. In other words a good way for Wisconsin democrats to say to Wisconsin republicans--fuck you.

28margd
Editat: nov. 19, 2020, 8:36am

As defeats pile up, Trump tries to delay vote count in last-ditch attempt to cast doubt on Biden victory
Trump allies allege widespread voter fraud then refuse to provide evidence
Amy Gardner, Robert Costa, Rosalind S. Helderman and Michelle Ye Hee Lee | November 18, 2020

President Trump has abandoned his plan to win reelection by disqualifying enough ballots to reverse President-elect Joe Biden’s wins in key battleground states, pivoting instead to a goal that appears equally unattainable: delaying a final count long enough to cast doubt on Biden’s decisive victory.

On Wednesday, Trump’s campaign wired $3 million to election officials in Wisconsin to start a recount in the state’s two largest counties. His personal lawyer, ­Rudolph W. Giuliani, who has taken over the president’s legal team, asked a federal judge to consider ordering the Republican-controlled legislature in Pennsylvania to select the state’s electors. And Trump egged on a group of GOP lawmakers in Michigan who are pushing for an audit of the vote there before it is certified.

Giuliani has also told Trump and associates that his ambition is to pressure GOP lawmakers and officials across the political map to stall the vote certification in an effort to have Republican lawmakers pick electors and disrupt the electoral college when it convenes next month — and Trump is encouraging of that plan, according to two senior Republicans who have conferred with Giuliani and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter candidly.

But that outcome appears impossible. It is against the law in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin law gives no role to the legislature in choosing presidential electors, and there is little public will in other states to pursue such a path...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-strategy/2020/11/18/94fbe...

29margd
Editat: nov. 19, 2020, 1:12pm

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump | 7:59 AM · Nov 19, 2020:

Important News Conference today by lawyers on a very clear and viable path to victory.
Pieces are very nicely falling into place.
RNC at 12:00 P.M.

_____________________________________

Never mind--just a Trump and Rudy show, sounds like:

David Corn (Mother Jones) @DavidCornDC | 12:16 PM · Nov 19, 2020:
.@RudyGiuliani is claiming now there was not a "singular voter fraud" in key states but a "plan" that was mounted "from a centralized place" to "execute these various acts of voter fraud." And the judges are in on it. So it's a deep, dark, national conspiracy. But...no evidence.
Image ( https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1329473552756641796 )
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Craig Mauger (Detroit News) @CraigDMauger | 12:41 PM · Nov 19, 2020
Rudy Giuliani just discussed ballots he claims were illegally cast in Michigan
(based on anecdotal affidavits with allegations that haven't been proven).
Then, he said:
"It changes the result of the election in Michigan, if you take out Wayne County."

30margd
nov. 19, 2020, 4:39pm

>29 margd: WHAT?!

Josh Marshall @joshtpm | 1:08 PM · Nov 19, 2020:
Sidney Powell, Mike Flynn's lawyer now working for Trump, says the election was rigged by "communist money" and a scheme devised by the late Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuala.
1:33 ( https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1329486814558752769 )

31margd
Editat: nov. 19, 2020, 6:15pm

Trump team in court:
1 win. 29 losses.
- Claire McCaskill clairecmc | 2:24 PM · Nov 19, 2020

Now 30 losses. They just lost another case, in Arizona.
- George Conway @gtconway3d | 4:05 PM · Nov 19, 2020

ETA
It was 30 to 1, but Trump has since lost in Pennsylvania, so its 31 to 1.
- Marc E. Elias @marceelias | 4:55 PM · Nov 19, 2020

ETA
NEWS: A federal judge (appointed by Trump) has rejected the Trump campaign’s efforts to block the vote certification in Georgia. Judge Steven Grimberg found it "would breed confusion and potential disenfranchisement." -via @PeteWilliamsNBC
- Geoff Bennett @GeoffRBennett | 6:07 PM · Nov 19, 2020

32Molly3028
Editat: nov. 19, 2020, 5:29pm

I, for one, am thrilled that Trump decided to become a GOPer in the autumn
of his life. This Trump era is going to be an anchor around the necks of the
GOPers into eternity. In the meantime, people around the world are sadly
witnessing the meltdown of America a few years before its long-awaited
250th anniversary. We saved the world during WWII. Who or what is going
to save us from our own stupidity, now?

33Limelite
nov. 19, 2020, 10:23pm

Georgia "Rushes to Anoint" Joe Biden Victor -- TWICE!

Georgia manual recount confirms Biden victory. Biden now near 80M total popular votes thanks to Trump insisting on recounts and audits (he sure does know audits). That's your landslide folks. Not even close.

Thanks for sticking your nose into none of your business, Lindsey. If Trump won't pay you for performing black ops against election integrity, I'm sure the Democrats will!

IIRC, Democrats have set up a Go Fund Me page for Julie Annie to try to come up with $20,000 for his "day's work" in PA court that got the judge so pissed, he wouldn't even wait as long as he said he'd wait for Trump's legal team to "update" its filling. He just said, "F^ck you and the elephant you rode in on."

35margd
nov. 20, 2020, 10:23am

Wolf Blitzer (CNN) @wolfblitzer | 7:51 AM · Nov 20, 2020
Very disturbing headlines in the Friday morning @nytimes and @washingtonpost
Image--photo ( https://twitter.com/wolfblitzer/status/1329769354519605248/photo/1 )

36lriley
nov. 20, 2020, 6:32pm

According to Forbes these are the Republican governors and federal lawmakers who have acknowledged that Biden won the election:

Governors--Larry Hogan-Maryland, Phil Scott-Vermont, Charlie Baker-Massachusetts, Gov. (elect) Spencer Cox-Utah, Mike DeWine-Ohio, Chris Sununu-New Hampshire, Asa Hutchinson-Arkansas.

U.S. Senators--Mitt Romney-Utah, Ben Sasse-Nebraska, Susan Collins-Maine, Lisa Murkowski-Alaska

U.S. Congresspeople--Adam Kinzinger-IL 16, Fred Upton-MI 6, Tom Reed-NY 23, Don Young-Alaska (at large), Don Bacon-Nebraska 2, John Curtis-Utah 3.

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These are Republican Senators who think that Biden probably won--Pat Toomey-Pennsylvania, Marco Rubio-Florida, Kevin Cramer-North Dakota, Mike Rounds-South Dakota, John Cornyn-Texas.

37margd
nov. 21, 2020, 2:25am

Beyond Michigan, AZ and GA certification:

Maricopa county has unanimously certified the 2020 General Election canvass.
- The AZ - abc15 - Data Guru @Garrett_Archer | 8:12 PM · Nov 20, 2020
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'Bring it on, I'm not backing down':
Arizona top election official Katie Hobbs holds fast against attempts to undermine the state's election
Grace Panetta | November 20, 2020

Arizona's top election official Katie Hobbs is preparing for Arizona counties to certify their election results by Monday's deadline, despite efforts from the state Republican Party to halt certification.

"We've been in communication with all the counties and the election officials have told us they don't anticipate any delays in certification," Hobbs, a Democrat elected in 2018, told Insider in a Friday interview.

In addition to efforts to undermine the integrity of Arizona's election, Hobbs says she's faced vitriolic attacks and threats on her safety — ones she says she was prepared for after a career in politics.

"I've pretty much taken the stance of bring it on. I'm not backing down," Hobbs told Insider. "And frankly, a lot of the things that people are asking me to do aren't even legal, and there's no justification."...
_____________________________________________

Georgia's GOP governor and secretary of state certify Biden win, quashing Trump's longshot attempt to overturn results
Marshall Cohen, Jason Morris, Amara Walker and Wesley Bruer | November 20, 2020

Republican Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Friday signed the paperwork that officially grants the state's 16 electoral votes to President-elect Joe Biden.

...State law required Kemp to award Georgia's electoral votes to the certified winner of the presidential election. A federal judge on Thursday rejected a last-ditch lawsuit that tried to block certification, and Biden's victory was certified Friday afternoon by Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

...Biden won Georgia by 12,670 votes, or 0.26% of the nearly 5 million ballots cast statewide...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/politics/georgia-certify-secretary-of-state-raffe...

38Molly3028
Editat: nov. 21, 2020, 7:20am

GOP reps are refusing to appear on TV news shows because they don't want
to have to answer questions about Trump's post-election actions. Many of
these reps are the lunatics that moron voters just re-elected. Resentment-
filled, intentionally misinformed voters are destroying America. Putin and
his ilk around the globe could not have wished for a more spectacular 2020
gift.

39margd
nov. 21, 2020, 9:50am

BREAKING: Nevada Court DENIES right-wing group's effort to block Nevada from certifying the election results.
Trump and his allies are now 2-33 in post-election litigation.

ALERT: VICTORY
Nevada Election Integrity Intervention
September 10, 2020
https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/nevada-election-integrity-intervention/

- Marc E. Elias (Dem lawyer) @marceelias | 8:19 PM · Nov 20, 2020

40Molly3028
Editat: nov. 21, 2020, 11:17am

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/The-Founders-didn-t-prepare-for-a-president...
The Founders didn't prepare for a president who refuses to step down, historians say

"The Constitution says a president's term expires after four years. That's it."

I believe what is taking place in our country today is an outgrowth of
wingnut radio hosts and guys like R. Murdoch and their hires over-riding the
common sense of resentment-filled people for greed and entertainment and
purposes.

41Limelite
nov. 21, 2020, 1:03pm

I'd give $1000 of my own money to be the one who gets to stand in front of Don-Boy, point my finger in his face, just like Nancy Pelosi, lean forward over the Resolute desk, and say to Donald Trump, in tones dripping with disrespect and disdain equaled only by his own, "You're expired!"

Then, morph into a British judge, bang my gavel loud and sharp, and with a somber adjustment of my wig and a scowl that would melt ice cream in a freezer, pronounce, "Take him down."

(I have a very rich fantasy life. It comes from eating a lot of REAL Key lime pie.)

42Molly3028
Editat: nov. 21, 2020, 6:06pm

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/21/liz-cheney-trump-election-438997
If Trump cannot prove his voter fraud claims then the president should
respect "the sanctity of our electoral process," the chair of the House
Republican Conference said.

I imagine LC has decided that being on the right side of history would be a
good thing for her and the GOP going forward.

43margd
Editat: nov. 22, 2020, 7:24am

Pennsylvania: Guiliani doesn't convince fed court of mail-in vote issues. Giuiliani appeals...

U.S. judge calls Trump claim challenging Biden win in Pennsylvania 'Frankenstein's Monster'
Jan Wolfe, Tom Hals | November 21, 2020

...The Trump campaign had sought to prevent (PA) officials from certifying the results of the election in the state.

U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, described the case as “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations...(court) “has no authority to take away the right to vote of even a single person, let alone millions of citizens...This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together,” 8

Brann, nominated by former President Barack Obama, is a Republican and, according to his biography, a member of the Federalist Society, a group of conservative and libertarian lawyers, law students and scholars.

Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani...“Today’s decision turns out to help us in our strategy to get expeditiously to the U.S. Supreme Court”**...will ask the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia to review the ruling on an accelerated timetable...A majority of that circuit’s judges were nominated by Republican presidents. Four were nominated by Trump.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-pennsylvania-idUSKBN2810WR

* https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.1...

** photo of Giuilani 1p statement ( https://twitter.com/wordygrrrrl/status/1330335289571749891/photo/1 )

__________________________________________________​

...Trump and his allies are 2-34 in post-election court cases.
- Marc E. Elias (D lawyer) @marceelias9:19 PM · Nov 21, 2020

44margd
nov. 22, 2020, 6:00am

Georgia taxpayers will pay for Trump's re-recount:

Trump campaign asks for another Georgia recount
A second try would be by machine and would not address the president's concerns about matching signatures with ballots for people who voted by mail.
Julia Jester and Dennis Romero | Nov. 21, 2020

...Under state election rules the campaign is within its rights (seeking a second recount of presidential election votes in Georgia after the first one did not turn out in his favor); the first hand recount, completed Thursday and certified Friday, had been automatically triggered by a new state law.

Campaigns can request an additional machine recount if a vote margin is within 0.5 percent. The final certified results had Joe Biden at 49.51 percent compared to Trump at 49.25 percent for a margin of 0.26 percent.

Unlike in Wisconsin – where the Trump campaign had to pay $7.9 million upfront to cover the statewide cost – the bill for recounts in Georgia is footed by taxpayer-funded local jurisdictions.

State officials have not provided a total cost estimate, but Fulton County, Georgia’s most populous, estimates a recount could cost around $200,000...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-campaign-asks-another-georg...

45margd
Editat: nov. 22, 2020, 7:29am

Trump's last card after courts, sedition: start a war? declare martial law to hold on to power?

CENTCOM: B-52s from Minot Air Force Base sent to Middle East Saturday
Joe Skurzewski | Nov. 21, 2020

MINOT AIR FORCE BASE, N.D. (KMOT) - B-52 Stratofortress crews assigned to the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot Air Force Base conducted a “short-notice, long-range mission” in the Middle East Saturday, according to U.S. Central Command.

According to CENTCOM, the mission was intended to “deter aggression and reassure U.S. partners and allies.”

...According to Bill Urban, a spokesman for CENTCOM, the bombers integrated with at least four other national defense elements.

It’s unclear how many aircraft or crew members from Minot were involved in the mission...

https://www.kfyrtv.com/2020/11/22/centcom-b-52s-from-minot-air-force-base-sent-t...

__________________________________________________​

Scott @scottinankeny | 8:54 PM · Nov 21, 2020:
https://twitter.com/scottinankeny/status/1330328755018096641
Any offensive action taken against any adversary in the Middle East will involve cruise missiles fired from ships and submarines. The mighty B-52 is a symbol of American military might but I highly doubt it would be involved.

__________________________________________________​

Chris Morris camorris | 9:05 PM · Nov 21, 2020:
https://twitter.com/camorris/status/1330331567210844160
Not good. Seeing how Trump wants them launched off our flattops with good ol' reliable steam vs those magnets.

__________________________________________________​

Perhaps military brass know how to handle this? e.g.,

SartreWasHere @EtInVacui · 9h
Here’s exactly how this is playing out (I hope), @TheRickWilson.

Trump: I want to stop Iraq’s nuclear threat.
Gen Milley: Do you mean Iran,Sir?
T: Sure, we should bomb them. What’s our biggest bomber?
GM: I think, by payload, that’d be the B-52, sir.
T: Okay. Send them.
1/?

Gen Milley on phone in earshot of PotUS: Send B52’s to the Middle East.
Bomber Command: What?
GM: Send them.
BC: Why?
GM: PotUS says so.
BC: But, why?
GM: To bomb Iran’s nuclear sites.
BC: Does he know we don’t have suitable ordnance?
GM: I do. Send them.
2/?
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Israel...

Pompeo visits Israel: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54999008

Trump cancels Thanksgiving trip to Mar-a-Lago:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8959929/Donald-Trump-CANCELS-Thanksgivi...

46margd
nov. 22, 2020, 7:46am

Floyd County election director fired after audit reveals 2,600 votes went uncounted
Angelina Velasquez | Nov 19, 2020

...A County Board of Elections member says (Floyd County election director Robert Brady)'s termination is due to "breaking an HR policy for how employees should behave" and being reprimanded twice in six months.

In a virtual press conference Monday, the Secretary of State's Voting Implementation Manager Gabriel Sterling* said the uncounted ballots were not scanned properly. "It'll change the margin by around 800 votes," said Sterling. He called the issue a "human error."

Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger**...called for Brady to step down after the voting blunder.

https://www.cbs46.com/news/floyd-county-election-director-fired-after-audit-reve...

--------------------------------------------------​
* Gabriel Sterling @GabrielSterling | 9:23 PM · Nov 21, 2020
So this is fun...multiple attempted hacks of my emails, police protection around my home, the threats.
But all is well...following the the law, following the process...doing our jobs.

** James Hohmann (WaPo) @jameshohmann | 9:47 AM · Nov 19, 2020:
Brad Raffensperger's wife got these texts on her cell this week:
“You better not botch this recount. Your life depends on it.”
“Your husband deserves to face a firing squad.”
“The Raffenspergers should be put on trial for treason and face execution.”

The Daily 202: The corrosive consequences of GOP leaders humoring Trump as he sows doubt in democracy
James Hohmann | November 19, 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/daily-202-corrosive-consequen...

47Molly3028
nov. 22, 2020, 8:07am

Recounts from now until dooooomsday will not change the outcome. True
red, white and blue Americans have voted out the life-long con man.

48margd
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 7:05am

From CNN interview with Carl Bernsein, sounds like R leadership is beginning to think about an intervention (?).

Carl Bernstein (journalist & author) @carlbernstein | 10:10 PM · Nov 22, 2020:
https://twitter.com/carlbernstein/status/1330710304519405569

I'm not violating any pledge of journalistic confidentially in reporting this: 21 Republican Sens–in convos w/ colleagues, staff members, lobbyists, W. House aides–have repeatedly expressed extreme contempt for Trump & his fitness to be POTUS. (1/3)

The 21 GOP Senators who have privately expressed their disdain for Trump are: Portman, Alexander, Sasse, Blunt, Collins, Murkowski, Cornyn, Thune, Romney, Braun, Young, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Rubio, Grassley, Burr, Toomey, McSally, Moran, Roberts, Shelby. (2/3)

With few exceptions, their craven public silence has helped enable Trump’s most grievous conduct—including undermining and discrediting the US...electoral system.

More from my appearance earlier on cnn: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-fQq8koZM7M&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=CB
(3/3)

49margd
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 7:35am

>45 margd: Middle East, contd.

Pompeo just visited Israel, then Saudi Arabia. "Make nice, and we'll bomb your common enemy"?
Iran and Palestinians pay in Trump quest for Nobel Peace Prize?

Netanyahu Held Secret Meeting with Saudi Crown Prince, Amid Talk of a Deal
The visit on Sunday night was the first known meeting between high-level Israeli and Saudi leaders.
Ben Hubbard, David M. Halbfinger and Ronen Bergman | Nov. 23, 2020

...Mr. Netanyahu’s visit was first reported by Army Radio and Kan public radio in Israel, which cited unidentified officials saying that the prime minister had flown with Yossi Cohen, the head of the Mossad spy agency, to Neom, a futuristic city Prince Mohammed is planning near the Red Sea coast. The reports did not detail the content of the meeting, but did note that the leaders discussed Iran, which both countries consider a major threat, in addition to normalization...

...Secretary of State Mike Pompeo...met with Prince Mohammed on Sunday night. Mr. Pompeo’s plane landed in Neom at 8:30 p.m. and departed three hours later.

...The website Flightradar24, which provides live flight tracking, showed a flight leaving Tel Aviv on Monday around 7:30 p.m. which then dropped off the radar near Neom about an hour later. The same plane reappeared and flew back to Tel Aviv after midnight....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/world/middleeast/israel-saudi-netanyahu-visit...

50lriley
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 8:00am

#49--there is more than just one actor here. If I'm Biden's people and Netanyahu and Bin Salman with the help of Pompeo and an outgoing Trump administration gin up some war with Iran I'm cutting both Israel and Saudi Arabia loose when I come in--meaning the alliance with either along with any military or civilian aid would be pulled and possible sanctions against Israel and Saudi Arabia might be coming as well. You act like a rogue regime and you should get treated like one.

All that said I don't think Biden goes there but IMO the last thing we need is to involve ourselves in another middle eastern conflict and he'll need to get tough with bad actors including if they're supposed 'allies'.

51margd
nov. 23, 2020, 8:54am

The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln | 5:00 PM · Nov 22, 2020:
There are Republicans waiting in the wings, waiting for their turn to dismantle democracy.
We are watching. And so is the world.

1:07 ( https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1330632146898231296 )

52margd
nov. 23, 2020, 9:47am

Scoop: Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman says Trump lost
Hans Nichols, Jonathan Swan | 11/23/2020

...CEO and co-founder Steve Schwarzman — one of President Trump's most loyal allies — and other top Republicans are signaling to the defeated president (It's over).

..."I'm a fan of good process," Schwarzman said. "In my comments three days after the election, I was trying to be a voice of reason and express why it's in the national interest to have all Americans believe the election is being resolved correctly. But the outcome is very certain today, and the country should move on...I supported President Trump and the strong economic path he built. Like many in the business community, I am ready to help President-elect Biden and his team as they confront the significant challenges of rebuilding our post-COVID economy."

Schwarzman's signal is more meaningful in Trumpworld than any of the messages so far from corporate America. Trump's top aides have undisguised contempt for some establishment business groups. But not Schwarzman...

https://www.axios.com/blackstone-ceo-stephen-schwarzman-trump-biden-61c711ba-112...

53Molly3028
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 11:09am

Anthony Scarammucci ~

"The Sidney Powell situation is classic Trump. Coerce people into lying, and
then fire them for following his instructions. A death cult where everyone
drinks the poison except for him."

Someone on the Internet joked that Powell's stay was half a Scarammucci.

54Molly3028
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 11:08am

Aquest missatge ha estat suprimit pel seu autor.

55margd
nov. 23, 2020, 4:24pm

Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejects (yet another) Trump lawsuit, emphasizing that any problems alleged
"do not warrant the wholesale disenfranchisement of thousands of Pennsylvania voters."

Full opinion here: http://pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-118E-2020oajc%20-%2010461419112...

- Joshua A. Geltzer (frmr WH, DOJ) @jgeltzer | 3:16 PM · Nov 23, 2020

56kiparsky
nov. 23, 2020, 4:27pm

>55 margd: Next gambit we can expect them to try: "Oh, yeah, but that's just their opinion! What does that judge know, anyway?"

57Limelite
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 6:06pm

Trump LOSES at State Supreme Court & One of Earlier Victories Overturned
1 for 37. . .How humiliating is that?

58Limelite
nov. 23, 2020, 5:43pm

Biden Wins Michigan -- Again.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Michigan%20AGAIN%22&src=trend_click&vert...

OK, Li'l Mis GSA, Emily, time to get over yourself and your "stanmance" of Trump. Contempt of Congress charges will be your just reward for behaving like you took an oath to Donald Trump, not the Constitution.

59Molly3028
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 7:38pm

>58 Limelite:

She finally gave up this evening. The GOP reps acting in tandem against
Trump worked better than having only one or two that he could easily
shame.

60Limelite
nov. 23, 2020, 7:35pm

GSA Concedes to President-Elect Biden

THE LETTER

The actual salutation: Dear Mr. Biden
The correct salutation: Dear President-Elect Biden

". . .this letter to make services and resources available to you."

Whine
Whine
Whine
Cover My A$$

Here's your money.

Sincerely,

Emily "Trump is My God, You Are Satan" Murphy

61lriley
Editat: nov. 23, 2020, 9:16pm

Feinstein stepping down as top democrat on the Senate Judiciary committee--which is good because 1) she's super conservative for a democrat and 2) her recent bizarre performance at the Coney Barrett hearing for Supreme Court Justice where she heaped praise on the pick and then hugged (maskless by the way) Lindsey Graham (unless she had Covid why would she do that?--just joking-we all know Graham is a very nice approachable guy). She says she wants to concentrate on climate issues which I suspect means belittling and chasing off junior high and high school kids from the Sunrise Movement whenever they dare try to talk to her.

62Molly3028
Editat: nov. 24, 2020, 12:32pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html
Dow rallies 500 points to surpass 30,000 for the first time!

Drudge Report: Stocks Soar On Trump Exit / DOW Tops 30,000

63lriley
nov. 24, 2020, 2:44pm

Pennsylvania and Nevada certifying Biden/Harris today.

64margd
nov. 24, 2020, 3:28pm

Trump's Pants on Fire claim about votes exceeding voters in swing states
Jon Greenberg | November 23, 2020

....Our ruling
Trump said that in key swing states, there were more votes than people voting, "in big numbers."

There is zero proof. If he meant there were more votes cast than registered voters, election data show the opposite. In the six key states we examined, there were between several hundred thousand and 2 million more registered voters than votes cast.

If he meant that there was a lot of double voting, his lawyers have provided no evidence to back that up. States use careful systems to prevent that from taking place.

We rate this claim Pants on Fire!

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/23/donald-trump/no-there-have-not...

65margd
nov. 24, 2020, 3:30pm

Nevada

Marc E. Elias @marceelias | 3:23 PM · Nov 24, 2020:
BREAKING: Nevada Court REJECTS Republican challenge to the use of mail ballot processing machine and request for new election.
Trump and his allies are now 1-36 in post election litigation.

ALERT: VICTORY IN NEVADA
Latest Republican lawsuit challenging 2020 election results in Nevada fails in court.
https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/nevada-mail-ballot-machine-challenge/

66Molly3028
Editat: nov. 24, 2020, 3:34pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/527378-rubio-signals-opposition-to-biden-cab...
Rubio signals opposition to Biden Cabinet picks

Rubio appears to be upset because Biden isn't including any lowlife
Russian-connected grifters in his administration!

67margd
nov. 26, 2020, 6:16am

Pennsylvania. 69 votes?!

Adam Klasfeld (Law & Crime) @KlasfeldReports | 6:02 PM · Nov 25, 2020

Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court REJECTS the Trump campaign's appeal challenging certain mail-in/absentee ballots in Bucks County.

Read how it ends here.
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/trump-campaign-attorneys-admit-there-is-no...

Image ( https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1331734911850590209/photo/1 )

68margd
nov. 26, 2020, 6:53am

The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln | 7:27 PM · Nov 25, 2020:

The Lincoln Project Gives Thanks
1:52 ( https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1331756305409839105 )

69Molly3028
nov. 27, 2020, 8:34am

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-hayes-we-may-soon-see-what-it-wouldve-looked-l...
Chris Hayes: We May Soon See What It Would’ve Looked Like If Nixon ‘Pardoned Everyone on His Way Out’

My take ~ In the long run, Trump's presidential shenanigans will most likely
make historians look much more kindly upon Nixon and his era.

70margd
Editat: nov. 27, 2020, 11:07am

>49 margd: contd. And so it begins?

Gili Cohen @gilicohen10 · 31m
Muhsain Fakhrizadeh, Iran's head of the nuclear program, was assassinated near Tehran.
In 2018, Netanyahu marked his name and suggested to remember his name
Image--Nethanyahu marking Fakhrizadeh's name ( https://twitter.com/gilicohen10/status/1332322467474509831/photo/1 )

Oren Kessler @OrenKessler | 9:21 AM · Nov 27, 2020
Netanyahu was in Saudi Arabia this week meeting crown prince Mohammed bin Salman - just saying

"Christopher Miller, Trump’s surprise acting defense secretary, has a thin resume for the job but deep experience in counterterrorism...Director of the National Counterterrorism Center..."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-defense-secretary-chris-...

ETA:
Iran FM: Indications of Israeli role in scientist’s killing
JON GAMBRELL | 11/27/2020

...“In the last days of their gambling ally’s political life, the Zionists seek to intensify and increase pressure on Iran to wage a full-blown war,” (Hossein Dehghan, an adviser to Iran’s supreme leader and a presidential candidate in Iran’s 2021 election) wrote, appearing to refer to U.S. President Donald Trump. “We will descend like lightning on the killers of this oppressed martyr and we will make them regret their actions!”

The killing comes just days before the 10-year anniversary of the killing of Iranian nuclear scientist Majid Shahriari, which Tehran also blamed on Israel. Those targeted killings came alongside the so-called Stuxnet virus, believed to be an Israeli and American creation, that destroyed Iranian centrifuges...

https://apnews.com/article/dubai-iran-united-arab-emirates-nuclear-weapons-israe...

71lriley
nov. 27, 2020, 11:48am

#70--this if it goes off is probably the most fucked up thing Trump will put on the incoming Biden administration. If MBS and Netanyahu think they can manipulate US foreign policy so easily I'd be cutting them the fuck off--closing their embassies in the United States and sending all their diplomats home---no more military or financial aid either.

72margd
nov. 27, 2020, 1:27pm

>71 lriley: most fucked up thing Trump will put on the incoming Biden administration

If he can spark a war, Trump may think he can ward off Biden presidency by declaring an emergency? In press release he said:

"Certainly I will (leave the White House on Jan. 20, Inauguration Day)— and you know that...but I think that there will be a lot of things happening between now and the 20th of January, a lot of things."
https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/26/939386434/trump...

73margd
nov. 27, 2020, 1:48pm

Pennsylvania

Steve Vladeck @steve_vladeck | 12:31 PM · Nov 27, 2020
Here is the unanimous, 21-page opinion by the Third Circuit rejecting the Trump campaign's appeal in the Pennsylvania case, written by (Trump appointee) Judge Bibas:
https://justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Trump.pdf

As Judge Bibas writes:
"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

The Trump campaign has the right to ask #SCOTUS to review this decision, and it has the right to ask the Court for an injunction pending appeal. But as Judge Bibas's opinion makes clear, try as they might, this lawsuit has no chance of succeeding.

Note also that Chief Judge Smith (the presiding judge) would have *assigned* the opinion to Judge Bibas — the one Trump appointed on the panel.

I’m not sure how a panel of three Republican-appointed judges could send a clearer, stronger message to all involved that this is over.

--------------------------------------------------​

Harrison Lansing @HarrisonLansing · 59m
"Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections."
- Judge Bibas in the concluding statement beginning on Page 20.
All that should need to be said.

74Limelite
Editat: nov. 27, 2020, 2:29pm

At every level, Trump election lawsuits get more scathing the higher up the chain of appeals they go. Why? Incompetence, ill-considered filings, absence of legal evidence or reliable witnesses at every turn, unqualified representation, and lack of preparation undermining any hopes of gravitas before the bench.

More on Judge Bibas' 21-page blistering decision and the future of Trump's appeal.
. . .given the narrow way the Trump campaign structured its appeal, it would not get much even if the U.S. Supreme Court granted its proposed request to reverse the Third Circuit. Mr. Trump’s lawyers had asked the appellate court only for permission to submit a revised version of its original complaint to Judge Brann. If the Supreme Court abided by the strict terms of the appeals, it could do no more than return the case to Judge Brann’s court for further action.
An endless do-loop of failure at every level of the Republican jurist dominated cycle of courtroom smackdowns.

There's no reason to believe Trump's legal machinations would be any more competent than the man himself, or that his representation in court would be any more qualified than any of his government appointees. Naturally, anyone can predict the outcome of his lawsuits on that basis.

75lriley
nov. 27, 2020, 4:31pm

There's kind of a telemarketer's scam going on behind all this. Getting people to send them free money. Throwing in the towel means cutting off this spicket.

76Limelite
nov. 27, 2020, 4:50pm

Grifters gotta grift. Also, Trump has no real legitimate source of income once he's thrown out of the WH. His hotels are bedbug ridden but absent of clients and his golf courses are each 18-holes of debt. There's no revenue to meet the interest payments, much less retire the principle on his properties' loans and at least one multi-million dollar loan from the Putin-oligarch backdoor banking system comes due shortly after his title is President No More Forever.

Too bad there are no more debtor's prisons.

77lriley
nov. 27, 2020, 5:00pm

#76--generally speaking the mass of Trump's supporters can't afford to stay at one of his hotels let alone afford a set of golf clubs to play at one of his country clubs and generally speaking most of them wouldn't pass muster to get in either. They're also more likely to bowl, hunt during turkey and deer season, go to Nascar or watch football on Sundays if they don't live in close proximity to a football stadium or have the wherewithal to pay for tickets to an NFL game more than once or twice a year. This ain't to put them down for their financial state--well over half the country can't afford a $500 surprise problem--can't afford health care are scraping to just get by and that crosses the political spectrum.

Golf has always been a rich man's game.

78lriley
nov. 27, 2020, 5:39pm

But anyway while Donald pleasures himself at his country clubs and as his lawyers and him look for a last minute monetization of their base.....other shit is going on that they don't give a fuck about:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-overload-u-hospitals-stretched-195312573.html

79lriley
nov. 27, 2020, 7:40pm

North Dakota with over 76,000 cases (most of them within the last couple months) becomes the first state to surpass 10% of their population having tested positive for the virus since the pandemic started. This is what happens when you have absolutely incompetent governance that doesn't even try to put safety protocols in place. South Dakota will soon become the second state to go past 10%. Good job Doug Burnum and Kristi Noem for kissing up to another incompetent--the outgoing golfamaniac asshole POTUS.

80Limelite
Editat: nov. 27, 2020, 9:10pm

Remember That Recount Trump Paid WI $3M to Perform?

Well, Biden’s lead in Milwaukee increases!! Thanks for LOSING again, Don-Boy, by a BIGGER margin.
“Milwaukee County concludes its recount of the presidential election — one of two counties where Trump sought a recount in Wisconsin. The results: Biden’s lead, currently at about 20,000 statewide, grew by 132 votes,” Rosalind Helderman of The Washington Post reported Friday.
Yeah, Donald Trump effectively "bought" an election for Democrats.
With the $3 million the Trump campaign spent on recounts split between two counties, this would amount to the Trump campaign spending $11,363 per vote *added* to Biden https://t.co/mLD0GnDws5

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) November 27, 2020
I feel a BWAHAHAHAHA! coming on.

81lriley
nov. 27, 2020, 8:53pm

#80--that Kenneth Copeland video would be just about right right now.

Cueing up Ray Charles Hit the Road Jack for January 20th.

82Limelite
nov. 27, 2020, 9:12pm

>81 lriley:

Trump's Thanksgiving Day remarks hinted that he plans to leave earlier, implying right after the Electoral College reports. Gives time for Pence to pardon him.

83kiparsky
Editat: nov. 27, 2020, 9:33pm

>82 Limelite: When asked whether he would leave office in January after the Electoral College cast its votes for Mr. Biden on Dec. 14 as expected, Mr. Trump replied: “Certainly I will. Certainly I will.” (New York Times)

I think this is just confirming that he intends to leave office on Jan 20, not saying that he'll leave before that.

On the other hand, good news for Democrats: he's going to go to Georgia - a state he lost - to campaign for the Republican candidates in the runoffs.

84margd
nov. 28, 2020, 11:11am

Wisconsin

In last-gasp maneuver, Trump campaign tries to invalidate thousands of votes as Wisconsin recount gets underway
Rosalind S. Helderman and Dan Simmons | November 22, 2020

...As a recount began on Friday in Dane and Milwaukee counties — home to the cities of Madison and Milwaukee — Trump lawyers argued that officials should not merely retabulate all the votes cast in the Nov. 3 election to reconfirm they’d been counted properly.

Instead, they argued that large batches of ballots had been improperly accepted and counted in the first place. In both Dane and Milwaukee, they sought to disqualify all absentee ballots that had been cast before Election Day in person, rather than by mail.

So far, their efforts have been rejected by the Democratic-majority boards of canvassers in both counties, which have denied attempts to set aside large categories of ballots and instead proceeded to a slow-moving process to retabulate all the votes.

The recount must conclude no later than Dec. 1, when the election is scheduled to be certified. At that point, the president’s campaign could file a lawsuit over its rejected challenges — potentially delaying certification...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/wisconsin-recount-trump-campaign/2020/11...

85margd
nov. 29, 2020, 5:43am

Thus far, the definitive account of Trump quest to overturn the election:

20 days of fantasy and failure: Inside Trump’s quest to overturn the election
Philip Rucker, Ashley Parker, Josh Dawsey and Amy Gardner | November 28, 2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-overturn/2020/11/28/34f45...

86margd
nov. 29, 2020, 6:33am

Pennsylvania

In Another Legal Blow To Trump, Pa. Supreme Court Tosses Suit Challenging Mail-In Ballots
Dominique Mosbergen | November 28, 2020

Pennsylvania’s highest court dismissed a lawsuit on Saturday from U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) and other Republicans who’d sought to challenge the legitimacy of the approximately 2.6 million mail-in ballots cast in the state during the November general election.

In a unanimous decision, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court threw out a lower court’s order ― issued by Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia McCullough on Wednesday in response to the suit ― that had temporarily halted the certification of remaining contests in the state.

The state Supreme Court said Kelly and the other Republican plaintiffs were much too late in filing their lawsuit, which had argued that Pennsylvania’s vote-by-mail statute, signed into law in 2019, was unconstitutional...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/pennsylvania-supreme-court-mail-in-ballots-021808...

87Molly3028
Editat: nov. 29, 2020, 8:25am

Sadly, the GOP is never returning to its Lincolnesque
days. That ship sailed during the Trump era. Who
would have imagined that its modern-day members
would jettison Lincoln and replace him with a Trump?
Tens of millions of morons are dragging the party and
the country down to their level.

88margd
nov. 29, 2020, 2:14pm

Trump Casually Suggests FBI, DOJ Could Be Involved in Imaginary Plot to Steal Election
Ken Meyer | Nov 29th, 2020

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-casually-suggests-fbi-doj-could-be-involved...

89Molly3028
Editat: nov. 29, 2020, 3:22pm

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/maria-bartiromo-slammed-delusional-trump-191...
Maria Bartiromo Slammed for ‘Delusional’ Trump Interview: ‘Not Much Daylight Between Maria and Alex Jones’

My take ~ MB's good twin use to work at CNBC. MB's bad twin works at the FOX Financial Network. Murdoch's money flipped her like a pancake.

90margd
nov. 30, 2020, 3:36pm

Georgia

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp's Office Fires Back at Donald Trump Over Election Interference Demands
Jacob Jarvis | 11/30/20

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump | 8:59 AM · Nov 30, 2020
Why won’t Governor @BrianKempGA, the hapless Governor of Georgia, use his emergency powers, which can be easily done, to overrule his obstinate Secretary of State, and do a match of signatures on envelopes. It will be a “goldmine” of fraud, and we will easily WIN the state.... (This claim about election fraud is disputed.)

Also, quickly check the number of envelopes versus the number of ballots. You may just find that there are many more ballots than there are envelopes. So simple, and so easy to do. Georgia Republicans are angry, all Republicans are angry. Get it done!
(This claim about election fraud is disputed.)

...in Georgia mail-in ballots were separated from their envelopes after signatures were initially verified. This measure, in place to protect voter privacy, would make matching ballots to envelopes an impossibility during a recount with them having already been split apart.

...Cody Hall, communications director for Kemp, told Newsweek: "Georgia law prohibits the Governor from interfering in elections. The Secretary of State, who is an elected constitutional officer, has oversight over elections that cannot be overridden by executive order.

"As the Governor has said repeatedly, he will continue to follow the law and encourage the Secretary of State to take reasonable steps—including a sample audit of signatures—to restore trust and address serious issues that have been raised."...

https://www.newsweek.com/brian-kemp-donald-trump-georgia-election-demands-155119...

91lriley
nov. 30, 2020, 4:47pm

#90--The non-stop barrage of phony Trumpian bullshit is one of the things Donald is going to be best known for when all is said and done. He expects all these pals of his to take a bullet for him. It's all good in a way though--this Kemp was one of his worst sycophants and he's damaged him forevermore and the possibilities that a republican will win the Georgia governorship next time around will be very much weakened because of all this nonsense. Too bad, so sad.

92margd
des. 1, 2020, 7:26am

Marc E. Elias (D lawyer) @marceelias | 6:19 PM · Nov 30, 2020

NEW: All six key states have now certified their election results with Joe Biden as the winner:
Arizona
Georgia (ongoing recount)
Michigan
Nevada
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin

Trump and his allies remain 1-39 in court.

93margd
Editat: des. 2, 2020, 6:42am

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud
MICHAEL BALSAMO | Dec 1, 2020

...(DOJ AG) Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”...

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-willia...

94Molly3028
Editat: des. 2, 2020, 6:59am

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/528279-parscale-says-trump-should-ha...
Parscale says Trump should have been more empathetic on coronavirus

Shoulda, woulda, coulda ~ Trump has major mental
health issues ~ he couldn't show empathy about Covid
because he didn't feel empathy ~ the wiring in his head
is all scrambled up. His mentally challenged cult voters
gave us a Halloween gift which keeps on damaging the
democracy they pretend to love. And, Mary Trump's
next book about her deranged uncle ~ Reckoning ~ will
be out next July!

95lriley
des. 2, 2020, 7:48am

#94--if Trump had chosen to fight the battle with the pandemic I think he would have won the election---at the least it would have been a nail biter. Empathy is not something he does and he avoids engaging in battles he might not win. Along with that he really is an elitist and he gives a fuck about money a lot more than he cares about people. He really doesn't care about people at all. He just needs them as fans stroking his ego and as customers/suckers making him richer.

But anyway if you got sick or a friend or family member got very sick or died odds are I would guess you voted for Biden especially with Trump's continual contradictions and game playing with it. There were about 9 million Americans who had contracted it by election day and he lost by a somewhat similar number of votes.

This is what he got for choosing Atlas over Fauci. It's what he got for peddling hydroxochloroquine or bleach over a real vaccine or for choosing Dow Jones numbers over public health and safety.

96Molly3028
Editat: des. 2, 2020, 5:38pm

https://www.mediaite.com/news/roger-stone-says-ag-bill-barr-is-blocking-for-the-...
Roger Stone Says AG Bill Barr Is ‘Blocking For The Deep State,’ Following DOJ Finding No Evidence of Voter Fraud

My take ~ When people voted for Trump in 2016, they
unknowingly invited a whole gaggle of grifters to join in
the lucrative party. These guys want Trump to remain
in power so that they can continue their power-hungry
grifting ways. They care nothing about the concerns of
the voters in the swing states or anywhere else in this
country.

97margd
des. 3, 2020, 6:07am

Trump escalates baseless attacks on election with 46-minute video rant
Philip Rucker | Dec. 2, 2020

(A guide to Trump's false election claims | Fact Checker (3:40))

Escalating his attack on democracy from within the White House, President Trump on Wednesday distributed an astonishing 46-minute video rant filled with baseless allegations of voter fraud and outright falsehoods in which he declared the nation’s election system “under coordinated assault and siege” and argued that it was “statistically impossible” for him to have lost to President-elect Joe Biden.

Standing behind the presidential lectern in the Diplomatic Reception Room and flanked by the flags of his office and of the country whose Constitution he swore an oath to uphold, Trump tried to leverage the power of the presidency to subvert the vote and overturn the election results...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-election-video/2020/12/02/f6c8d63c...

98Molly3028
Editat: des. 3, 2020, 12:30pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/us/politics/trump-election-video.html
Trump, in Video From White House, Delivers a 46-Minute Diatribe on the ‘Rigged’ Election

My take ~ This on-going election cycle has been
evidence of one thing. The number of people with
mental heath issues in America is very large. DJT is
an example of someone with a huge mental health
issue.

Mary Trump's next book about her deranged uncle ~
Reckoning ~ will be out next July. We will most likely
still be dealing with DJT issues at that time.

99Limelite
des. 3, 2020, 1:26pm

Look for Republican led states to further restrict easy access to the polls because there was no widespread voter fraud and Democrat Joe Biden won.

That's what GA is doing. Since there's no problem with vote-by-mail, they're determined to "fix" it by requiring voter picture ID be included with the mail-in ballot.

What better way to disenfranchise the elderly who can ONLY vote by mail, the minorities who cannot afford vehicles, so don't have drivers licenses, and the young attending college and still list their home address (correctly) as their "address of record" but may have drivers licenses issued in the counties and states where their campuses are?

100Limelite
des. 3, 2020, 2:29pm

Wisconsin High Court Just Says 'No' to Trump Election Lawsuit.

Wisconsin Supreme Court on Thursday says the case must first wind its way through lower courts. That bring Trump's lawyers win-loss record to 3-41. Stellar performance by "the best people."

The suit sought to have 221,000 votes thrown out of the final count for the sake of Trump's fantasies about non-existent fraud and wrong-doing.
His lawsuit echoed claims that were earlier rejected by election officials in those counties during a recount that barely affected Biden’s winning margin of about 20,700 votes.

Trump had wanted the conservative-controlled Wisconsin Supreme Court to take the case directly, saying there wasn’t enough time to wage the legal battle by starting first with a lower court given the looming Dec. 14 date when presidential electors cast their votes. But attorneys for Democratic Gov. Tony Evers and the state Department of Justice argued the the lawsuit had to start with lower courts.
Trump just got told that some lawsuits aren't more equal than others. Especially egregiously whiny ones filed by a LOSER whose lawyers are an embarrassment to their profession. Apparently, too few Wisconsin Supreme Court Justices are Trumpy enough to miscarry justice.

101Limelite
des. 5, 2020, 7:32pm

IT'S OVER: Biden Officially Secures Enough Electors to Become President

California certified its presidential election Friday and appointed 55 electors pledged to vote for Democrat Joe Biden, officially handing him the Electoral College majority needed to win the White House. Biden's tally of pledged electors (is) 279 according to a tally by The Associated Press. The threshold for victory is 270.

Said Edward B. Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University,
“It is a legal milestone and the first milestone that has that status,” Foley said. “Everything prior to that was premised on what we call projections.”
The electors named Friday will meet Dec. 14, along with counterparts in each state, to formally vote for the next president. Most states have laws binding their electors to the winner of the popular vote in their state, measures that were upheld by a Supreme Court decision this year. There have been no suggestions that any of Biden’s pledged electors would contemplate not voting for him.

Results of the Electoral College vote are due to be received, and typically approved, by Congress on Jan. 6. Although lawmakers can object to accepting the electors’ votes, it would be almost impossible for Biden to be blocked at that point.

102Limelite
des. 5, 2020, 8:00pm

Senate GOP Brushes Off Long-shot Attempt to Fight Biden Win

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.), a member of the conservative Freedom Caucus, grabbed headlines when he announced that he would challenge the votes when Congress officially certifies President-elect Joe Biden's victory on Jan. 6.

But GOP senators are dismissing the effort, even as President Trump publicly praised Brooks. A Senator would have to join in objecting as well in order to effect a pause in the count during the Jan. 6 joint session to acknowledge Biden's win.
Brooks says he is actively seeking a senator to join his efforts but disclosed to USA Today on Thursday that he had not “solicited any senators or anyone at the White House at this point."
A statement that hardly makes sense. No GOP senator has stepped forward publicly to offer him support so far. Sensible of them, since a number are eyeing the 2024 race for themselves. Payback, if they won in a close race, would be catastrophic.
If Brooks is able to find an ally in the Senate, the joint session would be suspended and the chambers would meet separately to debate and vote on the objection.

Underscoring the uphill climb — Brooks has acknowledged his move may largely be symbolic.
In short, Republicans would find themselves in the position of arguing amongst themselves, exacerbating developing rifts in the Party that has been badly mauled by Trump and can only look forward to his continuing mauling in the next four years as he and his family try to "buy" the Republican Party out from under the Republican Establishment. And all for nought as long as Democrats have the House majority.

Not only that, the chance for Democrats to take control of the Senate after the GA run-off is now gauged at 75%. After tonight's Trump Covid-19 Rallies in the state, it will only go up.

103Molly3028
des. 6, 2020, 1:52pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-tapper-shreds-gop-for-enabling-trump-as-he-fome...
CNN’s Tapper Shreds GOP For Enabling Trump as He Foments Post-Election Threats: ‘Did You Not Know Who This Man Was?’

The proper question would be ~ Did you not CARE who
this man was, has always been, will always be?

104Molly3028
Editat: des. 6, 2020, 4:49pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/just-26-congressional-republicans-acknow...
Just 27 congressional Republicans acknowledge Biden’s win, Washington Post survey finds

Few profiles in courage in the 21st Century ~ 2020
GOPers appear to think catering to a life-long con man
with a fragile ego and mental health issues was in the
oath of office they swore to when they entered their
congressional terms. The Founders and Lincoln must
be spinning in their graves.

GOPers appear to be suspicious of people who have not
fallen prey to Trump's reality show. That is definitely a
characteristic of people caught in a cult's web.

105lriley
des. 6, 2020, 6:29pm

#104--the driving factor for many of them (say somewhere approaching half) is they don't want to get on the wrong side of their voting base. They're doing what politicians do---and politicians are pretty venal and pretty weak in some respects--they're more than content to follow someone as long as it's to their advantage.

Somewhere approaching another half are the more true believers---the tea party types like Gosar, Brooks, Jordan, Nunes etc.--they're kind of like Trump's S.S. They're the do whatever it takes, the lie as much as possible type. They've been empowered by this White House and they don't want to give it up.

There are also a bunch of libertarians--not necessarily Trump true believers but if they can manipulate him for their ends (and they've had some success with that) they'll give him all the support he asks for.

106mikevail
des. 6, 2020, 6:38pm

>105 lriley:
"not necessarily Trump true believers but if they can manipulate him for their ends (and they've had some success with that) they'll give him all the support he asks for."
This makes me wonder if the Democrats wouldn't have been better served if they had tried this strategy from the get-go. He appears easily manipulated. Like the Henry Blake character from MASH. Radar gives him a little double talk and flattery while he signs whatever's in front of him without reading it. Just a matter of feeding his ego.

107lriley
Editat: des. 6, 2020, 8:33pm

#106--it's an interesting idea but sooner or later IMO it would have blown up anyway. It's funny---someone gets a dog for companionship and then somebody else comes along and makes that dog his best friend.

I was watching a youtube conversation between Andrew Yang and Justin Amash (the libertarian republican who was the first to turn on Trump). Amash talks about how when the tea party started the then speaker Boehner thought it was hilarious and a way of owning the libs.....but then they turned into his own worst nightmare but in the meantime Boehner went about locking everything up----all amendments on any given bill had to go through him--the initial idea that the republican house members could still amend all they liked and the democrat house members could go shit in their collective hats. Amash didn't like this because he could see the shoe one day being on the other foot and it effectively made Boehner a dictator of one house of congress (and McConnell's pretty much done the same in the Senate)---and according to Amash when Pelosi became speaker again she kept that practice---everything had to go through her so that if you're on the democratic side to get anything accomplished you really need to be in her good graces and it effectively turns most house members into vassals of one goofball or the other.

So really the people that matter are the President, the supreme court justices, the Senate leader and the speaker of the house and their favorite donors and the rest are for the most part just along for the ride---though if you're really good at making money that makes you a favorite son or daughter. Want to know why there's no second stimulus? all it takes is one of the above to be having a bad hair day and what's more it's more important for McConnell or Trump or Pelosi to score points against each other than for any of them to do something for the millions who are suffering.

Amash laughed at a McConnell on the verge of tears talking from the floor of the Senate about his good buddy Lamar Alexander on the day he retired from the Senate. It was like his dog had just died. According to Amash Alexander was one of those most willing to work with the other side and McConnell wouldn't allow it and that is why Alexander decided he had enough.

108jjwilson61
des. 6, 2020, 8:40pm

>107 lriley: The sad thing is that if McConnell and Pelosi have such power that it's the house and Senate members of their own parties that gave it to them.

109mikevail
des. 6, 2020, 8:59pm

McConnell and Pelosi are flip sides of the same coin. They're just going at it from opposite directions. I'm sure they'll laugh about it together at their retirement parties. In the meantime people go hungry, get evicted etc. There needs to be another option. It feels like an ideal time for the progressive left to break away, start a Labor Party or something. The Republicans are playing with fire and they don't realize it. The ignorant racist rabble they think they have in their hip pockets will turn on them in a heartbeat. If Trump were even semi-competant it would have already happened. Imagine if he had the same ruthlessness and savvy as Putin

110lriley
des. 7, 2020, 2:19am

#108--in politics power usually eventually centralizes and especially if the leadership never changes. If Kevin McCarthy the leader of the House Republicans ever becomes speaker he will do the same for sure. He's right up Trump's asshole with the election lies right now. He has no scruples really. If Hakeem Jeffries replaces Pelosi one day (and he's been rumored as a future democratic speaker) I don't see him giving power back to his caucus either. He loathes the left flank of the party. To him Sanders is a gun loving socialist and the Justice Democrats are all racists even if they are mostly black or brown. Where does he get that from? and why if he thinks like that is he so close to the levers of power?

#109--essentially right now the states are on their own to figure out whatever they can. Unemployment for millions is going to run out before the end of the month. Rent and mortgage moratoriums are going to end. The poor are being joined by millions of newly desperate unemployed and neither side of our political spectrum will work with each other. Something on the negotiation table 3 weeks ago is summarily taken off the table and vice versa and there is no real reason. McConnell of course would like to direct whatever stimulus to his large corporate donors--Trump wants to select the states that get help or don't. When actual stimulus money is there for the population Pelosi hems and haws......and hardly anyone in either party is not falling in line with their leader.

111Molly3028
Editat: des. 7, 2020, 2:26pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-plans-air-force-one-tv-stunt-biden-inaugur...
Trump is reportedly planning a made-for-TV exit on Air Force One from the White House to a rally on Inauguration Day, hoping to pull viewers from Biden

Trump is going to be an anchor around the necks of
GOPers until the day he is 6 feet under. May he live a
long life. By the time he is gone, the long-expected
demographic wave will be hitting the GOP.

112proximity1
Editat: des. 8, 2020, 9:54am


"A Scepter snatch'd with an vnruly hand,
Must be as boysterously maintain'd as gain'd."


King John, III. iv. 135
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(RealClearInvestigations) "A Running Compendium of Fraud Charges in Election 2020" | by The Editors, RealClearInvestigations |
December 7, 2020


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"Rudy Giuliani says legal team aims to flip four states in Trump's favor in homestretch | by Mica Soellner, Breaking News Reporter | from The Washington Examiner | 6 December, 2020


_____________________________

How in the Hell does New York (or any other) state "mislay" ballots in an election? And how in the Hell are uncounted ballots being discovered more than a month since the election's polling-day? (..."12 uncounted ballots were found in a drawer in rural Chenango County last week, "...)
_____________________________


E. B. White writes a letter in reply to a letter-writer's view of a bleak future for the human race. "(This letter, along with 124 other fascinating pieces of correspondence, can be found in the bestselling book, Letters of Note. For more info, visit Books of Note.)"


"Wind the clock" :

___________________

North Brooklin, Maine

30 March 1973

Dear Mr. Nadeau:

As long as there is one upright man, as long as there is one compassionate woman, the contagion may spread and the scene is not desolate. Hope is the thing that is left to us, in a bad time. I shall get up Sunday morning and wind the clock, as a contribution to order and steadfastness.

Sailors have an expression about the weather: they say, the weather is a great bluffer. I guess the same is true of our human society—things can look dark, then a break shows in the clouds, and all is changed, sometimes rather suddenly. It is quite obvious that the human race has made a queer mess of life on this planet. But as a people we probably harbor seeds of goodness that have lain for a long time waiting to sprout when the conditions are right. Man’s curiosity, his relentlessness, his inventiveness, his ingenuity have led him into deep trouble. We can only hope that these same traits will enable him to claw his way out.

Hang on to your hat. Hang on to your hope. And wind the clock, for tomorrow is another day.

Sincerely,
E. B. White

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114kiparsky
des. 7, 2020, 11:02am

So, one nice thing about all of this is we now have a very clear way to distinguish actual news outlets from bullshit hack sites. Anyone still insisting that the election results (a) are not now known and (b) can be changed or that (c) there is any way that Trump's presidency doesn't end on January 20, 2021 simply cannot be cited as a serious news source ever again.

Similarly, any public figure making similar claims today should have this thrown back in their face any time they make any public statement, ever, from now on. "Yes, but you said Trump won the 2020 election, so why should we listen to you?"

I mean, getting something that wrong, when it's that basic and that uncontroversial... it really does put an end to your credibility, doesn't it?

115Limelite
des. 7, 2020, 12:59pm

GOP Congressman’s Plan to Challenge the Electoral College a Major Flop.

Cites 19th C. law to soothe his 21st C. election loss grievance.

In full awareness of committing political suicide, an undesirable consequence of going over the cliff with Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL), GOP senators have been dismissive of Brooks’ plan. When their own political careers are on the line, Republicans suddenly come to their senses.
Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said that the January meeting of Congress is “really a formality.”

“Nobody likes to lose, but we have to respect the judgment of the American people, the voters,” Cornyn said. “So I don’t support, I don’t endorse, I don’t really like just making a show just to make a show.”
Translation: I don't look forward to Democrats pulling the same stunt on me.

Mo doesn't seem to remember the Ronnie Ray-gun policy of MAD (mutually assured destruction). It applies to politics more assuredly than it does to warfare. He should think about that.

116Limelite
des. 7, 2020, 3:35pm

Kemp: Lawmakers Can’t Overturn State's Election Results

Gov. Brian Kemp pointedly told state lawmakers Monday that any attempt to award Georgia’s 16 electoral votes to President Donald Trump. . .would be unconstitutional.

Again, he shoots down calls for a special legislative session to pick GOP electors. When did the Republican Party become the party AGAINST the RULE OF LAW? Sometime in 2016-17? A couple of idiot state senators circulated a petition over the weekend, seeking to “take back the power to appoint electors.” That is to more correctly say, "to take away the voice of the people, the will of the electorate."
“This is not an option under state or federal law,” Kemp said. “The statute is clear. The legislature can only direct an alternative method for choosing presidential electors if the election was not able to be held on the date set by federal law.”
Expect state law to be changed by the loser lemmings in order to get around any federal law, if at all possible. As long as Trumpty-Dumbpties occupy the state legislature, they will choose Cultist Leader's ambitions over any stauatory or Constitutional direction. "Trump’s false narrative of a 'stolen' election has seeped deeply into the Georgia GOP and sparked a bitter internal feud."

Georgia's GOP is hysterical. Somebody needs to slap them up the side of their heads. Like was done to women in the days where they want to go back to.

117Limelite
Editat: des. 7, 2020, 5:35pm

Less Than 24 Hours To Go -- Election Challenge Deadline December 8th ("Safe Harbor" Day)

“Conservative nonprofit group challenging election results around the country has tie to Trump legal adviser Jenna Ellis”

Another right wing Republican coordinated conspiracy to subvert free and fair elections.
A conservative legal organization that has filed lawsuits challenging the election results in five states has a tie to President Trump’s legal team, raising questions about the independence of what has appeared to be an endeavor separate from the president’s last-gasp legal maneuvering.

Jenna Ellis serves as special counsel to the Thomas More Society, which has filed lawsuits through the newly formed Amistad Project alleging problems with the vote in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

(Suggests) a coordinated effort to flood the nation’s courts with repetitive litigation that allows the president to claim the election results remain contested.
The "Amistad Project" sprang up late this summer, when it popped up in courts across the country, trying to suppress election officials' efforts to ameliorate standard voting practices out of consideration to the pandemic, thus also suppressing voter turnout and hopefully Democratic votes.

Why did Shakespeare first want to kill all the lawyers? Cold be for the following reason.
A lawyer who works with the group was also spotted encouraging Republican observers to challenge the absentee ballot count at Detroit’s TCF Center on Election Day.
Election fraud attempted by a Republican lawyer? Saints preserve us!

Sounds like another sleazy money laundering and election subverting scheme designed to bilk cash from deluded Trump supporters and provide a financial cushion to the about to be unemployed Don-Boy. If anyone sees him in a bread line next month, elbow him in the ribs.

FYI Amistad is the name of an infamous slave trader ship from the 1830-40s and refers also to the SCOTUS case argued and won by John Adams on behalf of the Africans who successfully mutinied aboard the Spanish ship after being illegally captured and later illegally sold as slaves in Cuba.

118margd
des. 8, 2020, 9:51am

Texas

Steve Vladeck (U TX Law) @steve_vladeck | 9:11 AM · Dec 8, 2020:
It looks like we have a new leader in the “craziest lawsuit filed to purportedly challenge the election” category:
The State of Texas is suing Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin *directly* in #SCOTUS.
(Spoiler alert: The Court is *never* going to hear this one.)

(Lawsuit)
Image ( https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1336312379408322560/photo/1 )
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119proximity1
Editat: des. 8, 2020, 10:53am

Right--- the State of Texas should rather join as a party to Trump's civil suit filings against these states' utterly botched elections.

Indeed, every voter, finding himself defrauded, every state government, finding itself and its citizens defrauded of a free and fair election as a whole, ought to join as parties to the civil suits.

They could then be renamed,

"Donald Trump, the Re-election campaign of Donald Trump, et al

vs.

The Secretaries of State of the States of Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania."

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"Republicans turned out voters; Democrats turned out envelopes." -- Joel B. Pollak, "Why the 2020 Election Was Neither Free nor Fair" (RealClearPolitics | 8 December, 2020

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No, The Georgia Vote-Counting Video Was Not ‘Debunked.’ Not Even Close | A Big Tech-backed 'fact' 'checking' outfit claimed to debunk explosive evidence for Republicans' claims of significant election problems in Georgia. It didn't. | Mollie Hemingway | The Federalist (Washington, D.C.) | 7 December, 2020



"A Big Tech-backed 'fact' 'checking' outfit claimed to debunk explosive evidence in support of Republicans’ claims of significant election problems at a Thursday Georgia Senate hearing. It didn’t. Not even close.

"Newly discovered security footage from Georgia’s State Farm Arena showed dozens of ballot counters, media, and Republican observers leaving en masse at the same time from the ballot-counting area for Fulton County. After they left, a small remnant of about four workers began pulling trunks containing thousands of ballots from underneath a table with a long tablecloth and running them through machines.

"The footage supported claims from Republicans that they were told counting had stopped for the night, only to find out hours later that it had kept going on. You can and should watch the 12-minute portion of the testimony from Jacki Pick here." ...

...

"Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer has consistently said that’s what happened at State Farm Arena, beginning hours after the election:


(See M. Hemingway's original report at The Federalist for the Twitter excerpt) Supported here by another's re-post of a Shafer Tweet:)

(The following Twitter post, reputedly also by David Shafer, substantially confirms the original Twitter post by the same David Shafer--but which I am (mysteriously, non?) unable to locate and copy-and-paste in here)



1) David Shafer
DavidShafer
Let me repeat. Fulton County elections officials told the media and our observers that they were shutting down the tabulation center at State Farm Arena at 10:30 p.m. on election night only to continue counting ballots in secret until 1:00 a.m.No one disputes that Fulton County elections officials falsely announced that the counting of ballots would stop at 10:30 p.m.

November 10, 2020, 12:17 PM · Web · 1 · 6 · 8
(https://social.quodverum.com/@Dawnz/105185978299337403)


"That claim, which he has repeated consistently, is backed by sworn affidavits from two Republican observers, who further allege they were kept an unreasonable distance from the ballots even while they were at State Farm Arena, making it completely impossible to meaningfully do their jobs. (The video, which shows the room from four different angles, fully supports the claim that poll watchers were kept away from meaningful observation of ballot handling.)

"The observers say that they arrived for their observation jobs around 8 p.m. They say in the first half of the 10 o’clock hour, a woman with blonde braids who appeared to be a supervisor “yelled out” to those present in the room that they would stop working for the night and would resume in the morning. The Republican poll watchers said they asked Fulton County Elections Spokesperson Regina Waller questions about the status of the ballot count multiple times but that she refused to answer." ...




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120kiparsky
des. 8, 2020, 10:21am

>119 proximity1: Indeed, every voter, finding himself defrauded, every state government, finding itself and its citizens defrauded of a free and fair election as a whole, ought to join as parties to the civil suits.

Well, if you want to turn it into a popularity contest then you lose. Nobody is arguing that Trump got more votes than Biden.

Give it up, it's over. At this point even Trump doesn't think he won.

121Limelite
Editat: des. 8, 2020, 1:36pm

Post-Election Civil War Being Fought in WH, Not US Streets

GOP conference call erupts after lawmaker floats a resolution titled “Counting Every Legal Vote,” condemning Republicans who ask Trump to concede
The controversy started when Rep. Alex Mooney (R-WV) pitched a resolution during the call that would condemn “any member who calls upon President Trump to concede prematurely before these investigations are complete.”
Nice waste of time, effort, and taxpayer money Mr. Senator from probably poorest state in USA, taking welfare from Blue States for decades. Point at and fix the blame on your colleagues, then condemn them. Sounds perfectly Evangelical ecumenical to me.
Mooney did not mention The Post survey and made clear his resolution was not meant to rebuke any particular lawmaker. But his effort won support from several fellow members of the House Freedom Caucus, a cadre of the most loyal Trump supporters in Congress that has pressed state officials for dramatic interventions in the election process.
Of course, the nuttiest of the RWNJs.

In the meantime, Americans go without food, jobs, housing, and vaccinations because of legislators like you, Sen. Mooney, whose fealty belongs to Trump and not their oaths to the people and Constitution they're supposed to serve. It's your fault that the economy is in the tank, no relief is in sight, and absolutely no proper response to the pandemic is in place. You and your fellow travelers, the "lunatic fringe, snake-handling"wing of the party (PA Lt. Gov.characterization) are disgusting.

122lriley
des. 8, 2020, 6:02pm

#121--Mooney's a congressman. Joe Manchin and Shelley Moore-Capito are West Virginia's two US senators. IMO Mooney is too extreme to get elected to the Senate from just about any state.

Today supposedly safe harbor day--where all the state's elections have been certified and an acknowledgement of the winner is confirmed by three high ranking members of both parties. The republicans Mitch McConnell, Sen. Roy Blunt from Missouri and the republican House leader Kevin McCarthy all voted against that acknowledgement. The democrats Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and I think Schumer were apparently somewhat stunned by that but hey this idea that the centrist and center right democrats think they can coax the other side into cooperating with them on almost anything is a stupid one IMO. Unless they concede to republican inspired legislation they're going nowhere with that and the stimulus they're talking about now is an example of that. Some relief for states but no money for individuals except a month's worth of unemployment relief for those who have lost jobs in exchange for a corporate liability shield that allows corporations to put their own employees in dangerous situations with no right to refuse (other than to quit) and no legal recourse to sue. My guess is the democrats will cave on that. This is what I'm guessing the next 4 years are going to look like--the republicans feeding the democrats one poison pill after another.

123Limelite
des. 8, 2020, 6:32pm

Thx. Fixed.

124Limelite
des. 8, 2020, 7:18pm

BWAHAHAHAHA! DISMISSED: Alito is 'Deep State Now'

SCOTUS refuses to be dragged into the swamp by Trump's baseless tantrum over being a LOSER.

RWNJs crying on the Internet that Judge Alito wouldn't ignore the law and indulge their delusions. He's the Q and other Anon's favorite conservative, being a strict Constructionist, and even he understands that IT'S OVER!! Just because he had the honor of delivering the Court's decision. . .
While Alito was the one who dismissed the claims, he did so without dispute from other conservative justices, including Clarence Thomas and the three justices Trump appointed to the High Court.
Still squirming with dissatisfaction, the sniveling continues. Trumpty-Dumbpties have tried to make the last-minute TX lawsuits their Last Great White Persons' Hope (because Trump is a "Jenius" who planned this endless legal self-humiliation this way). Alito will save them then -- when (if) the TX cases ever reach D.C.

If wallowing in angry self-pity is your thing, follow the link and enjoy the quoted twits' tweets.

125kiparsky
des. 8, 2020, 8:31pm

Following up on >114 kiparsky:, I see that the Post over the weekend reported some hard data on which currently serving Republicans in Congress are sufficiently honest to acknowledge that Trump lost the election, and Biden won it. There are 27 of them.

Story: Just 27 congressional Republicans acknowledge Biden’s win, Washington Post survey finds

Here is the list of Republicans in Congress who were able to correctly answer the simple question of "Who won the presidential election of 2020?". It's not a long one:
Sen. Lamar Alexander R-TN
Sen. Shelley Moore Capito R-WV
Sen. Bill Cassidy R-LA
Sen. Susan Collins R-ME
Sen. Deb Fischer R-NE
Sen. Jerry Moran R-KS
Sen. Lisa Murkowski R-AK
Sen. Mitt Romney R-UT
Sen. Marco Rubio R-FL
Sen. Ben Sasse R-NE
Sen. Patrick J. Toomey R-PA
Rep. Don Bacon R-NE
Rep. John Curtis R-UT
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick R-PA
Rep. Anthony Gonzalez R-OH
Rep. Will Hurd R-TX
Rep. Adam Kinzinger R-IL
Rep. Paul Mitchell R-MI
Rep. Tom Reed R-NY
Rep. Denver Riggleman R-VA
Rep. Francis Rooney R-FL
Rep. John Shimkus R-IL
Rep. Steve Stivers R-OH
Rep. Fred Upton R-MI
Rep. Greg Walden R-OR
Rep. Don Young R-AK

221 members of congress actually were not able to answer this question one way or another, and Mo Brooks of Alaska and Paul Gosar of Arizona deserve special mention, as they actually claimed to believe that Trump won the election.

223 out of 249 Republican Senators and Representatives actually confessed in public that they are not only not qualified for their jobs, they're not even qualified to serve as interns to the people who run the offices for people who do their jobs.

If you're a Republican after reading this, the only question is, why?

126lriley
des. 8, 2020, 10:10pm

#125--some of that list are retired or not coming back--Alexander, Hurd, Rooney, Walden, Mitchell and Shimkus all retired. Riggelman was primaried. Toomey has announced he won't run again. Being a Senator from Pennsylvania he got backed into the wall by Trump and friends. It was either choose us or choose your state. Toomey chose Pennsylvania.

127Limelite
des. 8, 2020, 11:15pm

Corrupt TX AG Fishing for a Pardon?

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow has an idea that Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton may be waging his lawsuit for Donald Trump’s election only to score himself a pardon.

I'll bet Cruz was Trump's envoy who got together with Paxton and had a little talk.

Cruz: Trump needs a favor.
Pax.: He's not the only one.
Cruz: Could be a win-win.
Pax.: I'm listening.
Cruz: Understand, this is in NO WAY a quid pro quo. It's a deal. Both sides give a little.
Pax.: You saying Trump still has more pardons in his pocket?
Cruz: You saying you'll file lawsuits to overturn elections in these states? (pushes list across desk)
Pax.: I'm a better lawyer than Julie Annie. But I don't want $20K a day.
Cruz: Got it. You want get out of jail free for life. Who wouldn't? Shake.
Both men smile. . .

Paxton may be the only political lawyer in the USA more corrupt and servile than Bill Barr. Follow the link for a good rundown of his crimes. They're shocking, even in this age. However, the good people of TX re-elected him. (He may be a crook, but he's our Republican crook. So, that doesn't count.)
Paxton is now starting a lawsuit against several states that voted for President-elect Joe Biden in the 2020 election, alleging that voting for Biden was illegal because he doesn’t like it. He’s asking that the Supreme Court step in and find that the elections of Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania were “done wrong” and thus shouldn’t be counted in the electoral college.
And by "wrong" he means "made accommodations to the electorate because pandemic." Of course, none of his activity for the president has anything to do with the fact that the FBI is breathing down his neck and a pardon would be -- well -- handy at this time.

Says Maddow,
“If you want this president to pardon you, you’ve got to get his attention. This is the kind of viper’s nest of interests and conflicts that is driving, among other things, these dead-ender lawsuits at this point.”

128proximity1
des. 9, 2020, 7:14am


>121 Limelite:

Not that any such clarification was needed, but:

(WaPo's own headline?)
"GOP conference call erupts after lawmaker floats a resolution titled “Counting Every Legal Vote,” condemning Republicans who ask Trump to concede" (emphasis added)

draws this, from Limelite,

... "Nice waste of time, effort, and taxpayer money" ...

What is certainly the most contested (disputed for its legitimacy) presidential election in modern U.S. history and one of the closest of presidential elections in U.S. history finds Limelite characterizing calls for ensuring that every legal vote is counted (and, by that same token, that no or as few as possible illegally cast ballots are not counted and "validated," as an exercise in time-and-taxpayer-money wasting.

Why stop there?

Those lives, risked and lost in battles fought to defend democratic self-government itself--they, too, were by the very same logic, wasted, weren't they?

If we cannot afford the time or the money to ensure that presidential elections--which mathematicians' statistical analyses reveal as improbable by numbers which till now were usually only common in astronomical calculations--then why and how can we or ought we afford the lives of men and women in pitched battles to defend and protect our nation and the political institutions which defined it until these morally-lost times?

Ensuring that every legal vote counts and that no illegal votes are counted?

Nah, just *not really that important*.

Getting to the bottom of the Steele dossier conspiracy--that was another ambition, led by Republicans and fiercely resisted by Democrats and Trump's opposition (in both parties)? Again, viewed by these same as Nah, just *not really that important*.

Corrupting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act's statutory Court of review for applications for warrants of intelligence agency surveillance--now a matter proved to have taken place by a conviction in federal criminal court of one of that conspiracy's principals? Again, Nah, just *not really that important*.


In contrast to these we have months and millions spent on a vain and desperate quest to impeach, try, convict and remove president Trump.

And the charges levelled against the president? These were stated in two articles of impeachment which, in sum, read,

(1) abuse of power,

and

(2) obstruction of Congress



The Constitution requires that such undertakings be founded on evidence of what are termed, in capital letters in the MS, "Treason, Bribery and other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." (Article II, Sec. iv). Trump's pursuers made it clear that, as they read the Constitution, the president was, of right, subject to impeachment, trial, conviction and removal on any ground whatsoever deemed warranted by the members of the House of Representatives. This is now a precedent in Congressional practice. There is now no bar, be it ever so low, which cannot warrant a president's impeachment, trial and conviction and removal. Let a president Biden or Harris beware that now-established precedent.

And, as for the Democrats, who failed to gain assent for proof of and conviction on any of the details which supposedly supported the allegations of "abuse of power" or "obstruction of Congress" (see linked House Resolution, above), upon trial, to win a conviction--they failed to even win a simple majority of votes in the Senate--that enterprise was deemed *really that important*.

In the nation at large, among the general public, by the end of the impeachment and trial, ended in acquittal, the majority of Americans, when polled on their view of the impeachment gave mixed but generally negative views:



" A USA Today/Suffolk University poll conducted between December 10 and 14, 2019 found that 45% of respondents supported the impeachment and removal of Trump from office, while 51% opposed it.(198) A CNN poll conducted from December 12 to 15 also found 45% supported impeachment and removal, compared to 47% who opposed the idea.(199) A Gallup poll released on the day of Trump's impeachment found that the president's approval rating increased by six points during the impeachment process, while support for the impeachment fell.(200) Another CNN poll conducted between January 16 and 19, 2020 found that 51% supported Trump's removal from office, compared to 45% who opposed it.(201) An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released on January 2, 2020 showed 46% favored removal from office and 49% opposed, with the in favor/opposed being almost exclusively along party lines.(202)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump#Articles_of_impeachmen...)
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(emphasis added)



In sum, Democrats sought (and failed) to impeach president Trump because, in effect, they didn't like him.

In the following election, so confident were these same Democrats that the nation at large probably did like president Trump enough to re-elect him to office, that they mounted a deliberate conspiracy to defraud the vote and the electoral processes in general.

The evidence--which Democrats are keen to suppress and deny--, mathematically supported by statistical analyses which remain to this point completely unrefuted--indicates that their fears were correct: the voters chose to and did re-elect the president but for the mass-news-media's and the courts' conniving in their concerted efforts to derail the orderly and fair collection and counting of legitimate ballots, that re-election should have gone ahead to its conclusion.

129Molly3028
des. 9, 2020, 7:18am

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/12/08/arizona-gop-asks-if-republi...
"In another sign that President Trump’s bogus voter fraud claims are encouraging violent rhetoric, the Arizona Republican Party’s official Twitter account asked its followers on Tuesday if they are prepared to give up their lives to fight for the president in his quest to overturn the results of the election."

My take away ~These Arizona GOP lunatics appear to
be in a Jim-Jones frame of mind ~ the kool-aid they
have been drinking for over 4 years has rotted their
gray matter ~ Arizona voters should be appalled.
Apparently, the power of a life-long con man and cult
personality is too strong for people with mental health
issues to shake off.

130lriley
des. 9, 2020, 7:47am

#128--yeah close. The orange shitbird is just behind by 7 million votes......and you don't have evidence otherwise. Your side has lost just about every court challenge and even the right wing AG and the right wing Supreme Court don't want to touch it. All the bullshit claims just to satisfy Trump and his followers grievances, resentments and paranoia and again without a shred of evidence. Before this is all over people are very likely to be murdered because of the need to feed this orange asshole's gigantic ego.

131margd
Editat: des. 9, 2020, 9:56am

NEVADA

Marc E. Elias (DemDocket lawyer @marceelias | 1:39 AM · Dec 9, 2020
BREAKING: The Nevada Supreme Court 6-0 AFFIRMS lower court decision DISMISSING Trump Election Contest.
Nevada is DONE.
Trump and his allies are 1-51 in post election litigation.

ALERT: VICTORY IN NEVADA
Nevada Supreme Court denies Republican appeal of election contest.
democracydocket.com

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David Frum @davidfrum | 5:28 PM · Dec 4, 2020:
We're nearing the point where Paul Simon could write "There must be 50 ways to lose your recount."


FIFTY WAYS TO LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE - a Parody | Don Caron (3:08)
Written and Performed by Don Caron | Nov 15, 2020
Executive Producers Sally Headley, Jack Heighway and Jerry PenderT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QybcBH6rSw

Mo Bella @Mocraig13 | 7:43 PM · Nov 20, 2020
Instead of the Secret Service removing trump, why not have the Forest Service do it?
They will dart him, weigh him, take his vitals, tag his ear and then put him in a place where he won't come in contact with people anymore.

Just a thought...

132kiparsky
des. 9, 2020, 9:18am

>128 proximity1: certainly the most contested (disputed for its legitimacy) presidential election in modern U.S. history

Disputed, I suppose, in the sense that the loser of the election disputes that he lost. But in fact, he lost, and all of his "disputing" hasn't changed that.

calls for ensuring that every legal vote is counted

Which has happened. The votes have been counted and your guy lost. You're only jumping up and down on the shreds of your own credibility now.

which mathematicians' statistical analyses reveal as improbable by numbers which till now were usually only common in astronomical calculations

You've offered two mathematical "analyses", neither of which survived contact with reality. So far, you've offered no other mathematical analyses, so this is simply a lie. You have shown exactly no mathematical analysis that shows the results to be "improbable". It's time to put up or shut up.

Getting to the bottom of the Steele dossier conspiracy

Wow, playing the oldies. Let me guess... running out of material, so you need to recycle? Just wanted to bulk up the post a bit to ensure that you'd meet your minimum word count?

In sum, Democrats sought (and failed) to impeach president Trump because, in effect, they didn't like him.

Wrong and wrong. Democrats successfully impeached Trump, for crimes and misdemeanors outlined in the impeachment documents. Republicans failed to convict, because they don't have the patriotism to vote in favor of their country over their party. That is a failure by Republicans to do their duty to their country. We'll see if they survive this failure.

In the following election, so confident were these same Democrats that the nation at large probably did like president Trump enough to re-elect him to office, that they mounted a deliberate conspiracy to defraud the vote and the electoral processes in general.

So you've said, over and over. And you've offered almost nothing to support this claim, and none of the evidence that you've managed to scrape together has held up to scrutiny. Why do you believe things that you can't defend?

133margd
des. 9, 2020, 5:00pm

Wolf Blitzer (CNN) @wolfblitzer | 2:50 PM · Dec 9, 2020:
This Just In. All 50 States and DC have now officially certified their presidential election results.
The @JoeBiden national popular vote lead over @realDonaldTrump is more than 7 million votes - 51.3% to 46.8%.
Biden has 306 Electoral Votes; Trump has 232. (270 needed to win.)
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National Archives
2020 Electoral College Results
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020

134Limelite
des. 9, 2020, 5:39pm

Unlikely SCOTUS Will "Entertain" TX Nullification Lawsuit

"Madness" is what one honorable Republican -- Romney -- is calling his own party's pursuit of a nullification of Biden's win and attack on the Electoral College process. The last-ditch TX lawsuit is kabuki, not a normal function of seeking legal resolution to an actual question of law. Trump, his loony lawyers, power hungry Congressional politicians, and his crazy anti-American supporters are so deluded that they deny the noses on their faces.

SCOTUS refused the Republican appeal of PA's supreme court dismissal to get the state's election result overturned duplicating that decision in the Court of Last Resort. DISMISSED.

Seventeen seditious, traitorous, unpatriotic, betrayers of democracy and their Constitutional oaths have signed on to overturn a free and fair election by stealing the legitimate votes of the people of GA, MI, PA, and WI. GA's two Republican US Senate candidates both laud the effort and have jumped aboard the Paxton clown train out of craven cowardice to stand against what is wrong and who is in the wrong. By giving their fullthroated endorsement to the acts of a corrupt TX AG looking to grovel before a demented soon-to-be-ex-president to secure his personal pardon, Perdue and Loeffler have ceded the soveriegnty of Georgia to the state of Texas.

No voter in GA should fool themselves into believing that either of them is "for the people of GA." They are only for their own mercenary pursuits of insider information in order to further enrich themselves through illegal stock trading. If Loeffler claims innocence, the information she passed to her husband about the provisions in a pending piece of "secret legislation" is proof enough of her perfidy. He traded on it.

Those 17+2 wannabes are also too stupid to be qualified for any public office, let alone office responsible for making the laws of the land, at which they scoff. How do we know? SCOTUS told them so as only SCOTUS can tell any entity about how they will rule in the future. But they will bash the wall with their heads until their Cult Leader tells them to stand down.

Paxton's case is simply a copy-cat of the PA case recently rejected out of hand. Earlier, SCOTUS Chief Justice John Roberts stated bluntly that his court would not overturn election processes that individual states adopted, so "don't bother applying." He and his bench have done everything to make clear that SCOTUS has no intention of allowing itself to be manipulated by Trump into becoming a party to his autocratic madness to steal the election from the legally certified winner.

Paxton's attempted abuse of the court with another bunk lawsuit will be disposed of at the door of the SCOTUS.

135prosfilaes
des. 9, 2020, 7:38pm

Speaking as a Nevadan, this is the point when Trump needs to put everything on the long shot. One state in the nation can win him this election; he needs to challenge the election in California. What does he have to lose?

136Limelite
des. 9, 2020, 7:53pm

>135 prosfilaes:

Trump isn't going for the win. Trump is going for the dismantling of America by challenging "margin of error close results" in states where he got wins in '16 because there has to have been "widespread election fraud."

It's a case of math denial and belief in erroneous right wing pollsters that's motivating his abuse of the courts. That, combined with a case of, "If I'm going down, I'm going to take the whole country with me!" spite.

137Molly3028
Editat: des. 10, 2020, 7:36am

https://www.mediaite.com/radio/rush-limbaugh-i-actually-think-that-were-trending...
Rush Limbaugh: ‘I Actually Think That We’re Trending Toward Secession’

Rush Limbaugh, like his cult leader, has been a life-long
con man. He lived amongst the millionaires and
billionaires in NYC for decades. He built his empire
there. He now lives amongst the millionaires and
billionaires in Florida. His long-time flyover-country
listeners have been taken in by his "I'm just one of
you" con job for decades. When are they going to
wake up and smell the garbage this elitist has been
spewing for over a quarter of a century?

138margd
Editat: des. 10, 2020, 7:54am

3,000 Americans died of COVID yesterday.

Meanwhile:
17 state AGs (Rs) support US Supreme Court case against WI, MI, PA, GA electing Biden, not Trump.
20-some US Reps (Rs) support congressional challenge to the Electoral College, Jan 6.
McConnell ties COVID relief and vax distribution $ to protecting businesses from lawsuits.

What is WRONG with these people??
What are we doing electing them??

139proximity1
Editat: des. 10, 2020, 3:19pm





6 Things To Know About Texas’s Supreme Court Petition Over 2020’s Messed-Up Election | Texas argues that the case ‘presents constitutional questions of immense national consequences,’ namely that the 2020 election suffered from serious constitutional irregularities | by Margot Cleveland | The Federalist (Washington, D.C.) | 9 December, 2020



… ...

“In its memorandum in support of its motion, Texas argues that the case 'presents constitutional questions of immense national consequences,' namely that the 2020 election suffered from serious constitutional irregularities, including violations by the defendant states of the Electors Clause and the Due Process Clause of the Constitution. The brief also argues that a ruling would help 'preserve the Constitution and help prevent irregularities in future elections.'

“Texas, however, also argues the Supreme Court’s 'review is not discretionary.' In other words, Texas is also asking the Supreme Court to overturn its precedent that holds that the high court need not accept a complaint filed by one state against one or more defendant states. Given the time-sensitivity of the election dispute, it is unlikely that the Supreme Court will want to waste precious days revisiting this precedent—something unnecessary if the Supreme Court accepts the Bill of Complaint on a discretionary basis.

… ...

“Noting that federal law establishes Dec. 8 as a safe harbor for certifying presidential electors, that the Electoral College votes on Dec. 14, and the House of Representatives counts votes on Jan. 6, Texas implores the court to expedite the proceeding, as 'absent some form of relief, the defendants will appoint electors based on unconstitutional and deeply uncertain election results.'

"Yesterday the court, recognizing the urgency of the matter, ordered responses by the defendant states to Texas’s Motion for Leave to File a Bill of Complaints, and Texas’s Motion for a Preliminary Injunction, Temporary Restraining Order, or a Stay, to be filed by Dec. 10, 2020, at 3 p.m.

3. Texas Presents Serious Constitutional Claims

“Notwithstanding some branding Texas lawsuit a 'Hail Mary' attempt to block the outcome of the 2020 election, the Lone Star State’s complaint presents serious constitutional issues. Those issues, as Texas puts it, far exceed the electoral irregularities of 'the hanging-chad saga of the 2000 election.'

“In its Bill of Complaint, filed along with its Motion for Leave, Texas presents three constitutional challenges. Count 1 alleges the defendant states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution.

“The Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution provides 'each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress.' As Texas notes, this clause 'makes clear that only the legislatures of the States are permitted to determine the rules for appointing presidential electors.'

“But, as Texas reveals in its detailed summary of the facts, each of the defendant states, through non-legislative actors, nullified legislatively established election laws in violation of the Electors Clause. For example, several large Wisconsin counties used drop boxes in direct violation of the Wisconsin Election Code that provides detailed procedures by which municipalities may designate sites for the acceptance of absentee ballots. Wisconsin election officials also ignored the statutory certification requirements for absentee ballots, counting votes that the state legislature defined as illegal because they did not include a witness signature and address.

“Michigan election officials likewise violated the statutory mandates established by the state legislature, with the secretary of state mass mailing absentee ballots in contravention of state law. And in Wayne County, the home of Detroit’s Democratic stronghold, election officials ignored the state’s signature verification requirement. Georgia also violated the legislature’s requirement for signature verifications, according to Texas’s complaint.

“The most egregious violations alleged came from Pennsylvania, where election officials ignored the statutory bar on inspecting ballots before election day, then illegally provided voter information to third parties and allowed illegal curing of the ballots. Significantly, in Pennsylvania these illegal practices only occurred in Democratic strongholds, with Republicans following the law.

“These and other practices, Texas alleges, establish a clear violation of the Electors Clause, because that clause makes clear that it is the state legislature—and not administrative agencies, election officials, or even courts—charged under our constitutional system with selecting electors. (This argument finds support in the three-justice concurrence authored by then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist in Bush v. Gore.) From there, Texas’s Count 1 argues that 'electors appointed to Electoral College in violation of the Electors Clause cannot cast constitutionally valid votes for the office of President.'

“In Count 2, Texas relied on the same facts, then asserted an Equal Protection claim, premised on the reasoning of the majority opinion in Bush v. Gore. In Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court held that the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution is violated when states apply differing standards for judging the legality of votes cast for president.

“'The right to vote is protected in more than the initial allocation of the franchise,' the Supreme Court wrote. 'Equal protection applies as well to the manner of its exercise. Having once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.'

“Then, citing its detailed statement of the facts, which highlighted the defendant states’ disparate treatment of voters, Texas argues in Count 2 that 'equal protection violations in one State can and do adversely affect and diminish the weight of votes cast in States that lawfully abide by the election structure set forth in the Constitution.'

“Finally, in Count 3, Texas asserts a violation of the Due Process Clause of the Constitution. This claim is premised on Texas’s allegation that the election practices of the defendant states in 2020 reached 'the point of patent and fundamental unfairness,' thus violating substantive due process.

“These three counts, and the detailed facts Texas alleges, make clear that Texas’s beef is not with the states’ election laws, but with the states’ violation of their own election laws, in contravention of the U.S. Constitution.

4. Texas’s Standing to Sue

“Merely alleging the defendant states violated the Constitution, however, is not enough. Texas must also establish that it has 'standing' to sue, meaning it has been injured in a way entitling it to stand before the court and seek redress. In its Motion for Leave, Texas argues at great length that it has standing, and presents three separate bases for it.

“First, Texas claims the right to present the constitutional claims of its citizens, who 'have the right to demand that all other States abide by the constitutionally set rules in appointing presidential electors to the electoral college.'

“Second, Texas 'presses its own form of voting-rights injury as States' premised on the structure of the Constitution. 'Whereas the House represents the People proportionally, the Senate represents the States,' Texas notes. Thus, 'while Americans likely care more about who is elected President, the States have a distinct interest in who is elected Vice President and thus who can cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate,' the Texas brief stresses. 'Through that interest,' the brief continues:

'States suffer an Article III injury when another State violates federal law to affect the outcome of a presidential election. This injury is particularly acute in 2020, where a Senate majority often will hang on the Vice President’s tie-breaking vote because of the nearly equal—and, depending on the outcome of Georgia run-off elections in January, possibly equal— balance between political parties. Quite simply, it is vitally important to the States who becomes Vice President.'


“Finally, Texas argues it has standing to sue as a representative of the state’s 'electors.' These electors, Texas argues, suffer a 'legislative injury whenever allegedly improper actions deny them a working majority.' Since 'the electoral college is a zero-sum game,' the unconstitutional appointment of electors in other states injures Texas’s electors, according to the briefing.

5. Texas Is Not Seeking to Overturn the Election—Or Install Trump

“These injuries, Texas asserts, demand a remedy. But the remedy sought is not what some may surmise is the goal—a second term for President Trump.

“No, what Texas seeks is for the Supreme Court to mandate that the defendant states comply with the Constitution, and that means that electors are selected by the states’ legislatures. Texas makes this point clear, stressing: 'Plaintiff State does not ask this Court to decide who won the election; they only ask that the Court enjoin the clear violations of the Electors Clause of the Constitution.'”




140margd
Editat: des. 10, 2020, 5:11pm

John Kruzel (The Hill) @johnkruzel | 3:42 PM · Dec 10, 2020:
JUST IN: New amicus brief from 106 Republican House members in support of Texas' bid to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in the Supreme Court. Here they are
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Laurence Tribe tribelaw | 4:30 PM · Dec 10, 2020:
This says terrible things about these 106 Republican House members. They’re all unprincipled cowards, trembling at the prospect of a mean tweet by the Coward in Chief.

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Trump warns Georgia AG not to rally other Republicans against Texas lawsuit
Greg Bluestein, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution |Dec 9, 2020

President Donald Trump warned Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr not to rally other Republican officials against a long-shot Texas lawsuit seeking to toss out the state’s election results, according to several people with direct knowledge of the conversation.

The roughly 15-minute phone call late Tuesday came shortly before U.S. Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue issued a joint statement saying they “fully support” the improbable lawsuit asking the U.S. Supreme Court to reject election results in Georgia and three other battleground states that Trump lost...

https://www.ajc.com/politics/trump-warns-georgia-ag-not-to-rally-other-republica...
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Steve Vladeck (U TX Law) @steve_vladeck | 2:57 PM · Dec 10, 2020:
And here's an amicus brief from 20 states (and three territories) in support of the defendants (and in opposition to Texas's overturn-the-election #SCOTUS suit):

29 p (https://supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163379/20201210144443769_Texas%20v....
2:57 PM · Dec 10, 2020)

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Laurence Tribe tribelaw | 4:13 PM · Dec 10, 2020:
...This is from the PA brief. The other three Defendant States have filed powerful supportive briefs of their own.

“The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and un- mistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated.”
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43 p ( https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163367/20201210142206254_Pennsy... )
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Steve Vladeck (U TX Law) @steve_vladeck | 12:51 PM · Dec 10, 2020
6 of the states that joined an amicus brief in support of Texas's overturn-the-election #SCOTUS suit are now seeking to intervene *as parties*:

https://supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163322/20201210115500103_2020-12-10...

This intervention motion—like Trump's—underscores why *Texas* has no unique interest (and, thus, no standing).

141Limelite
des. 10, 2020, 8:56pm

Trump and His Lawyers Open to Federal RICO Charges

Former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman suggested that President Donald Trump and his attorneys are vulnerable to federal racketeering charges for their efforts to interfere with the election.

In an interview with MSNBC's Ari Melber, Akerman said,
“Against the lawyers, the client Donald Trump, they should be paying for the court time and other lawyers, and I look for criminal sanctions,” said Akerman. “If you take this back to what the goal here was, which was to keep Joe Biden from becoming president, they are involved in bribery, extortion with President Zelensky, that carried through a premeditated plan to steal the election from Joe Biden.”

“That was the goal of their entire scheme, and I think there is probably a viable racketeering count that could be brought against the people involved, including Donald Trump.”
"They" would include Rudy Giuliani.

Nick Akerman would be. . .this Nick Akerman.

INTERVIEW SEGMENT VIDEO: https://youtu.be/mqzNrgxUMqU

142margd
Editat: gen. 14, 9:22am

One of the millions of votes certain Rs are seeking to cancel is mine.
Will. not. forget.

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You ever think about how the people complaining about cancel culture tried to cancel the votes of 81,283,485 people?

- Max Berger @maxberger | 12:45 PM · Jan 13, 2021

143proximity1
Editat: des. 11, 2020, 9:52am

>141 Limelite:

"Federal RICO Charges"?!?!

LOL!

What the F***?! :^)

Your crowd were those who dared to put President Trump on notice, thusly: ..."You take on the (U.S.) intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday of gettin' back at ya." ...

that's how a sitting U.S. Senator put the president of the United States on notice, trying to, hoping to, intimidate him.

Tell us, please, would these "RICO Charges" come within the scope of the intelligence community's "Six ways from Sunday"?

Your crowd, journalists not least among them, first junked respect for and confidence in elections, daring twice to connive at the effort to defraud them. Now they want to take on Trump under the RICO Act for his supposed effort to do what your crowd has now made two blundering efforts to accomplish?

You're desperate. And you're not going to get away with this shit. Not this time.

144lriley
des. 11, 2020, 9:28am

Personally I wonder if the Biden administration will have the stomach for going after Trump with the feds. There seems to be some delusion on the part of third way center and center right democrats that they can still reach across the aisle and work with their counterparts on the other side--particularly in the Senate. Maybe they could do something if they went at it cynically and made prosecution of Trump contingent with some cooperation with McConnell but I don't see that happening. What I think it will come down to in the end is Biden etal. will lay off if only because because prosecuting Trump can only ratchet up the division even more and they will choose detente over that. If the shoe were on the other foot however I very much doubt that Trump would have the same inhibitions.

I do not see NYS backing off though---either in the Civil or Criminal cases and they will go after his businesses if DeSantis provides asylum against extradition for Trump in Florida. I expect NYS as well to go after his kids and Jared Kushner as well. They've been building these cases for quite some time and Cy Vance and Letitia James are not going to stop and Trump now nor Biden (if he had the inclination) later have the power to stop a state from prosecuting. NYS has already made successful prosecutions with some of the evidence from this material so there would seem to be much that's dangerous here for Donald.

Ultimately Biden will get blamed whether it's a fed or state prosecution. The right wing narrative will be they're one in the same and the average Trump supporter is civically incapable of knowing or telling the difference and one might wonder the same about a good % of Bidens supporters as well.

145margd
des. 11, 2020, 9:47am

>140 margd: contd.

About the Texas Lawsuit
Erick-Woods Erickson | Dec 10, 2020

...Let me explain just how absurd this case is:

Texas can cite no cases at all in its claim that it has standing to sue the states for the administration of their own internal elections.

Texas alleges the other states changed election laws due to the pandemic without the legislature’s blessing. You know one state not being sued that did that? Texas.

The states allege it is illegal to count ballots received after election day. Several of the states making that claim also do that.

Their expert argues a sign of voter fraud is that it is not likely Trump 2016 voters would vote for Biden in 2020. The expert also uses dubious statistical modeling comparing Clinton to Biden.

The Missouri amicus all but says they don’t necessarily agree with Texas’s legal statements, but the case is so important the Supreme Court should hear it.

Texas could not even get its Solicitor General — the man who argues on behalf of the state before the Supreme Court — to sign onto the lawsuit. That’s how frivolous it is...

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/about-the-texas-lawsuit

146lriley
Editat: des. 11, 2020, 10:29am

#145--I think when this is done they're going to have run out of ammunition. This really is their last Hail Mary pass. The Supreme Court already knocked down the last try with a one sentence denial. There doesn't appear to be have been anyone on that Court even willing---not Alito, not Thomas, not Kavanagh, not Coney Barrett. It's always been like Trump has seen stacking the courts as a way to later on call in favors but this isn't even subtle which puts the personal legal integrity of each and every one of these justices on the line and at least last time there wasn't a single one of them willing to cross that line. My guess is the same will play out this time in that they won't take it. I would venture the guess that the 6 conservatives on the Court will prove to Trump and his supporters that they are RINO's one and all.

Lou Dobbs eat shit.

147margd
des. 12, 2020, 1:43am

Rush Limbaugh has mentioned secession. Jane LeRoux drafted us a map:
https://twitter.com/JaneLeRouxxx/status/1337530379964735490/photo/1

148lriley
des. 12, 2020, 3:41am

#147--I would think Virginia, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico would opt with the Canadians too. Maybe one or two others.

149Molly3028
Editat: des. 12, 2020, 7:56am

People who prefer to believe we are still living in the
1700s are upset by the SCOTUS decision. People who
accept the fact that we are living our lives in 21st
Century America understand and laud yesterday's
SCOTUS decision.

150proximity1
Editat: des. 12, 2020, 9:14am

Google’s YouTube Shuts Down Dilbert Creator Scott Adams | December 11, 2020 | By Tristan Justice


Politico Makes Up Devin Nunes COVID Diagnosis, Twitter Follows Suit Amplifying The Fake News | December 11, 2020 By Tristan Justice

"Politico writer Carla Marinucci reported that California Republican Rep. Devin Nunes tested positive for the novel Wuhan coronavirus Friday following an interview with a local California radio station.

" 'New!' Marinucci began on Twitter. 'Ca Rep (Devin Nunes) tells @KMJNOW he tested positive for COVID-19.'

"An honest reading of the transcript, however, reveals Nunes said no such thing." ...





SCOTUS Rejects Texas Lawsuit Contesting Biden’s Wins In Swing States | December 11, 2020 | By Madeline Osburn
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"The Supreme Court Friday rejected the state of Texas’s motion to leave challenging the constitutionality of Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s wins in the key swing states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

“ 'The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot,' the order reads.


"Justices Alito, joined by Thomas, notes that they don't think the Supreme Court has discretion to deny the filing of such a lawsuit. 'I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.' pic.twitter.com/VHg1dtQA5s

— Todd Ruger (@ToddRuger) December 11, 2020"


"Only two justices, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, said they would have allowed the case to be filed with the court on technical grounds but emphasized they would grant no other relief.

“ 'I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue,' a statement from Alito read.

"Monday night, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton filed the 'Bill of Complaint,' which was not seeking to overturn the election but rather seeking a mandate that states comply with the Constitution. 'Plaintiff State does not ask this Court to decide who won the election; they only ask that the Court enjoin the clear violations of the Electors Clause of the Constitution,' the state argued."



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Article I, Section iv, ( Congressional elections, Clause 1: Time, place, and manner of holding):

“The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”

Article IV, Section iv, clause 1:

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, (...)”

Alden v. Maine, 527 U.S. 706 (1999)



… “2. The States' immunity from private suit in their own courts is beyond congressional power to abrogate by Article I legislation. Pp. 730-754.

(a) Congress may exercise its Article I powers to subject States to private suits in their own courts only if there is compelling evidence that States were required to surrender this power to Congress pursuant to the constitutional design. Blatchford v. Native Village of Noatak, 501 U. S. 775, 781. pp. 730-731.

(b) Neither the Constitution's text nor the Court's recent sovereign immunity decisions establish that States were required to relinquish this portion of their sovereignty. Pp. 731-740.

(1) The Constitution, by delegating to Congress the power to establish the supreme law of the land when acting within its enumerated powers, does not foreclose a State from asserting immunity to claims arising under federal law merely because that law derives not from the State itself but from the national power. See, e. g., Hans v. Louisiana, 134 U. S. 1. Moreover, the specific Article I powers delegated to Congress do not necessarily include the incidental authority to subject States to private suits as a means of achieving objectives otherwise within the enumerated powers' scope. Those decisions that have endorsed this contention, see, e. g., Parden v. Terminal R. Co. of Ala. Docks Dept., 377 U. S. 184, 190-194, have been overruled, see, e. g., College Savings Bank v. Florida Prepaid Post-secondary Ed. Expense Bd., ante, at 680. Pp. 731-735.

(2) Isolated statements in some of this Court's cases suggest that the Eleventh Amendment is inapplicable in state courts. This is a truism as to the Amendment's literal terms. However, the Amendment's bare text is not an exhaustive description of States' constitutional immunity, and the cases do not decide the question whether States retain immunity in their own courts notwithstanding an attempted abrogation by Congress. pp. 735-740.

(c) Whether Congress has the authority under Article I to abrogate a State's immunity in its own courts is, then, a question of first impression. History, practice, precedent, and the Constitution's structure” …





Apparently, then, Article IV, Section iv, clause 1 stands, for certain, if not, indeed, for all practical intents and purposes a "dead-letter" in law.

People are free to cheer such an outcome. I'd expect Vladimir Putin to be foremost among them with his Ukraine henchmen and Hunter Biden's paymasters not far behind them.

But no American, regardless of party or ideological bent, should cheer this outcome.

It means that, should some states' governments descend into what is hardly better than a Mafia-like family or set of interlinked families and these, under color of law, seek to arrange the state's electoral processes such that their family's pre-selected candidates are virtually assured of a majority of ballots--because the family's chosen state election officers guide, operate and determine all matters of how the voting procedures are to be arranged, no outraged citizen's of other states can find any recourse in law, "boo" about the electoral consequences of such an arrangement or its consequences.

Courts and legislators should bear in mind that all popular opinion about the inherent legitimacy or the lack of it in a political or electoral system is entirely up to individuals to determine according to the judgment of each.

Hard experience may lead some to the conclusion that their own blind partisanship has induced them to create political and electoral circumstances which they come to grievously regret--but regret only too late.

The best that we may now hope for is that this fresh decision of the Court to deny, to dismiss, without even a full hearing on the merits, the application by the Attorney General of the State of Texas "for leave to file a bill of complaint" on the fantasist notion that somehow the State of Texas
"lacks standing under Article III of the Constitution" and that "Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections" is sooner rather than later revealed to have been a blunder in judgment of immense proportions.

No law, no statute, no court order can require a citizen to regard his local, county, state or national government as legitimate or deserving of his respect for its honesty or fairness when, eyes wide open, he sees any or all of these as anything but that.

What then?


The best that we may now hope for is that the Biden administration is such an unmitigated disaster that its rank and reeking lack of legitimacy can no longer be ignored or denied, no matter how rabid one's blind partisanship.

When such is what we must hope for as the "best-case scenario" the nation is in one hell of a fucking mess.

Now, go and spend an hour and forty-five minutes watching James Mangold's Cop Land (1997) and, as you watch, reflect on the fact that you live in "Cop Land" --the country, not the small town-- Cop Land U.S.A. and yours is not a movie, it's real life and in that there is no character such as "Sheriff Freddy Heflin", no "Moe Tilden."

Whether you now know it or not, you live in the electoral-system nightmare equivalent of Cop Land and you're probably going to come to grasp that eventually however you may strive to deny or ignore it. When you at last have to admit the truth to yourself, then you'll know just how fucked you are.

You can't change the channel, you can't turn off the set. This isn't a movie, it's your reality--and you earned it.

Moe Tilden : "What you've got here, sheriff, is a town that scares the shit outta certain people. "

151lriley
des. 12, 2020, 10:57am

#150--a day or so ago you thought that the Paxton case was a winner. Most the rest of us thought it was going to go the way of your 0 for 50 Giuliani/Powell/Ellis/DiGenova/Toensing lawsuits and of course when it comes to corruption you put all your attention to the Biden's and none to Trump or his family or to Paxton. They're squeaky clean and then you make out the rest of us are one sided.

So let's just say that Hunter Biden--whether it's criminal or not doesn't smell that good and if the Justice Dept. continues to look at that I'm more than fine with it. Fact is I'm pretty damned sure there's plenty of criminality to be found at the Clinton Foundation though I'm doubtful that this administration is going to touch it but Bill Barr didn't really either. The Trump organization though has lots and lots of corruption too--his entire presidency has been about such--just for one example--his hotel full of Saudi's and his arms deal with Saudi Arabia. Add in all the emoluments and more--he has his NYS crimes as well which Michael Cohen went down for--there is really no end---your guy is like Boris Yeltsin on steroids--a billionaire(?) grifter.

To me you're the cherry picker here. Your hero is an angel when he's anything but and AFAIC he, Obama and Bush II for that matter could all go down for war crimes. I really don't know what the fuck you want except any reason at all to grouse. This corrupt Texas AG whose own staff turned on him en masse for his corruption and it doesn't even register on your radar. All of a sudden the state of Texas is the example for the rest of the states to follow? Since fucking when? Do you remember Tom Delay at all?

The Supreme Court did what it should have done plain and simple. Stepping in to take away the voting rights of millions of citizens is a bridge way too fucking far.

152proximity1
Editat: des. 12, 2020, 12:12pm

"Stepping in to take away the voting rights of millions of citizens is a bridge way too fucking far."

THAT is exactly what your camp is up to.

Take the beam out of your own eye.

You don't know what I want?!? I want a minimally decent, minimally fair electoral process in which congressional and presidential elections in the U.S. don't compare unfavorably with those in Ukraine, Russia or North Korea.

Trump, while not my "hero", at least actually won his tenure in office according to the established, known, accepted and standard legal electoral procedures. No one can honestly claim that about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris who, if they get into office shall owe that to their having cheated Trump's voters, their fellow citizens, out of seeing their votes count and produce a second equally fairly won term of office for Trump.

In the eyes of many around the world, the people of the United States--that is, a good half of them, college-educated for the most part--are hopeless dupes, fools, ready-to-be-plucked cowards and morons. That is, in other words, they're absolutely indistinguishable from the vast herd of morally-lost-and-really-cannot-give-a-fuck-as-long-as-the-television-works-there's-beer-in-the-fridge-and-the-sofa-hasn't-been-reposessed found in so much of the world elsewhere.

U.S. journalists now resemble those, their peers, who work for the state organs such as (whatever is currently) the official state-approved mouth-piece in Moscow. But, they needn't actually go to Moscow in order to find that kind of work. They already have it--in California, in New York, and in hundreds of cities and towns across America.

Trump's first -term election and the corruption-fed-and-directed theft by his opponents of a rightly-won second term serve as "reality checks", canaries in a poisoned coal-mine, as harbingers of the present and the future it portends.

Again, political America today is the the picture of Dorian Gray and journalists and professional journalism are its most gruesome, putrid aspect.

Impeach, try, convict and remove Biden/Harris from office--unless they resign first and turn themselves over to the proper law enforcement officials for prosecution in a criminal court.

153Limelite
des. 12, 2020, 11:40am

As for TX, it throws a secession fit anytime a racist loses. In 2012, the blue belles of TX wanted to secede because Obama was reelected. Now it wants to go home(?) and take its marbles because the scummiest racist in the USA didn't get reelected.

TX could make the country healthier by dropping off the American map. All the decent people in the former state would emigrate to the USA. All the racist, gun sucker Trumpty-Dumbpties would flock to the has been state.

God bless America!

TX needs to shut up, take its corrupt Republicans, and LEAVE, already! Anything to get the Don-Con out of FL and make himself Emperor for life in TX.

154theoria
des. 12, 2020, 12:00pm

Finally, the pestilence of Trump and his MAGAts is lifting. All that's needed now is a vaccine for this populist plague, to limit further outbreaks.

155lriley
des. 12, 2020, 12:15pm

#152--FWIW I am not college educated. FWIW 'my camp' has more often than not included third party candidates which is something pretty much abhorred by most people who consider themselves 'democrats'. FWIW some more 'In the eyes of the world' never mattered at all to the current resident of the White House. There are particular heads of state he gets along with or has tried to--Brazil, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Hungary for instance. He's also had a curious relationship with Putin and the knucklehead in North Korea. Where there is a right wing despot he feels the most comfortable. Pretty much our traditional allies he's fucked about with constantly......but personally I'm not a big NATO fan. Personally I'm not into endless wars or hundreds and hundreds of overseas military bases or us as the World's policeman. I'm interested in establishing a domestic economic foundation that allows us to build our country from the bottom up and not the top down and a plutocrat like the orange shitbird was always a bad idea to my eyes. Let's go further Trump is a bigot, a racist and an elitist and as corrupt as all get out. He's also a pathological liar, illiterate and stupid.

156lriley
Editat: des. 12, 2020, 12:36pm

#152--Here's the other thing. You want to go to court with hearsay and no real evidence of anything and you expect the courts to bend over for you. Saying something doesn't make it true and saying it over and over again doesn't make it true and gulling millions into believing your bullshit and lies doesn't make shit true either. This is why you couldn't win in any court even those with your own appointees adjudicating. You have to bring something that's for real and your feelings or intuitions your sense of aggrievement don't count for shit. All these judges and justices saw you had nothing and acted accordingly. Now even Bill Barr is worthless and Trump's take out of all this is everyone's against him. So sad.

157kiparsky
des. 12, 2020, 2:01pm

>152 proximity1: I want a minimally decent, minimally fair electoral process

Your guys are certainly working hard to minimize decency and fairness in the electoral process. That's why real Americans hate the people you idolize.

158Limelite
des. 12, 2020, 3:08pm

Dude, you LOST in the most secure election of the century.

I want a maximally fair election process where everyone gets to vote in the most convenient conditions possible and any senators or agitators who upset the fairness of access to the polls and sanctity of the count are imprisoned for interference.

Of course it would help if the Republicans knew enough about governance to nominate a not-complete failure whose election actually was stolen from the choice of the people by Russian interference.

159prosfilaes
des. 12, 2020, 9:24pm

>152 proximity1: Trump, while not my "hero", at least actually won his tenure in office according to the established, known, accepted and standard legal electoral procedures.

Prove it. The Republicans have spent so much time on this that I have to wonder if this is all because they stole the 2016 election. We assumed that it was legit and largely didn't fight it, but maybe that was a mistake.

160lriley
des. 12, 2020, 9:38pm

Maybe it's just me but any election where the winner gets less votes than the loser is kind of fucked up and when you get 2.9 million less votes.....well.......what does that say about an electoral system?

161margd
Editat: des. 13, 2020, 4:59am

>148 lriley: I would think Virginia, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico would opt with the Canadians too. Maybe one or two others.

Well, okay. If you vouch for them. ;)

United States of Canada has a nice ring to it, doncha think, given etymology of 'Canada' and 'America':
America, first used 1507, when it appeared on a world map in honor of Italian explorer, Amerigo Vespucci.
Canada, from the St. Lawrence Iroquoian word kanata, meaning "village" or "settlement".

I don't think Canadians would be interested, though, especially right now. For the most part, they are horrified both by Trump and by COVID. Before the first NAFTA, the prospect was discussed and summarily dismissed. The cultural differences were huge even then. (Don't think the United Empire Loyalists have ever forgotten: I remember one descendant working in the US (1990s) who was truly unnerved at what his granny would think if she discovered his son recited Pledge of Allegiance every morning in his US school.) Anyway, ironically enough, my dad was of the opinion pre-NAFTA that the US SOUTH would never allow Canada-US union--it would give the NORTH too much political power!

I was disappointed ~1970 that Canada discouraged the notion of Belize and a Caribbean island--I forget which one--joining the confederation... Too costly to extend Canadian-style benefits as I recall, but think of the winter vacays!

162proximity1
Editat: des. 13, 2020, 6:54am

Your (pl.) demonstrated conceptions of the "maximally fair accepted" electoral processes are well inferior to what I regard as the "minimally fair" of these same.

Speaking of long-standing unresolved issues of American constitutional law and practice, it is high time this matter was dealt with in a responsible and clear manner:



" Ambiguities regarding succession and inability (Wikipedia: order of U.S. presidential succession)

... "In April 1841, John Tyler became the first person to succeed to the presidency intra-term upon the death of William Henry Harrison.

"Although the Presidential Succession Clause in Article II of the Constitution clearly provided for the vice president to take over the "powers and duties" of the presidency in the event of a president's removal, death, resignation, or inability, left unclear was whether the vice president became president of the United States or simply temporarily acted as president in a case of succession.(8) Some historians, including Edward Corwin and John D. Feerick,(20) have argued that the framers' intention was that the vice president would remain vice president while executing the powers and duties of the presidency until a new president could be elected.(21)

"The hypothetical debate about whether the office or merely the powers of the office devolve upon a vice president who succeeds to the presidency between elections became an urgent constitutional issue in 1841, when President William Henry Harrison died in office, only 31 days into his term. Vice President John Tyler claimed a constitutional mandate to carry out the full powers and duties of the presidency, asserting he was the president and not merely a temporary acting president, by taking the presidential oath of office." ...



I support Edward Corwin's and John D. Feerick's view of it: the Vice-president or other replacement officer ought to serve only such time as is necessary to arrange a fresh election of the president--and that should be done without undue delays.

Impeach Biden/Harris (et seq.)! --from January 22nd, 2021!

En/na 2020: November election and beyond... (XVI) ha continuat aquest tema.