Apparently it is either President Biden - or President Pelosi. Please Jebus.

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Apparently it is either President Biden - or President Pelosi. Please Jebus.

1JGL53
des. 16, 2020, 10:06pm

2davidgn
Editat: des. 16, 2020, 10:33pm

>1 JGL53: I, for one, will happily volunteer to harbor any Democratic senators-in-hiding.

3proximity1
Editat: des. 17, 2020, 9:35am



... "The Constitution specifies that if there is no Electoral College winner, the Senate chooses the vice president and the House picks the president. The Senate, claiming that there is no Electoral College result, picks Pence.

"Overturning an election? Why not? The raw hatred and polarization in American politics have shown that no precedent or law is safe. Ask Merrick Garland.

"And it won’t be a Biden-Pence administration. The Democratic majority in the House can’t pick Biden because when picking a president, the House votes by state delegation, and the Republicans control more House delegations.

"The House Democrats will never let that vote happen. Which means we won’t have a president. If we don’t have a president by noon on Jan. 20, the law of presidential succession comes into play.

"But who is next in line of succession? Republicans will claim that the presidency is empty, but the Senate did its job and picked Pence as vice president. The Democrats will say the whole process was illegal and unconstitutional, and that the next in line is therefore the House Speaker, presumably Nancy Pelosi.

"Stalemate. An empty presidency at noon on Jan. 20, with Trump tweeting that it should remain his, Democrats saying Pelosi or Biden and some Republicans secretly hoping it’s Pence.

"And if you’re thinking that the Supreme Court would save Biden, think again. It would probably rule the question to be a political one, and therefore non-justiciable. There isn’t a clear constitutional principle or law that the court could apply.

"Can anything be done to prevent this? Nothing can stop the delay. But the final manoeuvre of picking Pence by the Senate can be stopped in two ways. First, a few honest Republican senators could vote for Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, since her ticket actually won.

"That would almost surely mean the end of their political career.

"Failing that, Democratic senators would have to deny the Senate a quorum, which would mean neither chamber would have picked a winner. Under the 12th Amendment, two-thirds of all senators must be present. If 34 Democrats leave the chamber, they can stop Pence’s selection. If they do, then all the GOP delay would have led to replacing Biden with ... President Nancy Pelosi."

"Of course, if the GOP really wanted to move America toward banana republic territory, the rules allow the sergeant-at-arms to arrest and drag senators back to the chamber to make a quorum. It’s impossible to say if they’d go that far, or if it would succeed.

"But what we can say is that this isn’t over yet. Most likely, Biden is our next president, but we could be in for a very rough ride between now and Jan. 20."

(Jeremy B.Mayer / (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/530306-no-biden-hasnt-won-yet-one-more-n...))


That article's entire premise reeks of flagrant bad faith on the part of bullies and frauds who, fearing their underhanded work might still be undone, are now complaining--in anticipation--of the prospects of others, their victims, turning the tables on their bullying, their conspiracies and their fraud in an attempt to actually use the rule-books to stop their deeds' being given official approval.
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So, there we have it: applying the Rules of the House and the Senate as they're written, voted, and adopted and used for decades if not centuries--that is now characterized as "mov(ing) America toward banana republic territory" should the rules be applied to actually require them, legally, to convene and discharge their sworn duties as Senators and Representatives.

Here, we have Democrats and their apologists, people already having shown themselves ready to excuse and deny the most flagrant and demonstrated election fraud in the nation's history, now posing a hypothetical case in which they envision their political opponents doing what the rules of the House or Senate provide--- now objecting that it would be a wild, extreme, and banana-republic-like move for members of the House and Senate to actually enforce the rules of these bodies to require their members to discharge their sworn duties to the nation.

No, no, no.

You see, you people set this up. Now you get to reap the FULL consequences of the tawdry criminal mess you've made or in the making of which you've connived.

The use of House and Senate Sergeants to enforce attendance in the chambers doesn't produce a banana-republic, as this article's author claims; rather, it's the now perhaps last legal resort to preventing a fraudulent election from being ratified in the House and Senate of the United States.

These are the rules. Your bad faith has ensured that, as "push has come to shove," those rules may be enforced and used according to their prescribed meanings and purposes.

States, voting by whole-state delegations, each state having one vote, are under no legal obligation to meekly submit to the Democrats' elaborate electoral frauds and, as for moral obligations, they're positively obliged to halt and reverse them--in the manner described above, if the courts prove as derelict in their legal duties as have been these lawless conspirators to thwart a proper election--and I see no good or even defensible reason why they shouldn't do just that.

This whole thing was made very ugly by the people joined in an illegal conspiracy to undermine Trump. It's far too late now for any of them to object to things having become just shockingly ugly. They'd already ensured that.

You want ugly? You ready for ugly? You have no idea.

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Biden Should Beware of Nemesis. |
By Victor Davis Hanson

4lriley
des. 17, 2020, 9:44am

#3--you could use some anger management therapy IMO. It seems to me that you are in a permanent anger mode that is not healthy. Not trying to start a fight--I'm just saying. This grasping onto any straws is not good for peace of mind for anyone.....but mostly for yourself it's harmful. There's a point where you should be able to say fuck it to things and give yourself some space and breathe again.

5aspirit
des. 17, 2020, 12:36pm

US Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said of Kamala D. Harris in a floor speech on Tuesday, “Beyond our differences, all Americans can take pride that our nation has a female vice president-elect for the very first time.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/16/trump-mcconnell-election-biden-...

The GOP has to be careful what precedents are set. Refusing the decision of the Electoral College, which has won them controversial elections in the past, would not work out well for the party in four years.

6JGL53
Editat: des. 17, 2020, 3:11pm

I sort of expect the republirats in the House to challenge the results of the election, with subsequent debate, vote and defeat for all the challenging republirats. (I think Moscow Mitch will whip the republifatcats in the Senate into line - most probably.)

This will just be more coals heaped on the heads of republicraps by themselves, shooting themselves in the foot, slipping and falling back in their own feces, smashing their narrow foreheads into a brick wall, you know, sitting on a corn cob and expecting no negative results.

The more fools the republican'ts make of their own selves the more people who are in the ideological middle will be likely to vote Democrat in the future, helping the non-insane party to win as the republifucks are plainly now nothing but a god damn 'shallow state' conspiracy of disgusting treasonous evildoers, a virtual Confederacy of Dunces (emphasis on 'confederacy').

I have spoken.

7Limelite
Editat: des. 17, 2020, 8:18pm

Oh, Republican Congress Failures:

Please follow through with your plans to "question" the EC certification and the 50 states' election count ratifications! I can't think of a BETTER way to insure the election of two new Democratic US Senators from Georgia.

McConnell's $600 Covid-19 personal check BRIBE to elect the two Rethugs is only guaranteed to raise Georgians' ire for its conservative attitude confirming parsimony. Georgians hate Moscow Mitch already, despise Don the Con, and think the two Reprehensibles are a pair of self-serving crooks who still persist in denying Joe Biden beat the crap out of Trump and lost the election BIGLY. They would rather vote for a paper bag full of dog poop than Perdie and Laugher.
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Pence campaigned in Macon for those two Insider Traders saying vote for them so Republicans can "get in the way" of Pres. Biden's plans to get America back on track to return us to our former healthier and respected state, destroyed by Trump,

8lriley
des. 17, 2020, 5:01pm

#7---ultimately when it comes down to it candidates (should) have to make the case why the voters should vote for them. It's apparent to me that Perdue and Loeffler are both unusually predatorial in their capitalism. Both more than willing and capable of doing everything and anything underhanded to enhance their bank accounts and both more than willing to do at the expense of their own constituents. Their rapaciousness is so over the line in fact that it pretty much makes both Ossoff and Warnock electable by default no matter what their stances on anything. Loeffler's and Perdue's insider trading schemes to enrich themselves by playing with the health and economic well being of Georgians. Anyone who would vote for these two incumbents needs their heads examined.

9Limelite
des. 20, 2020, 1:23pm

Can I speak plainly here?

Trump is totally AWOL as the C-in-C, as the defender of the Constitution, of enemies both foreign and domestic, and for the securing of the commonweal. He's an enemy of all the promises made to his oath of office. And Pence has never been more than an echo chamber shot-in-the-arm window dressing for the warped minds of evangelicals.

Joe Biden is the actual ex officio functioning president and Kamala Harris has been busy in Congress cementing support for their legislative plans, which is exactly the most important function of a VP in the Executive.

So, we can conclude that legally elected presidents should be inaugurated long before mid-January. In fact, right after the EC certifies (until we no longer put up with that archaic democratic filter). We no longer need to allow time for officials to get to D.C. on horseback through 6' snow drifts and across ice-clogged rivers. Global warming has made those circumstances essentially obsolete.

10lriley
des. 20, 2020, 1:35pm

#9--Biden has the large and very unenviable task of navigating us not only through the pandemic but the Covid economy as well which isn't going to go away with people getting shots in the arm. In doing so he is going to be facing off with an obstructionist minded republican house and Senate and if McConnell is going to be leader again it's going to make a lot of things near impossible but even if it turns out 50/50 he still has to deal with the Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema types. It's possible I suppose that he might be able to pick off some republicans for covid economy relief--Romney?--one might think Hawley, Collins? Sasse? but let's keep in mind the Republicans aren't the only ones with austerity minded Senators. If we want to save small businesses and restaurants--if we want to have real $'s circulating in the economy we're going to need to stimulate, stimulate and stimulate some more. This is a major thing I'm looking for with Biden--if he puts real effort into that kind of a project he will win points with me--if he doesn't put effort in for that I'm going to be sharply critical. Just saying. That's a make or break for me.