What Happens To a Dead Elephant?

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What Happens To a Dead Elephant?

1Limelite
gen. 4, 4:36pm

This thread is to discuss the possible, credible, and reality based personal ideas of what the future of what we call the GOP might be now that we see its corpse lying in front of us.

Will the weak and minimal vestige of Republican Team Democracy legally dissolve Team Coup by expelling the Sedition Coalition?

Will there be an exodus of actual Conservatives from the Trump usurpation and remade Party of Nationalism? And will they establish the Conservative Party?

Will the country descend into armed civil war, fighting over a dead elephant, resulting in a universal realignment of America's political parties into Nationalists and Conservatives on the right and Moderates and Progressives on the left, ending the existence of the two major parties as constituted?

Will the moneyed class hold sufficient concentration of power derived from wealth to formally change our form of government from republican democracy to oligarchy, ending the Great Experiment?

Will the turmoil and chaos on the right lead to the rise of and conflict between two kinds of populism, that of the working class and that of the privileged class (can they even have a claim on 'populism')?

Those are some ideas of the American future, post-Trump that preclude the assumption of a continuation of who we are politically up to now. Perhaps there will be no real change, just a chronic festering discontent punctuated by occasional isolated violent outbreaks. An existence at a low level of a purported democracy constantly diverted by attempts to destroy it -- a persistence of crippled actual conservatism -- means the loss of America's past power, the tolerance for a climate of criminality and corruption from those who govern, essentially a failed state, and an ever angry, distrustful, ignorant segment of our population that will drag us down lower still into tyranny through sheer weight of fatigue among the "good men."

What fate awaits what was once the Republican Party, and American politics?

2proximity1
gen. 4, 4:58pm


No mystery here. Democrats shall repeat their stupendous feats of resuscitating the presumed "dead elephant," the many previous reports of its death having proven "greatly exaggerated."

3Earthling1
gen. 4, 11:30pm

Morons want America to collapse under the weight of oligarchs.

4Limelite
gen. 6, 7:38pm

The Elephant Corpse EXPLODES

Even Rand Paul says tonight that the coup attempt is dead. Insists there will be one vote in the Senate which reconvenes at 8 PM tonight.

5margd
gen. 7, 8:13am

The Trump Presidency’s Inevitable, Wretched End
Kevin D. Williamson | January 7, 2021

...The Trump presidency began in shame and dishonesty. It ends in shame, dishonesty, cowardice, and rebellion against the Constitution. For the past few weeks, the right-wing media, including the big talk-radio shows, has been coyly calling for a revolution. Of course they never thought they’d actually get one: That kind of talk is good for business — keep the rubes riled up and they won’t change the channel when the commercials come around on the half-hour. I never had much hope for the likes of Sean Hannity, tragically born too late to be a 1970s game-show host, but to watch Senator Ted Cruz descend into this kind of dangerous demagoguery as he jockeys to get out in front of the Trump parade as its new grand marshal has induced despair.

On May 4, 2016, I posted a little note to the Corner, headlined: “Pre-Planning My ‘I Told You So.’” It reads, in part: “Republicans, remember: You asked for this.” The path that the Republican Party and the conservative movement have taken in the past four years is not one that was forced on them — it is the product of choices that were made and of compromises that were entered into too willingly by self-interested men and women seeking money, celebrity, and power...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/01/the-trump-presidencys-inevitable-wretched...

6Molly3028
gen. 7, 10:01am

When Rush Limbaugh takes his final walk into the
sunset, this modern-day GOP and men like Ted
"seditionist" Cruz, who threw his wife and his father's
memory under the bus, will hopefully disappear into
the dustbin of history.

7Limelite
Editat: gen. 7, 10:17am

Amidst the dust and destruction of rampaging berserker MAGAnuts, real America and the worthy heirs to its True Vision were busy cleaning house and building better elsewhere.

Pro-Trump Mobs Riot In Washington As Black Voters In Georgia Take Power At The Ballot Box

8Limelite
gen. 7, 12:35pm

Read Local Papers Today

Select quote from editorial from Mobile Press Register site. Whitmire: Mo Brooks didn’t shout fire. He helped set it.
Like so many Republicans who followed Trump over this cliff, (Rep. Mo) Brooks(R-AL) tried to hide behind a law-and-order scrim.

“As strong supporter of Rule of Law, I hope EVERYONE who illegally breached Capitol is prosecuted to fullest extent of the law,” Brooks tweeted when that seemed like the right thing to say.

If he really believed that, he should turn himself in. He won’t.

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Video links from online, public access Arizona Republic, of Phoenix, AZ, showing Republicans "eating their own." Kelli Ward is AZ's GOP Chair, who plans to run again for that office at the urging of Donald Trump.

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/news/politics/elections/2021/01/06/protesters-c...

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/news/politics/elections/2021/01/06/arizona-repu...

https://www.azcentral.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/elections/2021/01/06/tru...
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Philadelphia Inquirer has several focused articles on the consequences of yesterday's insurrection,

Philly-area business leaders blame Trump for the Capitol attack,

N.J. to send in National Guard troops; Pa. Trump lawyer resigns, says president used his services ‘to perpetrate a crime’.
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Salt Lake Tribune while its headline is mild, the details of MAGAmob's threats and assaults that took place there yesterday are far more chilling, including an assault on a journalist.

Utah protest was mostly peaceful, although it was marred by several skirmishes or threatened confrontations. . .
Some of the Proud Boy and UCA members at the protest also menaced a man in a motorcycle helmet, escorted him off the Capitol grounds, carrying bats and guns. They shouted that he was a “f---ing commie,” and yelled at reporters and bystanders watching the scene to “stand back,” at one point even screaming at passing vehicles to “drive on!” And, “Go — in case this gets dirty.”

The protesters (militia gang) finally backed off when a Highway Patrol vehicle pulled up.


9Limelite
gen. 7, 12:46pm

10Limelite
gen. 7, 1:03pm

Republican Party Now Led by Outlaw and It Doesn't Care

Sen. Chuck Schumer, soon to be Majority Leader, called for Trump's immediate removal. From McConnell and Graham, after all their "brave" words last night, all that can be heard is crickets in response to the following events.

In the cold clear light of today, their party leader does this. . . Trump abruptly pulls DHS secretary's nomination after he criticizes 'violent opportunists' who invaded Capitol.

. . .in reaction to that. . .
Wolf issues statement. 10:28 am (January 7, 2021)-"We now see some supporters of the President using violence as a means to achieve political ends.

"This is unacceptable. These violent actions are unconscionable, and I implore the President and all elected officials to strongly condemn the violence that took place yesterday."

Wolf tweets this.
11:28 am (January 7, 2021)- I get White House statement withdrawing (my) nomination to be DHS secretary (not just “acting"). https://t.co/0sQKSJCDd9
The whole thing took exactly 1 hour.

11Limelite
gen. 7, 1:16pm

Moribund Republican Ex-Speaker Implores Collapsed Elephant to Resuscitate Itself

Ex-Speaker Boehner after Capitol violence: 'The GOP must awaken'.
I once said the party of Lincoln and Reagan is off taking a nap. The nap has become a nightmare for our nation. The GOP must awaken. The invasion of our Capitol by a mob, incited by lies from some entrusted with power, is a disgrace to all who sacrificed to build our Republic.

— John Boehner (@SpeakerBoehner) January 7, 2021
Sorry, Boehner, you're one of the Republicans who punched what tried to act like an honorable political party in the jaw. Does a consummate hypocrite never retire from being a consummate hypocrite?

12margd
Editat: gen. 8, 3:03pm

A mortally wounded elephant?

Kurt Bardella (Lincoln Project) @kurtbardella | 12:34 PM · Jan 8, 2021:
“Democrats, get ready, buckle your seatbelts. We’re coming."
As @LindseyGrahamSC disingenuously tweets about unity and moving forward, here we have @GOPChairwoman using rhetoric designed to incite for violence and more chaos.

RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel reelected to steer GOP for another 2 years
McDaniel vowed to help GOP win back the House and the Senate in 2022
Paul Steinhauser | Jan 8, 2021

...McDaniel, the former leader of the Michigan GOP, was picked by President Trump to lead the national party soon after he was elected in 2016. She was reelected to a second two-year term in 2018.

Her reelection -- which came at the RNC’s Winter Meeting that is being held this year in Amelia Island, Fla. (Jan 5-8, 2021) -- was expected. McDaniel was backed by President Trump, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, as well as the vast majority of the roughly 168 RNC members.

...Pointing to the 2022 midterms, McDaniel said, to big applause, "We have a lot of hard work to do to take back the Senate and the House in 2022, but I am mad and I’m not going to let socialism rule this country and I’m going to work with every single one of you to make sure we squash it and we take back the House and take back the Senate...So Democrats, get ready, buckle your seatbelts. We’re coming"...

13prosfilaes
gen. 8, 3:09pm

Classic news broadcast of when Oregon decided the solution to a dead whale was to use explosives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6CLumsir34

I can apply that to this situation in many ways, but the title just kept bringing me back.

14Limelite
Editat: gen. 8, 5:40pm

AK Sen. Murkowski Wants Trump's Resignation, Ready To Leave Party If No

Alaska (Republican) Senator Lisa Murkowski said Trump should resign after his supporters invaded the U.S. Capitol, and she doesn’t know if she can remain a Republican if the party doesn’t split with Trump.

America is not pleased with the appeasers and lickspittles. Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham were attacked by mocking crowds at airports as they made their way out of D.C.

Lisa Murkowski had plenty to say when safely back in AK, in an interview published in the Anchorage Daily News. She has verbally joined forces with Nebraska (Republican) Sen. Ben Sasse, both of whom now insist that Trump is unfit to serve after organizing and fomenting a coup d'état. They have separated themselves from the appeasers, facilitators, co-conspiractists, and crackpots who populate the once GOP and now Cult of Trump. But, we must question -- how laudatory is it in them to only come to Jesus at this stage?

Here's Murkowski in her own words. . .
I want him to resign. I want him out. He has caused enough damage.

"I think he should leave. He said he’s not going to show up. He’s not going to appear at the at the inauguration. He hasn’t been focused on what is going on with COVID. He’s either been golfing or he’s been inside the Oval Office fuming and throwing every single person who has been loyal and faithful to him under the bus, starting with the vice president. He doesn’t want to stay there. He only wants to stay there for the title. He only wants to stay there for his ego. He needs to get out. He needs to do the good thing, but I don’t think he’s capable of doing a good thing."

Murkowski said that while if the Republican Party has become nothing more than the party of Trump, I sincerely question whether this is the party for me."
Senator, there's no "if" about it. And there hasn't been for four years. Where has your conscience and self-examination been for 1,440 days? Why did you wait so long to come to Jesus?
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If you want to read the interview of Alaska Senator (Republican) Dan Sullivan, here's his corresponding debriefing to the same paper.

15DugsBooks
gen. 8, 7:20pm

>14 Limelite:
“Senator, there's no "if" about it. And there hasn't been for four years. Where has your conscience and self-examination been for 1,440 days? Why did you wait so long to come to Jesus?”

I live in North Carolina , just north of South Carolina & within yelling distance of LindseyGrahamSC . When I saw his eleventh hour denunciation of Trump’s faux pax presidency the other day I nearly hallucinated a political cartoon of a rat nimbly leaping from the bow of a ship labeled “Trump” just before it slid underwater. Lindsey started out with an independent opinion then totally became a Trump lap dog to appease the majority of his constituency.

Those folks will say absolutely anything for power and money.

16kiparsky
gen. 8, 7:47pm

>15 DugsBooks: He was just as nimble jumping onto that ship in the first place...

17Limelite
gen. 8, 8:52pm

Michael Cohen, Ex-Fixer, Says Trump Psychotic Now

And in that state might burn down the White House. "Donald Trump would rather burn down the White House, than turn over the keys," he said.

Maybe that's why he's vacationing at Camp David. He can burn down the cabins there. Nobody cares.

18Limelite
gen. 10, 6:05pm

Colin Powell Leaves the Stinking Corpse Behind

Former Republican Secretary of State, says he no longer considers himself a member of the party in CNN interview today. When asked if he thinks Republicans who refused to condemn President Donald Trump realize they “encouraged, at least, this wildness to grow and grow,” Powell makes no excuse that that is the case.

“They did,” Powell said. “And that’s why I can no longer call myself a fellow Republican.”

The stench from the rotten GOP offends the moral and criminal sensibilities of real American patriots, forcing them to leave a totally corrupt cult.

19Molly3028
Editat: gen. 11, 7:27am

The GOP cult has three major things working against it
in this sedition-era. People are starting to contemplate
leaving the party. The stream of big bucks flowing to
reps from large donors is most likely going to be
slowing down. The brown demographic wave is
climbing the voting-age brackets.

20Limelite
Editat: gen. 12, 4:50pm

BREAKING: McConnell Announces He Favors Impeachment

I was against it before it took war, murder, and destruction to make me for it. Sen. Maj. Leader now says, he's for impeaching Trump immediately, "Purging president from the party by impeachment will be made easier."

And what have YOU done for the past four years but GIVE the GOP to Donald Trump to own and brand with his TRUMP logo? NOTHING!

And since you want him gone, get your ass back to D.C., reconvene the Senate and begin the trial TODAY. Vote GUILTY yourself! Purge him tomorrow. Instead, we get tragedy today and comedy tomorrow.

What an empty suit and what a proven enabler of a traitor you are. If there any vestiges of a Repub Party left, it will purge you from its ranks as well for your eager willingness to destroy it.

21Limelite
gen. 12, 5:45pm

GOP Aide Resigns While Lashing ‘Congressional Enablers of This Mob’

A top staffer at the House Armed Services Committee ripped lawmakers who backed Donald Trump’s challenge to Joe Biden's win.
Ranking Member Rogers and Members of the House Armed Services Committee,

All who serve this nation swear an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same. Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee have led Congressional efforts to defend the nation and its Constitutional principles from foreign enemies since the establishment of the committee. Year after year, under Republican and Democratic Chairs, the committee has set aside factious contemporary events in the name of national defense. This is a legacy that I am extremely proud to have supported.

The sad, incontrovertible truth is that the people who laid siege to the Capitol were and continue to be domestic enemies of the Constitution of the United States. A poisonous lie that the election was illegitimate and should be overturned inspired so called “patriots” to share common cause with white supremacists, neo-Nazis and conspiracy theorists to attack the seat of American government. Anyone who watched those horrible hours unfold should have been galvanized to rebuke these insurrectionists in the strongest terms. Instead, some members whom I believed to be leaders in the defense of the nation chose to put political theater ahead of the defense of the Constitution and the Republic.

The decision to vote to set aside legitimate electors harmed the ability of every service member, intelligence officer, and diplomat to defend the nation and advance American interests. How are they to effectively defend American democratic ideals when the entire world saw so many members disregard those same ideals for cynical political purposes? Regardless of the motivations behind the vote, these members bear the consequences that the men and women in harm’s way will face for many years to come. I cannot imagine any series of events more damaging to the already fragile US led post-World War II order that has brought more peace and prosperity to the world than at any other time in history. These self-inflicted wounds are a gift to autocrats who seek a diminished America and are fundamentally inconsistent with the responsibility to provide for the common defense. Foreign intelligence services were likely on the scene and will certainly capitalize on the crisis it has caused – our people will pay a steep price. Congressional enablers of this mob have made future foreign conflict more likely, not less.

Going forward, the Committee must play a role in the accounting of this horrible chapter in our history. It is very disturbing that currently serving members of the armed forces participated in this. It is vitally important that the Committee hold the Department of Defense accountable for bringing any participants to justice. These extremist influences are a grave threat to our ability to defend the nation, and they must be expelled from the force immediately. I deeply regret some members may no longer have the credibility needed to accomplish this work.

All of our words and actions in the coming weeks and days will reveal those who believe in defending the Constitution, and those who stand only for self-interest and sectarianism. There can be no reconciliation and healing without accountability. While it is my hope the Committee finds a way yet again to legislate in a bipartisan way for the men and women in uniform in the 117th Congress and beyond, the failure of so many Republican members of the Committee to put the nation ahead of electoral politics compels my resignation from the staff. It has been the honor of a lifetime to serve the men and women in uniform, their families, and the civilians who also serve the Nation. I am proud of the things we have accomplished on their behalf, and the work we have done to strengthen national defense.

In Service,
Jason Schmid

22Limelite
gen. 12, 5:48pm

MSNBC: 3rd Most Powerful House Republican Will Vote for Impeachment

Liz Cheney said she will join Democrats and vote yes on their Articles of Impeachment.

23mamzel
gen. 13, 2:21pm

What confuses me is that all of the votes about the rules and stuff are still strictly following party lines. Do as I say not what I do?

24Limelite
gen. 13, 9:22pm

Longtime Republican Member of Congress Bids Rotten Party of Trump Goodbye

Mickey Edwards gave up his job as a reporter and editor on the Oklahoma City Times when a young man because he believed fervently in the Republican Party and devoted himself full time to growing its membership in a town and state that had "always" been firmly Democratic.
. . .I couldn’t be both a newspaperman and a partisan activist quoted on the front page. I was offered a promotion to editorial writer, but I would have to choose: the GOP or my job. I gave up a job I loved. I became national chairman of the American Conservative Union and one of three founding trustees of the Heritage Foundation.

He went on to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1977-1993 and was a Republican for more than 60 years. But following the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol Building, Edwards has decided to leave the GOP.
In his own words, you can hear how deeply affected he is by his decision, how his identity is wrapped up in the old Republican Party.
"I have been a Republican for 62 years," Edwards explains. "I have been a Goldwater conservative, a Reagan conservative, and a W conservative. And I have now left the Republican Party — a party that has been at the center of my entire adult life, a party that defined me to others and to myself."

But things have changed.
. . .the GOP, in the Trump era, has become "the opposite of what it was" and "has become a cult idolizing a ruler, a trasher of institutions of democracy driven by falsehoods and hatreds." And his decision to leave the GOP after 62 years was inspired by the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol Building and Trump's refusal to accept the results of the 2020 presidential election.
(SNIP)
"For the most part," Edwards laments, "even those Republican members of Congress who didn't join the attempt to overthrow the election remained unforgivably silent out of party loyalty and fear, making them complicit nonetheless in this bloody attack on their own country. I've left the Republican Party. I will not be going back."

25Molly3028
Editat: gen. 17, 5:11pm

Our nation will not thrive if clueless, gullible voters keep re-electing hate-filled
lunatics like Jim Jordan. He is upset because a ranking GOP member, who
admires and respects the party's founder and all he stood for, turned against a
seditionist cult leader. The party has had a major wake-up-call over the last
week. Perps like JJ are the reason the GOP has to reconstitute itself or
disappear into the dustbin of history.

26margd
gen. 17, 5:00pm

Reading about new R reps Lauren Boebert and the QAnon nut Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I was heartened this morning to listen to new rep from Michigan, Peter Meijer, and Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.),
but like an amoeba, I can't but believe the Republican party is headed to a meiotic event!

RaRa Avis Press Total Memescaping RaRaAvisPress | 6:55 AM · Jan 17, 2021:
Just batting ideas around here, America, but maybe someone with a rapsheet as long as that of @laurenboebert
should never be able to run for office or own guns? Crazy idea, I know, but humour me.
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27Molly3028
Editat: gen. 17, 5:38pm

GOP Senate reps appear to be in career-saving modes ~ they want Biden and
the Dems to forfeit the Senate part of the impeachment process so that they do
not have to go on record convicting the con man/cult personality the GOP voters
so adore ~ few profiles in courage or patriotism can be found on the GOP side of
that Capitol chamber. Lincoln must be shedding a waterfall of tears for the
dying party he founded.

28Limelite
Editat: gen. 17, 9:53pm

>26 margd:

Sarah Palin clone. Well, with Republican elected officials, we all know how much character matters. Not at all. Roy Moore of AL being the poster child equivalent of the conservative Golden Boy.

29MsMixte
gen. 17, 6:08pm

>27 Molly3028: Lindsey wants healing! Dismiss the impeachment charge!

Narrator: Sorry Lindsey, it doesn't work that way. The Senate must conduct a trial and vote, putting you and the rest of you cowards on record as supporting someone who would undermine democracy in the United States.

30Limelite
gen. 17, 11:47pm

I'll stay with the South African post-apartheid model of getting along by trying to unite a divided population.

Truth and Reconciliation Panels. Republicans have to stand before the panel and tell the truth about their perfidy, make a full confession, and await judgment -- prison or recompense?

Then talk to me about reconciliation.

31John5918
Editat: gen. 18, 4:14am

>30 Limelite:

You're correct that reconciliation and healing don't come about just because politicians call for it. It has to be an intentional and organised process. It must be open, transparent, visibly impartial, and inclusive. There has to be buy-in from a significant portion of the population. Ideally it is led by individuals or institutions who can command respect and trust from at least many (albeit not all) people on all sides. In some countries a religious institution can play that role, but probably not in the USA where the churches are so polarised and complicit in the "culture wars". South Africa was fortunate to have Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu; if Martin Luther King had not been assassinated he might have played that role after the civil rights struggle, based on his thoughts set out in his letter from Birmingham Jail, but who knows, and "what ifs" are fairly pointless. A reconciliation process has several elements, including truth, justice and reparations. Justice does not have to mean retributive and punitive justice, which is the dominant model in the Global North; restorative justice can also be explored. There is also a lot of focus these days on "transitional justice" and "hybrid justice", recognising that the normal routine peace-time justice systems may not be adequate for this type of situation. While there needs to be truth and accountability, nevertheless as they discovered in Rwanda and elsewhere you can't imprison half the population; you have to find ways of living together. Reconciliation has differing levels and definitions, and that also needs to be explored. Reconciliation can mean a very deep level of coming together and healing relationships, but that might be more than what is needed. As one South African activist said to me of the situation in Burundi a few years ago, practically speaking reconciliation is the minimum relationship necessary for people to live side by side without killing each other.

It has often been noted that the USA had no reconciliation and healing process after the Civil War. There was a victory by one side, but that was it. Likewise the civil rights movement. It succeeded in changing legislative practice, but there was no healing process after that. And the same might become true of the current polarised situation in the USA. For the moment at least reason and constitutionality seems to have prevailed, at least on the surface, but there is a need to heal the simmering tensions just below the surface. It's worth noting that current conflicts are often rooted in unhealed former conflicts, so a truth and reconciliation process needs to look back a long way. It also needs to be a long-term process into the future. It can't just be done and dusted and let's move on in the space of a couple of years (or a four year presidential term). It needs continued long term work and commitment, which might also mean a lot of psychosocial support, as the process itself can be traumatising on top of the original trauma already caused by the conflict.

There are many models of truth and reconciliation across the world, so the USA should not be starting from scratch. It needs to have the humility to move beyond "American exceptionalism" and to recognise that it can benefit from the experience of others. On the other hand, any truth and reconciliation process has to be home grown. One of the things I have always appreciated about South African activists is that they are very willing to share their experience of truth and reconciliation, but always insist that nobody should try to copy them. Lessons can be learned, ideas can be gleaned, dynamics can be analysed, some mistakes can be avoided, but each situation is unique and needs its own solution. The Rwandan model was very different from the South African one.

Sorry for the mini-lecture, but this is one of the things I do for a living.

32Molly3028
gen. 18, 12:44pm

Trump, his cult following voters and his enablers have one all-encompassing
attribute in common ~ they find living in the 21st Century distasteful because
they continue to harbor their 20th Century biases. Sadly, that is going to be
hard, maybe impossible, to change.

33Limelite
gen. 18, 1:33pm

>31 John5918:

Expertise need never apologize. I'm grateful for having your remarks to read because they epitomize informed opinion. Thanks!

34Limelite
gen. 18, 3:25pm

Insurrection Proved 'Trumpism' Is a Cult of Personality

After the attempted coup by so-called Trump supporters, only one conclusion is inescapable the violent and non-violent who took part in the march on the Capitol are not patriots. Don't believe me? Just count the flags by type and note the ratio of various Trump banners to the stars and stripes. Twenty to one? At least.

Whither the allegiance of the insurrectionists? Easy. To their cult leader, not their country. One can imagine their Pledge of Allegiance. . .
I pledge allegiance to the flags of Donald Trump, non-American. And to the cult for which they stand -- one hate group, under him, with liberty and justice for whites.
What unifies their various hatreds under the Trump banner is a common orientation to conspiracy theories and an affiliation for any lie that makes them the righteous victim of liberal persecution, for any "sin" from believing they're Christian, or gunophilic, or privileged by Caucasian birth.

In four years, Trump cultivated his base, a gullible donor base who pay membership fees to their Cult Leader not to enjoy the privileges of his various private golf clubs but to enjoy the privilege of giving their money to non-existent causes -- like the "Stop the Steal" legal fight staged by Trump to bilk believers of donations to prove the unproveable and nullify the certified. They were not told that all donations under a certain amount were going straight into Trump's personal purse, not to the Glorious Cause.

They have been siphoned away from reality symbolized by the Republican Party; they have become the baitfish being gobbled up by Republican political sharks, who have neither loyalty to their country, nor the Republican Party. Trump has demonstrated how easy it is to keep the baitfish schooling around you simply by throwing them crumbs of lies and treats of deception. Never pursuers of the high road, the Hawleys, Cruzs, Lindseys, and innumerable other opportunistic deluded conspiracy nuts, can not stoop too low to attract the white cultists to their specious "stands."

The Republican Party will be starved of money by the exodus from its ranks of the rank and file; by the suddenly parsimonious mega-donors who can't face down the social stigma of giving cash to political pariahs; by the rote donations from corporate givers who will understand the realities of the market place are far more worthy of their monetary devotion than the bankrupt promises of corrupt politicians.

Without the millions in-flowing from the NRA, from the unfunded PACS once supported by the "little" people, from hedge fund managers, bankers, soda-pop makers, athletic shoe manufacturers, and pillow pushers, the Republican Party that once was will wither and turn to dust. Especially, since the populist hustlers in having aligned themselves with the baitfish, have left a leadership vacuum. That's why Ronna Romney McDaniel was reelected Chair of the Repub. National Comm. (RNC).

Her leadership chops are seriously in question, considering the RNC lost two senate seats in GA after the RNC poured in $15 million dollars to preserve them. Likewise, the gains in the House were largely made by Trumpist candidates who defeated the RNC endorsed people in the primaries. There is little prospect that McDaniel will enjoy greater success in the face of greater power within the Party belonging to the Cult.

A combination of financial starvation and rudderless leadership is not symptomatic of revitalization of the historical GOP. But it is a recipe for the continued domination of a two-party system: the Democratic Party and the Anti-Democratic Party, which truly reflects our polarized citizenry. That means a continuing civil "war" between two factions that cannot even agree on the truth. Under our present circumstances, it's hard for a realistic person to be optimistic about America's future. The question that will be decided in the near future is will America be a representative democracy under majority rule, or will it be a dysfunctional territory of cultist conspiracy theorists who only believe in their Leader.

35lriley
gen. 18, 6:13pm

If anything it shows how susceptible people can be to propaganda and that a significant % of Americans have fallen under a spell of one sort or another. The inability of the Trumpista's to critique Trump is dangerous---they would rather hang Mike Pence first and somehow or other they found themselves running up and down the halls of Congress after having fought with Capitol police for hours looking for congresspeople to beat up or kill and so another narrative is created--that they'd somehow been led astray by BLM and Antifa provocateurs--because really they think of themselves as the 'good guys' who do 'good things' and how do you explain yourself coherently after a day spent looting and destroying?---a little self examination might go a long way--not seeing any of that though.

36John5918
gen. 18, 10:30pm

>31 John5918:

Since I mentioned Martin Luther King and nonviolence, this article referring to his daughter Bernice might be relevant:

'We still have a choice': Bernice King calls for nonviolent activism in dangerous time (Guardan)

Minister and daughter of Martin Luther King Jr warns against violence both physical and spoken amid pandemic, racism and insurrection...


This perhaps also demonstrates a difference between those calling for the overthrow of the election, white supremacy and other extreme right wing causes on the one hand, and those protesting for democracy, Black Lives Matter and other progressive causes on the other. The leaders of the former movement incite and stoke violence and then reluctantly try to distance themselves from it when it happens; the leaders of the latter do everything they can to avoid violence, even though they cannot prevent a few of their supporters succumbing to the temptation in isolated instances.

37Molly3028
Editat: gen. 19, 12:55pm

Timing in life is everything

It appears that the GOP is about to experience a lengthy civil war just as the
brown demographic wave is moving up the voting-age brackets. GOPers spent
four long years enabling a life-long con man/cult personality and shrinking the
party. GOPers make up 25% of the registered voters in the country at this
time. Fate is laughing, and the guys in charge of history's dustbin are ready to
collect the GOP's remains.

38Molly3028
gen. 19, 12:50pm

>35 lriley:

If propaganda didn't work, the ad agencies on Madison Avenue in NYC and
around the country would have gone out of business decades ago.

39Limelite
Editat: gen. 25, 8:21pm

From the Pickled End of the Republican Party Gene Pool

Comes Lindsey Graham's advice on how to kick a dead elephant. Graham Hopes Trump Stays ‘Leader’ of GOP, Says Enemies Will ‘Get Erased’ If They Try to Oust Him.
Senator Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) on Wednesday warned fellow Republicans that if they try to “erase Donald Trump from the party, you’re going to get erased.”

“I hope people in our party understand the party itself,” he told Fox News hours after President Joe Biden was sworn-in.

“Most Republicans like his policies. A lot of Republicans like his style,” Graham said. “A lot of people are disappointed with him personally at times but appreciate the outcomes he’s achieved for our country.”
You bet, Lindsey! We understand exactly what the Republican Party is now. It's the political home of white racist liars.

As for Trump's policies, we also know Republicans like demonizing people of color and punishing them for being brown. One would have to be a pithed frog not to clearly see that Republicans are oriented to what's good for the country only in terms of what's good for white patriarchy. Only a sensory deprived idiot wouldn't be able to understand that Republicans are power hungry wealth grabbers who believe that keeping America's working force on the edge of poverty is what will keep them in power. Especially, policies to keep non-whites away from economic power which they will gain through the ballot box.

Hence the driving force behind Republican policies promoted the hardest by Trump is the disenfranchisement and suppression of voters of color because they mostly affiliate with Democrats. Besides, the minorities will soon be the majority, which because of prosecution by Trump and racist Republicans like you, Lindsey, will guarantee that they will work to see to it that no Republicans are elected to any public office ever. Not as long as they espouse and have a record of aligning with Trump and white supremacist attitudes that boil down to disregard for the rule of law if it stands in the way of me getting what I want.

Disdain for non-whites and the law is the pustulance within the Trumpian boil that infects the Republican Party. I suspect the poison will spread and the infection will become worse until it overwhelms the Republican/conservative body politic because the "patient" is too afraid of the pain to excise it and can't handle the truth.

40Limelite
gen. 27, 10:46pm

Murderous Death Cult Infuses Republican Party and Controls It

Thank you Donald Trump.

Extremism and Seditition aren't just tolerated by the Republicans -- it's welcomed. Trying to administer justice and consequences to rioters and murderers, conspirators, and inciters to violence, Republicans react with, "move on," "waste of time," "never mind," "overreacting Democrats," "partisan divisiveness." They are so afraid of their base and constituents threats of violence to themselves and their families, and are so spineless in the face of those threats, that all they want to do is appease the mob.

Funny, Democratic Rep., Hakeem Jeffries'family received death threats on his home phone and learned that the man even had his address. Trump's false narrative that he won the election is what motivated his threats.

Funny, Rep. Tom Malinowski of NJ received death threats from Q-Anon fed lies about sex trafficking that the Republican Party specifically quoted and put out. A Republican Party official, when confronted, said, "Oh it's not my job to police what they do with those ads."

Both Jeffries and Malinowski found themselves able to stand up against those death threats and voted for impeachment. A pair of Profiles in Courage.

Republicans would rather placate the marauding horde than stand up to them so they don't lose their seats. They falsely justify their cowardice by insisting that if they resist being run over by the violent rabble, then all their seats will be held by the violent rabble. Talk about Surrender Monkeys!

Having created this monster by the placation of DJT, they now insist that the same placating behavior will tame it. Yeah, that worked. Do it again.

Today, the weekly report from states that report voter registration changes and trends indicates tens of thousands of Republican voters have left the party since the date of the insurrection and killings at the Capitol. Apparently, they are the honorable Republicans still capable of feeling shame in being associated with murderous thugs and usurpers of the Constitution who are the proud boys of anti-democracy movements and racist fascism armed gangs.

The Republican Party is officially dead. It died of cowardice.

41Molly3028
Editat: gen. 28, 2:56pm

Ms. Greene the QAnon GOP House rep from Georgia apparently got a plum committee assignment. It appears the the GOP leaders are shooting arrows into the hot-air balloon that is barely keeping the party aloft. And they wonder why members are planning to leave the Congress and why individuals are leaving the party.

42Limelite
feb. 10, 5:56pm

The Genocidal Senate Leader of Trumpism: Josh Hawley

If the mustache fits. . .

43Molly3028
Editat: feb. 11, 10:50am

https://news.trust.org/item/20210211013256-gp1g4
EXCLUSIVE-Dozens of former Republican officials in talks to form anti-Trump third party

"More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of "principled conservatism," including adherence to the Constitution and the rule of law - ideas those involved say have been trashed by Trump."

This group has no time to waste. The next election period is just around the corner. The carcass of Lincoln's party is rotting at warp speed thanks to Trump and his cult followers.

44mamzel
feb. 11, 3:03pm

>43 Molly3028: Good for them! I think a good name for it would be the Constitution Party so that they would be less likely to forget why it was created in the first place.

45Limelite
feb. 11, 5:12pm

Wouldn't it be better to appropriate "Patriot Party" from the Trump Cadre? For sure, his supporters would be confused, and Trump would have to fish around for another name, like "Insurrectionist Party."

More seriously, I think the "Conservative Party" is accurate and creates a broader umbrella of implied ideology for them to found a platform on.

46Limelite
feb. 12, 7:52pm

Answering the Topic Title Question

What happens to a dead elephant? We learned today on the last day of presentations of the respective cases for and against conviction of the Republican Party leader for inciting the Jan. 6th insurrection.

The Republican senators perform a necropsy. Tomorrow they will announce the summary of findings and stipulate the cause of death. Well, the Democrats will. The Republicans will argue that there were no organs in the dead animal because the Democrats removed and hid them before the procedure. That, in spite of the fact that everyone watched the procedure on TV and saw the evidence for themselves and all of the organs were there.

What is left of the now rotting carcass? Not much beyond the persistent stink. Decomposition is advanced after four days under the bright lights of scrutiny. Decomposition was accelerated by a breaking story from CNN on the knife fight between Donald Trump and Kevin McCarthy.

By 6:30 tonight, the entire watching world realized that the Republicans had hung themselves out to dry. The Democrats had won the case. Even if the Republicans win the vote, the world knows the truth of Trump's perfidy and conspiracy to overthrow the legitimate government of the country he had been president of for four years.

If the Republicans vote to convict Trump, the cute little manageable crocodile that they've been raising in the bathtub will claw its way out, fully grown, and eat them alive. If they vote to convict, they are also voting to convict themselves since most of them were culpable of the same high crimes and misdemeanors as Trump -- those who voted to subvert the ECVs even after the marauders were cleared out; and those who spread and promoted the Big Lie -- any of them who have not uttered the words that Joe Biden won the election and Donald Trump lost it, fair & square; and those who did not condemn the violence of armed Trump fanatics, especially the racist and cop-killer advocates that has transformed itself into the paramilitary arm of the Trump faction that controls their party -- tribus una omnium dominatur instead of e pluribus unum.

If they vote to acquit, every witness to this week's Senate trial will know that they are in thrall to DJT, afraid of his Red Shirts and cravenly willing to sacrifice democracy out of fear and personal ambition to become the next Donald Trump. In short, the GOP will become a walking dead elephant.

What a contrast to the Greatest Generation, no?

47Molly3028
Editat: feb. 15, 2:42pm

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/poll-record-high-63-of-republicans-think-a-thi...
POLL: Record High 63% of Republicans Think a Third Party is Needed

My take ~ about 80k voters flipped the Electoral College to Trump in 2016. They also sowed the seeds of the destruction of the GOP at the very same time! It is time for GOP reps to be very wary of the gift fate handed to them back in 2016.

48proximity1
feb. 15, 3:11pm



LMFAO!!!

Trump: ............2

Witch-hunters: 0

Bye, suckers!!!!!!!!! ;^)

49Molly3028
Editat: feb. 15, 3:35pm

Prox and Tucker Carlson are sounding more and more like twins who were separated at birth! Trump never won the popular vote in any election. A majority of Americans' minds were never captured by the "show" of the life-long con man and cult personality.

50Limelite
feb. 15, 7:31pm

Stupid Is As Stupid Does

Donald Trump killed an old saw while killing the GOP. Once and for all he put paid to the lie that any American can be president. Beyond that he proved that a con man who says he's a businessman can become a billionaire -- as long as enough stupid b/millionaires can be conned into supporting him. Here's the story of one such stupid millionaire.

Fred Eshelman, a NC millionaire financier, is out $2.5 million of his personal bank account. He literally bought the voter fraud Big Lie Big Time. And now he's woke to the fact that he's been pwnd. Wednesday morning after election day he got out of bed to find that Trump was on a resolute path to defeat. The battleground states -- in close votes -- broke for Biden and Trump was cooked goose.
(He) and his advisers reached out to a small conservative nonprofit group in Texas that was seeking to expose voter fraud. After a 20-minute talk with the group's president, their first-ever conversation, Eshelman was sold."
Obviously, Mr. E. is a Trump Mini-Me, all gut reaction and little fact based decision making. There's no evidence that the guy even spent 20 minutes investigating facts and comparing them to his bedtime belief of the night before. In two words, he failed to perform a reality check before writing a personal check.

Now, he wants his money back. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

So, what do rich dupes do that's unlike what rube dupes do when they realize they're suckers who fell for a scam? They sue, of course.
"Documents that have surfaced in Eshelman's litigation, along with interviews, show how True the Vote's private assurances that it was on the cusp of revealing illegal election schemes repeatedly fizzled as the group's focus shifted from one allegation to the next. The nonprofit sought to coordinate its efforts with a coalition of Trump's allies, including Trump attorney Jay Sekulow and Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), the documents show," the newspaper reported. "Eshelman has alleged in two lawsuits — one in federal court has been withdrawn and the other is ongoing in a Texas state court — that True the Vote did not spend his $2 million gift and a subsequent $500,000 donation as it said it would. Eshelman also alleges that True the Vote directed much of his money to people or businesses connected to the group's president, Catherine Engelbrecht."
That's partly true, Cath. What she didn't tell is where much of the money also was laundered and then siphoned into the Trump campaign coffers and that was further laundered into Trump's personal accounts for which he is stockpiling millions to defray past, present, and future legal costs and mortgage loan debt that amounts to a figure around $3 billion dollars combined.

While Eshelman has put himself into the class of minnows destined to be eaten by smarter sharks, those smarter Republican big dog financial donors have announced that they will no longer contribute to the Party, nor to the Party's candidates in any election ever again. Even the surviving Koch brother has snapped his purse shut to Republican access and expressed regret for his history of backing the neo-Nazi white supremacist agenda over years.

It doesn't take an accountant to conclude that the Republican Party won't be able to fund all the candidates it hopes to run in '22, much less '24 from Trump supporters who are the biggest voting demographic unemployed, retired, aging, and disappearing faster than young, working voters can (or want) to replace them. Besides, you can count on the moneyed Republicans opposing Trump and his endorsed surrogates in government because the stability necessary for money to make more money won't come from politicians lurching from one QAnonsense conspiracy to another.

At the rate big time donors are turning their backs on the Worst President Ever, there won't be enough moola to bury the dead elephant, and there won't be enough embarrassed bilked billionaires to even come to its funeral.

51Limelite
feb. 15, 8:07pm

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) Releases Reality Check Video

Titled, Republicans Leaving Party In Droves

52MsMixte
feb. 15, 8:24pm

>50 Limelite: You are right on the money in more ways than one. All those millions of dollars which poured in from donors who barely have two dimes to rub together, and although some of them will continue to donate, most will be forced to cut their spending on grifting politicians because their churches need those dollars as well.

Eshelman was a sucker, and he can afford to sue, but he's not going to get that money back.

53kiparsky
Editat: feb. 15, 10:57pm

>48 proximity1: Did you really think that the outcome was ever in doubt? Do you think that anyone ever believed that there was enough backbone in the Republican party to vote for the truth? It's not like anyone doubted for a minute that Trump was guilty - even McConnell copped to it, just after he denied it with his vote.

What's happened here is the Republican party got played. It was given not one but two opportunities to show that it is a party which can, in time of need, find a principle and base its decisions on that. And in both cases, it has failed completely and demonstrated just how craven and pathetic it is - Trump is clinging on to their sinking ship and dragging them to the bottom, and the Republicans don't have the balls to shoot him in the head and let him sink on his own.

Don't think the voters have not noticed.

54margd
feb. 16, 7:04am

Ex–Ohio State Wrestler Says Rep. Jim Jordan Asked Him to Deny Abuse Allegations
Avery Yang | Feb 12, 2020

Ohio representative and former Ohio State University wrestling coach Jim Jordan aided and abetted in the university's cover-up of sexual abuse within the program, a former team captain said in front of Ohio state legislators on Wednesday.

"Jim Jordan called me crying, groveling, begging me to go against my brother, begging me, crying for a half-hour," DiSabato said Wednesday. "That’s the kind of cover-up that’s going on there."

Adam DiSabato, captain of the team during the early 1990s, told members of the Ohio House Civil Justice Committee that Jordan and other officials ignored former Ohio State doctor Richard Strauss's sexual abuse of wrestlers from 1979 to 1997. DiSabato said that Jordan and other team officials knew about open-shower facilities that facilitated sexual harassment and abuse of team wrestlers. Jordan has previously denied the allegation...

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2020/02/12/jim-jordan-accused-cover-up-sexual-abu...

55ZacharyMay
feb. 16, 7:33am

S'ha suprimit aquest usuari en ser considerat brossa.

56Molly3028
Editat: feb. 16, 8:38am

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/hannity-blasts-sanctimonious-mcconnell-for-slamming-...
Hannity Blasts ‘Sanctimonious’ McConnell for Slamming Trump: ‘The Time Is Now Coming for New Leadership’ in the Senate

My take ~ When a person is a member of a cult, he must see what the cult leader says he sees and hear what the leader says he hears. Truth doesn't exist in a cult follower's world. The landscape of their brains will never allow them to turn away from the lies of their cult leader. Trump and SH are 21st Century Peter Pans ~ they never grew up. Mitch is an adult on the right side of history. The truth about 1/6 will live on in videos and audios for generations.

A cult leader and his loons control the GOP these days ~ it must be nuked.

57Molly3028
Editat: feb. 16, 8:34am

https://www.mediaite.com/news/pa-county-gop-official-lashes-out-at-pat-toomey-fo...
PA County GOP Official Lashes Out at Pat Toomey for Voting to Convict Trump: We Did Not Send Him to DC to ‘Do the Right Thing or Whatever’

“We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do the right thing or whatever he said he was doing,” Ball said, offering a stridently partisan view of democratic representation. “We sent him there to represent us.”

The GOP this loon represents must be nuked during the next two election cycles.

58lriley
Editat: feb. 16, 11:21am

In part what's going on with McConnell is his desire to take back the Senate majority in 2022. But another part is almost certainly maintaining his role as head of the Senate Republicans and Trump and friends are a threat to that. I really question whether someone like a Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz might try to replace him as Senate leader and think it's very possible. What that might mean for a Romney, Sasse or a Murkowski who have set themselves in opposition to the Trumpian's is anyone's guess but I'm kind of thinking they'll be persona non grata and that the Trumpian republican party will move to replace all of them at the earliest possible moment. Romney would probably be the most difficult and his term doesn't end until 2024. Cassidy in Louisiana is in place until 2026.

From the democratic side it's time for DC and Puerto Rico statehood. Doing that is not only the right thing but should give them more breathing room by adding Senators and voting congresspeople. The republican party right now is a mess and there is an internecine war going on between the real RINO's who are the Trumpian's and the old Bushite/Cheney wing. I expect the Trumpian's to win but overall they will lose people doing it. As much as McConnell hopes to win back the Senate in 2022 I don't think it's happening and again there will be a lot more Republican open seats on the ballot and several of their current Senators are not running again like Portman, Toomey, Shelby and Tillis. 2022 actually should be an opportunity for the Democrats to increase their margin rather than lose it.

59Limelite
feb. 16, 3:14pm

Burying the Elephant Unnecessary?: Republican Party Explodes All Over the Place

Not quite a cremation by self-immolation, but certainly a scattering of the ashes of the Reagan-Bush GOP. A slew of fallout stories hit the presses today following the inconceivable "not guilty" votes by Republican Senators in the face of the Democratic House Managers' dominant wall of facts that Trump did incite a mob to attempt to overthrow a democratically elected government and did betray his oath of office by not protecting the Capitol and Congress members from murderous attack. Chips, as they say, are falling where the may.

Let's delve into the piles.

In an interview, David Schoen explains that Castor and van der Veen the other two Trump lawyers, were most intent on a power grab, pushing him (Schoen) out of his position as lead attorney. He describes crippling dysfunction within Trump’s impeachment team and his clashes with Trump’s other lawyers. Said Schoen. . .
"The House put on a pretty good presentation. (Castor) seemed to think he was the best lawyer on the team, or something. So he stood up and said, 'I think I better jump in here.' He jumped in and obviously it was like a filibuster. It was not a good presentation.

"I thought, 'This guy's career is going to disappear. I don't know how he's going to get up in the morning.'"

Second story (If not already posted, I'll write up details in another thread.): Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), the chair of the House Homeland Security Committee, is suing former President Donald Trump and his attorney Rudy Giuliani for conspiring to incite the Capitol riots in January, in violation of the 1871 KKK Act. I gotta ask, "I wonder why Rep. Thompson would know about this piece of Civil Rights legislation passed back when the GOP was the Party of Lincoln?"

Third story, a cautionary tale to stay away from Fifth Avenue, a whole lot of attempted shooting of selves is going on.: Republican efforts to restrict voting risk backfiring on party, conservative Law School professor Nick Stephanopoulos, who specializes in election law, tells Bloomberg. Why do I agree with Stephanopoulous and believe this is suicidal for the GOP? Most of the 100+ bills being introduced in various state legislatures impose photo ID requirements.
. . .research showing that voter ID laws passed over the last decade not only don’t hamper minority turnout, but may even boost it by motivating angry Democrats and spurring stronger get-out-the-vote efforts.
Provoking backlash in swing states doesn't bode well for Republicans. Georgia, anyone?

Fourth story, another GA story. There's a lot of them. Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan on Tuesday slammed his own party for censuring fellow Republicans for voting to impeach or convict former President Donald Trump. Speaking to CNN host, Duncan said. . .
"This is a tough time for us here in Georgia, but also for us in America, and certainly as a party. But Alisyn, I think (the) majority of Americans are ready for us. . .to use this as a pivot point to move on and talk about real issues."

Camerota then asked Duncan what he thought of Rep. Adam Kinzinger's (R-IL) family members lashing out at him and accusing him of betraying his Christian faith for voting to impeach the president.

"It's cringeworthy to hear people use faith for it," he said. "Our family has been shocked that the perspective that some folks brought us to."
His remark directly cites only one example of Republicans censured by their party for voting their (largely) Christian consciences that taught them right from wrong. Thank you for your hive mind warp, evangelicals!

Fifth story: Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) does the same thing to his state's GOP leadership for censuring him in a unanimous vote.
In a statement, Burr said it was "truly a sad day for North Carolina Republicans."
"My party's leadership has chosen loyalty to one man over the core principles of the Republican Party and the founders of our great nation," he said.
Still think the Republican Party is a political party and not a Trump Suicide/Death Cult?

Sixth story: Could former Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), be turning his back on the Trump Cult like so many fellow Republicans fleeing the GOP in droves? The Biden Administration is also looking at Cindy McCain (widow of former Sen. John McCain). . . .(Flake) is being considered by the Biden administration as a potential ambassador to South Africa, as well as other postings in Europe. Flake served a Mormon mission to Zimbabwe; McCain may get a plum western Europe appointment. Could Biden's willingness to award political sanity over political donors signal to other disgruntled Republicans that hope of life in public service still exits, but beyond the GOP? Also, nice subtle move, "Sleepy Joe" to woo AZ voters into remaining blue.

Seventh and Eighth stories are Republican wah-wahs.

Trump lover, Sen. Ron Johnson of WI. . .
Andrew Desiderio
@AndrewDesiderio
Ron Johnson still going after McConnell this morning on the radio:

“I think he needs to be a little careful... When the leader of the Senate conference speaks, he has to understand what he says reflects on all of us. And I didn’t appreciate his comments, let’s put it that way.”
11:52 AM · Feb 16, 2021
Feeling the burning desire to be Senate Minority Leader in the future, or do you have a vision of yourself as a presidential candidate in '24, sir? Johnson's political style is straight out of Trump's "How To Bully Your Way To the Presidential Pulpit." Remember his shouting match with Sen. Mitt. Romney during the Impeachment II trial? Plus, I'll also bet RoJo is boiling over Biden's visit to his home state while the president is enjoying a 60% approval rating, a percentage that Trump only reached in disapproval. Will there be hell to pay?

Finally, (Fun as it is, I'm getting tired of all this schadenfreude). Pennsylvania state GOP chair lashes out after impeachment: We did not elect Senator Pat Toomey 'to do the right thing'. Instead, the former head of the Club for Growth is getting clubbed by his own party.
Republican state party chairman Lawrence Tabas has advised committee members that he will soon call a meeting to “address and consider actions related to the impeachment vote.” Though the notice didn’t specifically mention Toomey, four party insiders said Monday that there’s growing momentum behind a push to censure the senator.

County parties across the state are already doing so.

“The York County Republican Committee condemns (Toomey). . .“It was overwhelming. There was no debate,” said Jeff Piccola, the York County Republican chairman and a former state senator. “They were cheering when they were voting and when the resolution was being read. . .it wasn’t my idea.

. . .loyalty to the former president has become an overriding litmus test in the GOP. It suggests Trump will continue to loom over the party as it looks ahead to 2022 campaigns for governor and U.S. Senate.
Confirming the liberal assessment that the Republican Party is little more than a Cult of Personality, aka, the Party of Trump, it's hard to continue the fiction that the GOP mastodon hasn't lumbered into the La Brea Tar Pits.



60Molly3028
Editat: feb. 17, 2:29pm

Rush Limbaugh, the dude who started America on the path to the Trump era, is dead. He died on the day Trump's Atlantic City casino was demolished. The GOP's death knell is growing stronger.

61kiparsky
feb. 17, 12:43pm

I understand they're already taking reservations for time slots to shit on his grave.

62Molly3028
Editat: feb. 17, 2:35pm

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-gop-2650596877/?traffic_source=Connatix

Trump's continued dominance over Republicans is a 'stage four cancer diagnosis for the GOP'

. . . "It shows the consequences of four years of Trump. But it shows something worse," writes Rothkopf. "It shows the consequences of tens of millions of Americans buying into Trump's lies, embracing his anger, celebrating his prejudices and seeking to make the party stand more as testament to the flaws of one man than it does for any ideas or values of any sort. It is a party that is not just defending but is actively promoting white supremacist domestic terrorism. That is no longer an aberration."

63mamzel
feb. 17, 3:32pm

This morning's video of the implosion made me wish this was the perfect metaphor for what (we hope) will happen to anything and anyone named Trump.

64Molly3028
Editat: feb. 18, 7:11am

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/beto-we-are-nearing-a-failed-state-in-texas-t...
Beto: ‘We are nearing a failed state in Texas’ thanks to GOP leadership

My take ~ Texas is going to be turning dark blue during the next two election cycles. And, the GOP deserves all of the credit for the colorful political switch. The Dems will most likely control Texas politics from 2022 going forward.

65Molly3028
Editat: feb. 18, 7:19am

https://www.mediaite.com/news/nikki-haley-goes-on-a-tear-against-anti-trump-medi...
Nikki Haley Goes on a Tear Against ‘Anti-Trump Media’ Trying to ‘Divide Republicans’ in Op-Ed After Politico Profile

My take ~ NH threw gasoline on the GOP's internal war last week. The media is just allowing the war to unfold by itself over the next 2/4 years.

66Molly3028
Editat: feb. 18, 7:33am

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/fox-nation-announces-new-tucker-carlson-p...
Fox Nation Announces New Tucker Carlson Podcast, Documentary Series

For this reason, and many others, I hope R. Murdoch is going to be taking his finally walk into the sunset pdq. The last thing the country needs is more hate, fear and lies spewing from the mouth of this white nationalist with mental-health issues.

67Molly3028
Editat: feb. 18, 8:54am

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/photos-of-ted-cruz-allegedly-fleeing-to-cancun-...
Photos of Ted Cruz Allegedly Fleeing to Cancun During Texas Arctic Blast Disaster Spark Outrage

Texas could have had Beto, but it re-elected this Trump cult follower who threw his wife and his father's memory under the bus. GOPers' infatuation with Trump is hopefully going to be the death of their careers.

68margd
feb. 18, 10:40am

McConnell's next chapter: Guiding the post-Trump GOP
BURGESS EVERETT and MELANIE ZANONA | 02/14/2021

...McConnell made clear in a Saturday evening interview that he will not hesitate to wade into future primary races if a Trump-backed candidate — like, say, Kelli Ward in Arizona or the former president's daughter-in-law Lara in North Carolina — threatens his bid to retake the majority.

...though McConnell excoriated Trump on Saturday for a “disgraceful dereliction of duty” during the Jan. 6 insurrection, afterward he quickly reverted to type and avoided the former president's controversies...And he did not elaborate on Saturday comments that appeared to hint Trump may face criminal prosecution.

...McConnell also declined to say if, should Trump seek the White House in 2024, he would stand in opposition: “I’m focused on ‘22.”...his members...are already beginning to trash Biden’s agenda as “far left." It's a strategy that allows Republicans to mostly ignore Trump for a few months, at least.

....not everyone listens to the party leader...Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.)...Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)...half-dozen senators who look to be mulling presidential runs, many under the Trump mantle...(Minority Leader) Rep. Kevin McCarthy...potential presidential hopefuls such as Mike Pompeo.

...Some on the right say Trump’s influence in the GOP isn’t fading just because he is out of office, thanks to his draw on the campaign trail and ability to grab headlines.

...Unlike the Senate, many House members are elected in noncompetitive, gerrymandered districts. That's produced a decidedly pro-Trump GOP conference over the years

...Trump leaves the GOP at a crossroads: It’s hard to imagine the party's next two years will be pretty given its divisions over Trump’s impeachment, his agenda and how to deal with his extra-legal challenges to the election. Soon after Trump's acquittal, state parties began hammering Senate Republicans who voted to convict.

...2022 doesn’t look so bad to (McConnell)...“The difference between now and 2009 is the difference between 40 and 50...I was there in 2009. I know what it looks like after you got clobbered. We didn't get clobbered (2020). We lost the White House.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/14/mcconnells-next-chapter-guiding-the-pos...

69lriley
feb. 18, 1:17pm

#68--Losing the two Georgia seats had to hurt--though the Warnock goes back up in 2022. Kind of would be smart of the dems to push DC and Puerto Rico statehood through before 2022. It's not going to happen if they lose the majority. If they do it they'll at the very least add 3 and probably 4.

There will once again be a lot more republican senate seats up in 22 than democratic ones. Already we also have 4 republicans retiring--Toomey,Shelby, Tillis and Portman. Toomey's will be a prime target for the D's. NC has turned purplish though the R's probably have a slight edge. Ohio might be interesting. It's a state Trump just won by 8 points but their leading Trumpian candidate got his ass handed to him by Sherrod Brown in 2020 one of the most liberal Senators. The thing being he's kind of pretty dumb.

2024 is when there will be a lot of dem Senate seats up. What makes me wonder is if Trump if he wins the nomination becomes a ball and chain for them in the general election. We shall see.

70Limelite
feb. 18, 2:21pm

Dying Elephant Emits Putrescence

Capitol Police are investigating newly elected Republican Congress members who tried to exert white privileged supremacy by evading metal detectors installed in the Capitol after the MAGA insurrection.

Huffington Post reporter, Matt Fuller is being questioned as a witness to the events. One case involves a member of Congress potentially assaulting a police officer and the other involves a lawmaker trying to bring a gun onto the House floor.
(Fuller) observed Rep. Russ Fulcher (R-Idaho) roughly push his way past an officer who was operating the metal detectors. The best way to describe what Fulcher did was he “manhandled” the officer, a Black woman who was significantly smaller than the congressman.

Fulcher set off the magnetometer. . .(then) grabbed the officer with both hands and pushed past her roughly.

Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) tried to bring a gun onto the House floor. (Fuller) also observed and publicly reported on that incident and was a material witness to Harris (who tried) to get another member. . .to hold his gun for him while Harris voted.

Harris went through the magnetometer that day, set off the machine and then complied with a search with a metal detector wand. The police officer conducting the search located a gun on Harris. . .

Members are allowed to carry firearms on the Capitol campus but are not allowed to carry them onto the House floor, and the District of Columbia requires a special permit for the concealed carrying of firearms.
It is unknown if Harris has a CC permit; Reporter Fuller heard Rep. John Katko (R-N.Y.) tell Harris, “I don’t have a license for that.” when Harris attempted to make him take his gun.

What a stink made by two white male "supremacists" sent to Congress by Trump supporters. No doubt they believe, IOKIYAR.

71lriley
feb. 18, 6:10pm

#70--Katko I suspect is on the outs with much of his party now after voting to impeach Trump.

72Limelite
feb. 18, 9:03pm

>71 lriley:

Imagine the outs he'll be in after he testifies under oath against Harris.

73lriley
feb. 18, 11:59pm

#72--as it turns out the impeachment of Donald Trump was bipartisan with 10 republican Congresspeople and 7 republican Senators joining ranks with the democrats to say Donald endangered the country and it was a leap for those 17 who are to great extent now considered pariah to their own party base. I also haven't seen any remarks by Katko (not saying there aren't) suggesting he has any intention of testifying against the Vice President Harris. I suspect that fantasy of impeaching Harris (for whatever I don't think even they know) is there for other republicans though.

I do not share the politics of those 17 for sure either. I do think however that Herrera Beutler, Cheney and Kinzinger in particular have really stuck their necks out and there is political courage there in doing the right thing knowing your political life is on the line. So many republicans talk about cancel culture yet here they are censuring those who voted their conscience on this.

74margd
feb. 25, 3:21pm

Our tax dollars at work:

Marjorie Taylor Greene has figured out a way to get attention from her House colleagues. Force a vote of the full chamber on a motion to adjourn, which she's done for a second straight day. Ties up the floor for about an hour.
- Manu Raju (CNN) @mkraju | 12:43 PM · Feb 25, 2021

75kiparsky
feb. 25, 4:20pm

>74 margd: Well, if you haven't got any ideas, you might as well make a nuisance of yourself, right?

She knows how the Republicans do.

76lriley
feb. 25, 6:03pm

Arizona republican congressman Andy Biggs is pointing the finger at antifa and black lives matter for postal delays. One has to wonder if it's just pure stupidity or just cynicism taken to the nth degree.

77Limelite
Editat: feb. 26, 2:33pm

CPAC is Dead

No longer the annual Republican policy strategy convention of yore. CPAC has now become a raucous rally for Trumpism and the reincarnation of "smoke-filled rooms" presidential nomination tasks that in more "modern times" has been the responsibility of primary elections. More evidence of Republican (MAGA) cancel culture? Eliminate the voice of the people by claiming elections are not to be trusted, not even their own primary elections? Then answer that claim with a "solution" that allows only the most strident voices to decide who will be the banner carrier in '24? Looks like it.

Instead of electing its leaders, Republicans have returned to the Age of Divine Right of Kings and will be anointing Trump as their Chosen Orange One. After all, without the customary big donor money that has been cut off, thanks to Trump's traitorous behavior that came to a head 1/6, Republican candidates of the Trumpian persuasion will have to depend on grassroots, ditto-heads, and closet Nazis to fund a campaign. They can hardly count on those financial sources to fund primaries and a general election whose costs mount to hundreds of millions of dollars without major corporate funding. Mr. Pillow, notwithstanding.

Policy concerns? Who needs policies or visions of a better future when promises (empty) and personality (con man) can get it done and return white supremacists to power? In the euphoria that can only come from delusion, today's Republicans have embraced the idea that only a L O S E R can lead them. Talk about your novel virus of an idea! Guess they're tired of winning in the Reality Based Community when one can never lose by living a lie.

I'm so glad that Mitch McConnell heroically flip-flopped again (I've lost count) and enthusiastically proclaimed that he will support Trump if he's his party's nominee in '24. Since Trump flipped GA blue, Trump + McConnell + Mr. Pillow (Trump's potential Veep?) and all the other crazy clowns (I'm looking at you, Cancun Ted) ought to be able to get both themselves un-elected and turn many other states a noble blue, too.

Is it polite to offer thoughts and prayers before the funeral?

78Limelite
feb. 26, 3:05pm

Republican Declares His Party "Breathing Its Last"

The author of Our Own Worst Enemy: The Assault from within on Modern Democracy, Tom Nichols, writes in The Atlantic that, "The GOP has become, in form if not in content, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union of the late 1970s." In his essay, he underscores the direct parallels between the Communist Party under Brezhnev, who. . .
. . .had cemented his grip on the Communist Party by elevating opportunists and cronies around him who insisted, publicly and privately, that Brezhnev was a heroic genius. Factories and streets and even a city were named for him, and he promoted himself to the top military rank of “Marshal of the Soviet Union.” He awarded himself so many honors and medals that, in a common Soviet joke of the time, a small earthquake in Moscow was said to have been caused by Brezhnev’s medal-festooned military overcoat falling off its hanger.
(SNIP)
Members of the Communist Party who questioned anything, or expressed any sign of unorthodoxy, could be denounced by name, or more likely, simply fired. They would not be executed—this was not Stalinism, after all—but some were left to rot in obscurity in some make-work exile job, eventually retiring as a forgotten “Comrade Pensioner.” The deal was clear: Pump the party’s nonsense and enjoy the good life, or squawk and be sent to manage a library in Kazakhstan.
The comparison is inescapable. As the conclusion will be, too, no doubt.
Another lesson from all this history is that the Republicans have no path to reform. Like their Soviet counterparts, their party is too far gone. Gorbachev tried to reform the Soviet Communist Party, and he remains reviled among the Soviet faithful to this day. Similar efforts by the remaining handful of reasonable Republicans are unlikely to fare any better. The Republican Party, to take a phrase from the early Soviet leader Leon Trotsky, should now be deposited where it belongs: in the “dustbin of history.”


79alco261
feb. 26, 4:07pm

What happens to a dead elephant? I hope I'm wrong, but the way things are going with respect to militant gerrymandering, voter suppression and Fox and company propaganda I'm afraid the answer is going to be - fall down and crush everything. Unless the Democrats can marshal some kind of very effective response in 2022 I have the feeling we are looking at what will be the last two years of the American experiment in democratic government.

80lriley
feb. 26, 4:22pm

If I'm not mistaken if Trump along with his three older children--Don Jr. Ivanka and Eric are convicted of tax fraud and other financial illegality in the New York case being prosecuted by Cy Vance besides whatever jail time they may or may not do they will be barred from running for a federal office. That may put something of a damper on the hold that shitbird family has on the republican party. From what I understand Vance has his tax records dating back to 2011. That would also put Trump's accountants and others who may have played a part in the bullseye of NY State as well and I suspect we will see some flipping of those. This is something that I look forward to seeing.

81margd
Editat: feb. 27, 4:13am

The nutballs, they're ba-ack... :(

Opening day at the circus #QPAC2021
1:22 ( https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1365480425003614211 )

- The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln | 8:54 PM · Feb 26, 2021

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Did you prioritize sanity and skip CPAC? Good call. Here are the highlights.
Spoiler Alert: You missed nothing and we’re all in danger.

1:06 ( https://twitter.com/IAmPoliticsGirl/status/1365518259311714307 )
From MeidasTouch.com

-PoliticsGirl @IAmPoliticsGirl | 11:24 PM · Feb 26, 2021

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They built the CPAC stage shaped exactly like legit nazi symbol too! Coincidence? Mmm dunno;
CPAC speaker Rep. Gosar & TX AG Paxton are also headlining the white nationalist AFPAC as well.
Pretty mask-off wouldn't you say?

Image-photo of stage ( https://twitter.com/RobinMelz/status/1365526246340382720/photo/1 )
Image-history of symbol ( https://twitter.com/RobinMelz/status/1365526246340382720/photo/2 )
Image-as worn by (Nazi?) ( https://twitter.com/RobinMelz/status/1365526246340382720/photo/3 )

- TheRobMelz@RobinMelz | 11:56 PM · Feb 26, 2021

82lriley
feb. 27, 6:21am

#81--don't want to lose that Neo-Nazi/Aryan Nations voting bloc. I bet you those guys are just thrilled that the GOP is once again legitimizing them.

83Molly3028
feb. 27, 3:04pm

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cpac-2650821757/
'We are watching a dying political party': ex-GOP lawmaker trashes former colleagues appearing at CPAC

Joe Walsh ~
. . . "we are watching a dying political party. We're watching a political party die, before our very eyes. This Republican party is like one of those far-right, European parties. I think it's done as a national party. What used to be fringe in the Republican Party, this bigotry and this intolerance, the culture war, as you call it -- it's now the base of the party. It cannot be fixed. It cannot be reformed."

84lriley
Editat: feb. 27, 6:39pm

#83--They think they're going to win back the House and the Senate. I don't think so. They're like Lucifer's insurrectionist army that got driven out of heaven. Middle fingers for them. Trump got 74 million idiots to vote for him but I'm thinking next time it will be less because for one he's going to shut out anyone who isn't a 'pure 100% true believer cult fucking follower' and Biden with over 81 million would get more because the idea of that fucker running again is going to get even more people thinking fuck you Trump--we're not doing you again. I would vote for literally whoever had the best chance of beating him no matter who. One thing for sure though he's got the militia, white supremacist and Qball voting blocs locked up.

852wonderY
Editat: feb. 27, 6:50pm

Some states allow independent voters a choice of ballot in the primaries. Think ahead y’all. I was an independent in WV all those years for that purpose. I moved to KY last year and cringing inside registered as a Republican for that purpose. I now get some interesting publications that Joe Average doesn’t.

I still put up Biden-Harris sign in my front yard till Inauguration Day.