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Editat: gen. 6, 5:36pm

Trump Betrays, Not Defends, the Constitution; Incites Civil War

Aided by his two primary Senate enablers, Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz, and a coterie of fellow travelers in Congress, Donald Trump incited an insurrection in Washington, D.C., telling his radicalized and anti-American supporters to "March on the Capitol," where both chambers were accepting the results of the safest, fairest, and most verified election in US history, as dictated by the Constitution.

In a total FAILURE of political leadership from the Republican Party -- the party in Control -- the Trumpist mob stormed and overwhelmed the Capitol Police, breached security and entered the Capitol Building, parading through Statuary Hall, intimidating a Capitol Police officer and pursuing him through the halls and floors until some of his colleagues came to his aid and created a standoff.

Thousands of rioters gained ingress into both chambers, provoking a point blank resistance by law enforcement, guns drawn on one side of the House windows and aimed at the insurrectionists who broke the windows of the main doors to the House and forced their way in. House members had been safely evacuated, along with VP Pence whose letter issued earlier in the day, defied Trump's direction that he steal the election from the people by "kidnapping" legitimate Electors, appointing new ones who would deliver Trump a victory he never earned.

During the insurrection's most active period of terror, lawmakers were told to take cover under their desks, or shelter in place if outside the chambers before they were safely evacuated. Once secured, lawmakers from both parties began to communicate, calling for Trump's immediate impeachment, for him to be removed via Amendment 25. Sens. Cruz and Johnson issued flacid pleas that he tweet (!) his supporters and "ask" them to go home. Trump did nothing. A press release from the WH stated that Trump was "monitoring events, watching news casts on several TVs."

(President) Biden appeared live on TV and fully condemned the rioters, the rioters enablers (senators and representatives), and Donald Trump, whom he labeled the inciter, for causing and being directly responsible for the violence.

Once reinforcements arrived, the D.C. Metropolitan Police, excluding National Guard because Trump would not order them to assist in protecting lives and federal buildings gunfire was heard coming from inside the Capitol Bldg. Several minutes later, a woman was carried from the building on a stretcher, covered in blood, and first responders desperately trying to recusitate her with an oxygen mask as they ran along side. Latest reports list her in critical condition. Several others were injured, requiring medical attention, including Cap. Pol.

Additionally at least two IEDs have been discovered on Capitol grounds. The timeline indicates that they may have been the initial diversion, designed to pull focus and personnel away from the Capitol itself to deal with those dangers.

Once it became apparent that rioters were being rounded up and security beginning to be restored, a taped message from Trump aired. It was the usual Trump lies in re "stolen election" and barely disguised Mafia speak of passive aggressive instructions to his civilian army to not really cut it off and stand down.

As I type, police -- still no Nat'l. Guard -- are dispersing people from the steps of the Capitol by use of gas and herding. As night falls, the situation still remains volatile and dangerous. Rioters continue to roam the mall. Continued acts of domestic terrorism are expected and surrounding states are sending troopers and their Nat'l. Guard troops to D.C. to defend the Republic. BREAKING: VA state police and SWAT are working their way through Dirksen Bldg.

But efforts to obtain victory over the insurrectionists is nothing like the June violent clearing of peaceful law-abiding citizens so Trump could get a selfie of him holding a Bible upside down outside a church.

Expect the recently named USAG to establish a special team of investigators to pore over photos, videos, and phone data in order to identify, charge, try and imprison the guilty. Which should include Trump, Hawley, and Cruz, Giuliani, and crackpot representatives and senate cosigners of the coup attempt documents. ,i>Anything less than charges of treason against Trump and charges of inciting a riot against him, Giuliani, and all the Republican cheerleaders would be a miscarriage of justice.

Editat: gen. 6, 5:36pm

In His Own Words: Trump's & Rioters FATES

gen. 6, 5:50pm

BREAKING: Woman Shot in Capitol This PM Now Dead

MSNBC reports she has died due to her wounds.

Add MURDER charges to all those treason and inciting a riot charges that are so richly deserved.

gen. 6, 5:55pm


Trump munching burgers in front of TV in the East Wing.

Sec'y of Homeland Security nowhere to be found in D.C. Trump sent him to Seattle, to get him out of the way.

Pence and Pelosi, #2 and #3 are being kept hidden in a bunker somewhere.

Where are the Republicans in power who are supposed to be governing our country -- Moscow Mitch? Kevin McCarthy -- not even a tweet demanding STOP! -- Lady Lindsey? in the corner of a closet somewhere?

Joe Biden is in charge.

Editat: gen. 6, 6:30pm

Q: Why is Trump like a pigeon?

A: They both say "coup! coup!"

(A2: Neither of them has significant control of their bowel movements)

gen. 6, 6:56pm

Speaker Pelosi Statement That Work of Certification Will Be Done Jan, 6th, 2021

Sen McCaskill reports her contacts with former colleagues in both parties of the Senate say they have been told that their work will be taken up again at 8:00.

Pelosi suggests the agenda will be shorter.

gen. 6, 7:06pm

Involuntary Departure Planning

Former FBI agent, Frank Figliuzzi, says the Bureau needs to make plans for the involuntary removal of Trump from the WH. He emphasizes enablers/facilitators, like Cruz and Hawley, are traitors. Concerned Trump will establish a permanent insurrectionist group if he's not removed. Hopes we don't allow him to establish in-house permanent domestic terrorist cell like in third world country (and even Puerto Rico).

Final statement: "Isolate this president and remove him."

gen. 6, 7:11pm

Single Republican Congresswoman Flees the Sedition Commission

Didn't get her name, but she announced she was abandoning the coup corps. Whoop. Dee. Doo. Lock her up. We've got a big prison in Guantanamo where these terrorist conspirators can be held.

gen. 6, 7:12pm

Twitter Closes Down Trump's Account

Announced for cause: "Inciting violence."

gen. 6, 7:29pm

Kansas City Star Blames Joshua Hawley for Events.

Hawley's hometown newspaper indicts the junior Senator from the state for inciting the insurrection.

It reported that Hawley issued a campaign fund drive for himself during the height of the insurrection violence. From his phone?

Assault on democracy: Sen. Josh Hawley has blood on his hands in Capitol coup attempt.
No one other than President Donald Trump himself is more responsible for Wednesday’s coup attempt at the U.S. Capitol than one Joshua David Hawley, the 41-year-old junior senator from Missouri, who put out a fundraising appeal while the siege was underway.

This, Sen. Hawley, is what law-breaking and destruction look like. This is what mobs do. This is not a protest, but a riot. One woman was shot and has died, The Washington Post reported, while lawmakers were sheltering in place.

“The Frankenstein just tore down the doors to the palace,” U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, a Democrat from Missouri, told The Star. Which happened because, as he said, “One-third of the nation has bought into a bald-faced lie, and they are living in a fact-free America.”

Just before the putsch began, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said sadly that we need to once again work from an agreed upon set of facts. Only now has he noticed that lying to the public on a daily basis poisons democracy.

“People have taken this too far,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said on Fox News. Until he had to run for cover, McCarthy was fine with this sick stunt.

U.S. Rep. Andy Barr, a Republican from Kentucky, said in a statement, “Today’s events at the U.S. Capitol are tragic, outrageous, and devastating. They are wholly inconsistent with the values of our constitutional Republic.”

Yes, they are. But they are wholly consistent with Trump’s calls to overturn this election to address nonexistent fraud. And they are wholly predictable, given the willingness of most Republicans to repeat these baseless claims.

No doubt plenty of Americans will see even this free-for-all in the temple of democracy as defensible. And those of you who have excused all of the brazen lawlessness of this administration can take a little bit of credit for these events, too. They couldn’t have done it without you.

This Is What a Traitor Looks Like

Editat: gen. 6, 7:48pm

Chief of Staff Resigns Over Violence

While it is Melania Trump's, one person has quit the asylum and stated clearly why.

One Republican has called for Trump's resignation.

Nat'l. Assoc. of Manufacturers issues statement that VP Pence should work with cabinet to remove Trump under 25th Amendment. In effect, saying Trump is a national security threat.

Congresswoman Cori Bush (D-MO) calls for EXPULSION of House members who participated in this coup attempt.

gen. 6, 7:52pm

Good start.

Editat: gen. 6, 8:13pm

Two US Attorneys -- OH and TN/MD(?) Will Prosecute Capitol Insurgents

Joining some others of their colleagues in emphasizing they will arrest and prosecute anyone who resides in their districts who traveled to DC to participate in the riots, even though both are Trump appointees and intend to honor the tradition of resigning their office at a change of power in the WH.

Chances are first jurisdiction actually belongs to US Atty in DC district. This could be interesting.
I'm unsure of second state announced, just recall it was a Southern one.

gen. 6, 8:40pm

The traitor Demonrats get a brief, small taste of what their thugs inflicted on real America for years.

Turns out they don't like it very much!

gen. 6, 9:02pm

>13 Limelite: Eastern Kentucky, I believe.

Editat: gen. 6, 9:06pm

>14 Kuiperdolin:

You lie!

Republicans not Trumpty-Dumbpties don't like it. Democrats on Capitol Hill are not going to allow Republicans to feed the beast of ignorant liars any more. Nor are regular people like me.

Trump. . .and YOU. . .LOST. It's OVER!

gen. 6, 9:04pm

Is the 25th Amendment being applied? Pence was the one who authorized the National Guard being called in, even though he does not have the authority. Or does he? Trump busy chowing down on McD's as he happily viewed the chaos he created, fanning the flames.

Pence is now back on the dais, the count is continuing. It will probably be over by the morning, if not late this evening.

Editat: gen. 6, 9:10pm

>14 Kuiperdolin:
Please cite all comparable incident stages by Democrats, whether elected officials or mobs whipped up by those officials.

Either cite those instances with evidence, or stop lying.

gen. 6, 9:12pm

>17 MsMixte:

Listening to the senators it sounds like rumblings of discontent with the current WH occupant. Both sides. Some Repubs. totally backed down and renounced their advocacy of stealing the election and said they'd uphold the Constitution.

At least for tonight, they have all drunk from the Cup of Truth. Are you listening to Rand Paul? Even he sounds sane tonight and remembers his oath is to uphold the Constitution, not Ayn Rand's ranty novels.

gen. 6, 9:20pm

>18 bohemima: Many of the photos show well-known Trump cultists, such as 'Baked Alaska', and Jake Angeli, who calls himself the "QAnon Shaman". They are PROUD of their attendance at this attempted coup, and they are not Antifa nor are they Democrats.

gen. 6, 9:40pm

BREAKING: CBS Reports Cabinet Meeting on Invoking 25th Amendment

Cabinet Discussing whether or not to remove Trump from office. Cabinet secretaries have not yet presented the process to Vice President Mike Pence, but that they are discussing the next steps. Pence is at present presiding as President of the Senate as it conducts debate on counting the ECVs and accepting the reality that Biden was elected.
President Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and Rudy Giuliani all made statements at the so-called "Stop the Steal" rally that encouraged the attacks. While Trump told his supporters to be peaceful, he also continued to suggest that they had to fight for their election.

Angry Republicans at the U.S. Capitol are thinking about it as well, reported late Wednesday night.

"He has to be impeached and removed," said a current Republican elected official who wouldn't allow their name to be used.

"I think this has been a huge shock to the system," said one former official agreeing.. "How do you keep him in place for two weeks after this?"

gen. 6, 9:47pm

>21 Limelite: This could be the reason for the rumour I am hearing about Elaine Chao (Sec. of Transportation, and wife of McConnell) pondering resigning.

Editat: gen. 6, 9:54pm

>22 MsMixte: If the cabinet members flipping resign, they can't vote to invoke the 25th, can they?

ETA: On the other hand, if those unprepared to invoke the 25th resign instead, does that shrink the denominator for the cabinet majority?

gen. 6, 9:56pm

W.Va. Delegate, Just Sworn In, Was Among the Mob Storming U.S. Capitol

A cell phone recording of a portion of now-deleted video. “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!”

West Virginia's Derrick Evans, (R-Wayne) live-streamed his experience as part of President Donald Trump's mob attacking the U.S. Capitol Wednesday. Perhaps understanding what he did was a crime, he quickly deleted the video while he was inside the Capitol building.

gen. 6, 10:06pm

>23 davidgn: Here's the Amendment:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office."

So a simply majority of whoever is left in the Cabinet would work.

One reading of this is as follows--

If the president is declared incapacitated and then the president declares himself to have capacity, then the four-day period starts where the vice president is still acting president.

If the president isn't re-declared incapacitated after four days, the president resumes being president.

But if the president is re-declared incapacitated during those four days, the vice president continues to be the acting president, and Congress has 21 days to agree (but with a supermajority) the president is incapacitated.

So if a majority of the Cabinet and the VP say, hey, we think you need a mental break, the president can say "no, I'm fine", the VP is still acting president. Congress can declare the president to be not fine, and he stays incapacitated, with the VP as acting president, until after his term in office expires.

gen. 6, 10:13pm

>20 MsMixte: Oh, I know. I was asking kuiperdolin to provide any proof that Democrats had done anything comparable to this, ever.

And apparently he has none. And so he should stop his lying posts.

gen. 6, 10:17pm

>14 Kuiperdolin: Okay, buddy. Back it up or shut it.

No bullshit, now. Don't play dumb. Make your case or fuck off.

gen. 6, 10:18pm

Prosecute Capitol Cop to Full Extent of the Law!

Capitol Police member caught on camera taking selfies with insurrectionists. Here's the answer, in part, to how did the rioters breach the Capitol security so easily? Friends just gotta be friends! Just didn't do his job. Thanks. Now NO Senator or Congress member can feel safe and protected when their safety is betrayed by those supposed to guard it.

Want to know what a little man traitor looks like?

Editat: gen. 6, 10:29pm

Would need a lot more context to make a judgment. The cop isn't the one taking the selfies; he's just submitting to them. And something to be said for defusing tension.

There may be traitors in the Capitol Police. As a start, maybe look into exactly who is responsible for failing to plan for today. But I need more than a 10-second clip before I go throwing that label around.

gen. 6, 10:44pm

BREAKING!: Cabinet Members Lining Up to RESIGN; Mitch McConnell Frantically Phoning to Forestall

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has been frantically calling White House staffers and asking them to hold off on resigning from the Trump administration and stay onboard for at least a few more hours, until things are clearer. Several major members of the Trump administration are considering stepping down in the wake of the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol by Trump supporters, and the president's failure to adequately condemn the violence.
While the President Trump egged on a mob of his supporters who had stormed the United States Capitol on Wednesday, several of his top aides began to scramble. Their mission, according to three sources familiar with the matter: to try to convince senior White House staffers and cabinet secretaries to stay in the administration, if only just for the night.

McConnell "has been busy making calls to the White House in an effort to try and maintain cohesiveness for the next few hours at a minimum," reported Asawin Suebsaeng, Erin Banco, and Lachlan Markay. "As Trump aides rushed to keep the departures to a minimum and perform some semblance of damage control, the president vented his fury that politicians and people on cable news were already starting to hold him responsible for the day's mayhem, according to two people familiar with the situation. Predictably, Trump held the position that it wasn't his fault, and that a strong public denunciation was not necessary at the time, the sources relayed."
Several. . .senior officials said they were considering quitting on the spot after news broke that an individual involved in Wednesday’s events at the Capitol had died as a result of a gunshot wound. Those officials include national security adviser Robert O’Brien, deputy national security adviser Matt Pottinger, and deputy chief of staff Chris Liddell -- and Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao — Mitch McConnell's wife.
(T)he president’s campaign was busy raising money off the election fraud conspiracy that precipitated Wednesday’s violence. “Congress is voting to certify, or OBJECT TO, the Election results. Pres Trump needs YOU to STAND WITH HIM! 1000% IMPACT! Donate,” Trump 2020 texted supporters at 1:36 p.m. ET on Wednesday, as gatherings of furious, Trump-supported MAGA fans forced the Hill into a frenzied state of lockdown and evacuation.
Meanwhile, lower-level administration officials wondered what the hell their bosses were up to. “Where is Acting Attorney General Rosen right now? Hiding under a desk? Polishing his resume? He certainly failed to prepare for this clearly telegraphed, systematically incited mob attack on our nation's Capitol,” a currently-serving Justice Department prosecutor (said).
At least three WH staffers associated with Melania Trump and WH communications offices have resigned.

gen. 6, 11:27pm

As I perceive the timeline of events that were not the riot, the resignation of Melania's chief of staff came on the heels of news of gunshots and the video of the woman who later died being stretchered out of the Capitol. This seems to have prompted the other two resignations by WH communications staff.

Hearing this, I think the article indicates that senior cabinet secretaries (and poss. staff?) then began to line up with their intentions to resign. One of them being Moscow Mitch's wife. She may have been the one to phone him with what was transpiring and her intention and that may have been the call that got Mitch to "frantically" work the phone, calling the secretaries and also their staff members trying to get them to hold off.

Now, Mitch was in lockdown, closeted with colleagues who began expressing their anger at Trump because they understood how the violence could harm; he heard them voicing their feelings that Trump had to go. The penny dropped. Aware of how the wind was blowing, Mitch begged the secretaries to meet this evening, once House and Senate returned to business and consider invoking the 25th. Or, perhaps one of the disgusted secretaries said that the only way he/she would refrain from resigning was if the cabinet met and considered invoking Amend. 25. "Either Trump goes, or I go."

And here we are. Waiting to find out what the Cabinet secy's concluded -- resign themselves or remove Trump. I am aware and posted tonight on LT that former FBI agent said the Agency needs to be planning the "involuntary removal" of the president immediately. That led me to believe that he was aware of such plans but was couching his remarks in such a way that they sounded like a personal opinion.

Because, of course, if the cabinet is considering invoking the 25th, they will need to discuss plans for Trump's physical removal should they do so, and would prudently ask the DoJ to make preparations.

Finally, multiple stories are coming out from many WH sources that Trump has lost it, one friend of Trump reportedly kept repeating over and over "he has lost his mind."

What do you think?

The Attorney General for the District of Columbia, Karl Racine, calls on Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump.
"Do your constitutional duty. Protect America, stand up for democracy, and invoke the 25th Amendment.

"That requires Vice President Pence to move and get a majority of the Cabinet or majority of the Congress to immediately remove the President because he so clearly is not fit for office," said Racine.

gen. 7, 12:17am

Giuliani butt dials the wrong senator, and thinks he's leaving a message for Tuberville. He desperately wants Tuberville to object to EVERY state's certified vote.

You can listen to the audio for yourselves:

gen. 7, 12:32am

That's pretty strong evidence of conspiracy to foment rebellion being led and directed by Trump.

Effort to foment chaos so he can declare state of national emergency and invoke martial law, then declare that peaceful transfer of power not possible under present circumstances and until investigation completed into events "that I believe are instigated by Anti-fa"?

Editat: gen. 7, 3:33am

Even after today, 138 Republican representatives voted as previously planned to uphold the objection to certifying Pennsylvania. Their names:

Aderholt Republican Alabama YEA
Allen Republican Georgia YEA
Arrington Republican Texas YEA
Babin Republican Texas YEA
Baird Republican Indiana YEA
Banks Republican Indiana YEA
Bentz Republican Oregon YEA
Bergman Republican Michigan YEA
Bice (OK) Republican Oklahoma YEA
Biggs Republican Arizona YEA
Bishop (NC) Republican North Carolina YEA
Boebert Republican Colorado YEA
Bost Republican Illinois YEA
Brooks Republican Alabama YEA
Budd Republican North Carolina YEA
Burchett Republican Tennessee YEA
Burgess Republican Texas YEA
Calvert Republican California YEA
Cammack Republican Florida YEA
Carl Republican Alabama YEA
Carter (GA) Republican Georgia YEA
Carter (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Cawthorn Republican North Carolina YEA
Chabot Republican Ohio YEA
Cline Republican Virginia YEA
Cloud Republican Texas YEA
Clyde Republican Georgia YEA
Cole Republican Oklahoma YEA
Crawford Republican Arkansas YEA
Davidson Republican Ohio YEA
DesJarlais Republican Tennessee YEA
Diaz-Balart Republican Florida YEA
Donalds Republican Florida YEA
Duncan Republican South Carolina YEA
Dunn Republican Florida YEA
Estes Republican Kansas YEA
Fallon Republican Texas YEA
Fischbach Republican Minnesota YEA
Fitzgerald Republican Wisconsin YEA
Fleischmann Republican Tennessee YEA
Foxx Republican North Carolina YEA
Franklin, C. Scott Republican Florida YEA
Fulcher Republican Idaho YEA
Gaetz Republican Florida YEA
Garcia (CA) Republican California YEA
Gibbs Republican Ohio YEA
Gimenez Republican Florida YEA
Gohmert Republican Texas YEA
Good (VA) Republican Virginia YEA
Gooden (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Gosar Republican Arizona YEA
Graves (LA) Republican Louisiana YEA
Graves (MO) Republican Missouri YEA
Green (TN) Republican Tennessee YEA
Greene (GA) Republican Georgia YEA
Griffith Republican Virginia YEA
Guest Republican Mississippi YEA
Hagedorn Republican Minnesota YEA
Harris Republican Maryland YEA
Harshbarger Republican Tennessee YEA
Hartzler Republican Missouri YEA
Hern Republican Oklahoma YEA
Herrell Republican New Mexico YEA
Hice (GA) Republican Georgia YEA
Higgins (LA) Republican Louisiana YEA
Hudson Republican North Carolina YEA
Issa Republican California YEA
Jackson Republican Texas YEA
Jacobs (NY) Republican New York YEA
Johnson (LA) Republican Louisiana YEA
Johnson (OH) Republican Ohio YEA
Jordan Republican Ohio YEA
Joyce (PA) Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Keller Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Kelly (MS) Republican Mississippi YEA
Kelly (PA) Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Kustoff Republican Tennessee YEA
LaMalfa Republican California YEA
Lamborn Republican Colorado YEA
Lesko Republican Arizona YEA
Long Republican Missouri YEA
Loudermilk Republican Georgia YEA
Lucas Republican Oklahoma YEA
Luetkemeyer Republican Missouri YEA
Malliotakis Republican New York YEA
Mann Republican Kansas YEA
Mast Republican Florida YEA
McCarthy Republican California YEA
McClain Republican Michigan YEA
Meuser Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Miller (IL) Republican Illinois YEA
Miller (WV) Republican West Virginia YEA
Mooney Republican West Virginia YEA
Moore (AL) Republican Alabama YEA
Mullin Republican Oklahoma YEA
Murphy (NC) Republican North Carolina YEA
Nehls Republican Texas YEA
Norman Republican South Carolina YEA
Nunes Republican California YEA
Obernolte Republican California YEA
Owens Republican Utah YEA
Palazzo Republican Mississippi YEA
Palmer Republican Alabama YEA
Pence Republican Indiana YEA
Perry Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Pfluger Republican Texas YEA
Posey Republican Florida YEA
Reschenthaler Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Rice (SC) Republican South Carolina YEA
Rogers (AL) Republican Alabama YEA
Rogers (KY) Republican Kentucky YEA
Rose Republican Tennessee YEA
Rosendale Republican Montana YEA
Rouzer Republican North Carolina YEA
Rutherford Republican Florida YEA
Scalise Republican Louisiana YEA
Schweikert Republican Arizona YEA
Sessions Republican Texas YEA
Smith (MO) Republican Missouri YEA
Smith (NE) Republican Nebraska YEA
Smucker Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Stefanik Republican New York YEA
Steube Republican Florida YEA
Stewart Republican Utah YEA
Thompson (PA) Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Tiffany Republican Wisconsin YEA
Timmons Republican South Carolina YEA
Van Drew Republican New Jersey YEA
Van Duyne Republican Texas YEA
Walberg Republican Michigan YEA
Walorski Republican Indiana YEA
Weber (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Webster (FL) Republican Florida YEA
Williams (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Wilson (SC) Republican South Carolina YEA
Wittman Republican Virginia YEA
Wright Republican Texas YEA
Zeldin Republican New York YEA

(per )

Meanwhile, if not mentioned elsewhere, 7 of the 10 rumored senators followed through as well. They are:

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz
Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley
Wyoming Sen. Cynthia Lummis
Kansas Sen. Roger Marshall
Florida Sen. Rick Scott
Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville
Mississippi Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith

(per )

Editat: gen. 7, 3:48am

For completeness, see also the votes on Arizona's votes.


"The objection raised against Arizona's electoral votes failed overwhelmingly in the Senate, 93-6.

Here are the six Republican senators who voted to sustain the objection:

Sen. Ted Cruz
Sen. Josh Hawley
Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith
Sen. Roger Marshall
Sen. John Kennedy
Sen. Tommy Tuberville"

And the Representatives:
Aderholt Republican Alabama YEA
Allen Republican Georgia YEA
Arrington Republican Texas YEA
Babin Republican Texas YEA
Baird Republican Indiana YEA
Banks Republican Indiana YEA
Bergman Republican Michigan YEA
Bice (OK) Republican Oklahoma YEA
Biggs Republican Arizona YEA
Bishop (NC) Republican North Carolina YEA
Boebert Republican Colorado YEA
Bost Republican Illinois YEA
Brooks Republican Alabama YEA
Budd Republican North Carolina YEA
Burchett Republican Tennessee YEA
Burgess Republican Texas YEA
Calvert Republican California YEA
Cammack Republican Florida YEA
Carl Republican Alabama YEA
Carter (GA) Republican Georgia YEA
Carter (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Cawthorn Republican North Carolina YEA
Cline Republican Virginia YEA
Cloud Republican Texas YEA
Clyde Republican Georgia YEA
Cole Republican Oklahoma YEA
Crawford Republican Arkansas YEA
Davidson Republican Ohio YEA
DesJarlais Republican Tennessee YEA
Diaz-Balart Republican Florida YEA
Donalds Republican Florida YEA
Duncan Republican South Carolina YEA
Dunn Republican Florida YEA
Estes Republican Kansas YEA
Fallon Republican Texas YEA
Fischbach Republican Minnesota YEA
Fitzgerald Republican Wisconsin YEA
Fleischmann Republican Tennessee YEA
Franklin, C. Scott Republican Florida YEA
Fulcher Republican Idaho YEA
Gaetz Republican Florida YEA
Garcia (CA) Republican California YEA
Gibbs Republican Ohio YEA
Gimenez Republican Florida YEA
Gohmert Republican Texas YEA
Good (VA) Republican Virginia YEA
Gooden (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Gosar Republican Arizona YEA
Graves (MO) Republican Missouri YEA
Green (TN) Republican Tennessee YEA
Greene (GA) Republican Georgia YEA
Griffith Republican Virginia YEA
Guest Republican Mississippi YEA
Hagedorn Republican Minnesota YEA
Harris Republican Maryland YEA
Harshbarger Republican Tennessee YEA
Hartzler Republican Missouri YEA
Hern Republican Oklahoma YEA
Herrell Republican New Mexico YEA
Hice (GA) Republican Georgia YEA
Higgins (LA) Republican Louisiana YEA
Hudson Republican North Carolina YEA
Issa Republican California YEA
Jackson Republican Texas YEA
Jacobs (NY) Republican New York YEA
Johnson (LA) Republican Louisiana YEA
Johnson (OH) Republican Ohio YEA
Jordan Republican Ohio YEA
Joyce (PA) Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Kelly (MS) Republican Mississippi YEA
Kelly (PA) Republican Pennsylvania YEA
LaMalfa Republican California YEA
Lamborn Republican Colorado YEA
LaTurner Republican Kansas YEA
Lesko Republican Arizona YEA
Long Republican Missouri YEA
Loudermilk Republican Georgia YEA
Lucas Republican Oklahoma YEA
Luetkemeyer Republican Missouri YEA
Malliotakis Republican New York YEA
Mann Republican Kansas YEA
Mast Republican Florida YEA
McCarthy Republican California YEA
McClain Republican Michigan YEA
Miller (IL) Republican Illinois YEA
Miller (WV) Republican West Virginia YEA
Moore (AL) Republican Alabama YEA
Mullin Republican Oklahoma YEA
Nehls Republican Texas YEA
Norman Republican South Carolina YEA
Nunes Republican California YEA
Obernolte Republican California YEA
Palazzo Republican Mississippi YEA
Palmer Republican Alabama YEA
Perry Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Pfluger Republican Texas YEA
Posey Republican Florida YEA
Reschenthaler Republican Pennsylvania YEA
Rice (SC) Republican South Carolina YEA
Rogers (AL) Republican Alabama YEA
Rogers (KY) Republican Kentucky YEA
Rose Republican Tennessee YEA
Rosendale Republican Montana YEA
Rouzer Republican North Carolina YEA
Rutherford Republican Florida YEA
Scalise Republican Louisiana YEA
Sessions Republican Texas YEA
Smith (MO) Republican Missouri YEA
Smith (NE) Republican Nebraska YEA
Steube Republican Florida YEA
Tiffany Republican Wisconsin YEA
Timmons Republican South Carolina YEA
Van Drew Republican New Jersey YEA
Walberg Republican Michigan YEA
Walorski Republican Indiana YEA
Weber (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Webster (FL) Republican Florida YEA
Williams (TX) Republican Texas YEA
Wilson (SC) Republican South Carolina YEA
Wright Republican Texas YEA
Zeldin Republican New York YEA

(per )

Names worth remembering.

Editat: gen. 7, 6:37am

Some foreign reactions.

US Capitol riots: World leaders react to 'horrifying' scenes in Washington (BBC)

World leaders have condemned violent scenes in Washington after supporters of US President Donald Trump stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday...

Boris Johnson condemns 'disgraceful scenes' in US (BBC)

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has condemned the "disgraceful scenes" in the US, after supporters of President Donald Trump stormed Congress and clashed with police... The PM said it was "vital that there should be a peaceful and orderly transfer of power". And Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said it was a "direct attack on democracy". "The United States stands for democracy around the world and it is now vital that there should be a peaceful and orderly transfer of power," Mr Johnson tweeted. Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, meanwhile, called the events "utterly horrifying". Friend of President Trump and leader of Reform UK - formerly the Brexit Party - Nigel Farage tweeted: "Storming Capitol Hill is wrong. The protesters must leave"...

Capitol siege: Trump's words 'directly led' to violence, Patel says (BBC)

Donald Trump's comments "directly led" to his supporters storming Congress and clashing with police, Home Secretary Priti Patel has said... Ms Patel said the president's words had fuelled the violence and he "didn't do anything to de-escalate that"...

US Congress Formally Certifies Joe Biden’s Election Win (Capital News (Kenya))

Congress formally certified Joe Biden as the next US president on Thursday, dealing a hammer blow to Donald Trump whose supporters stormed the Capitol hours earlier, triggering unprecedented scenes of mayhem in the seat of American democracy...

Former president George W. Bush also did not mince words, saying: “This is how election results are disputed in a banana republic — not our democratic republic”...

gen. 7, 6:35am

>36 davidgn: yep. Definitely worth remembering.

RIP USA 1776-2021

Editat: gen. 7, 7:52am

America survived. Baseless rumors without proof, thrown out of court over and over, lost

Demagoguery, incipient tyranny, and rule by unthinking violent mob lost.

Even Mike Pence, one of Mr. Trump’s most ardent supporters, told the mob, “You did not win!”

gen. 7, 7:24am

"Pence is now back on the dais, the count is continuing. It will probably be over by the morning, if not late this evening."

"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"

A most convenient little "mishap."

Editat: gen. 7, 7:38am

Chad Pergram (FOX Congressional correspondent) @ChadPergram | 9:47 PM · Jan 6, 2021:

From colleague John Roberts (FOX WH cxorrespondent): A well-placed source tells me there is talk swirling among Republicans in Congress of a possible 2nd impeachment proceeding - and conviction against Trump - to insure he can’t run for re-election.

Editat: gen. 7, 7:55am

We can only hope this is true. But after watching Mr. Trump’s mental abilities deteriorate over the past four years, I think a 2024 candidacy is unlikely.

gen. 7, 8:22am

>42 bohemima: Too much to hope, I suppose, that our elected representatives, having been physically attacked, would step up to their responsibilities and not leave it to a frightened, highly compromised bunch of Cabinet members, many of whom are ACTING and not confirmed or even nominated...

As I stated four years ago and especially now, Trump should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear button!

gen. 7, 9:31am

David Frum @davidfrum | 8:52 AM · Jan 7, 2021:
Her president deceived her.
Her trusted media authorities on radio and TV deceived her.
11 US senators and 140+ members of the US House of Representatives deceived her.
Facebook provided a platform to her deceivers.
She paid with her life for their deception. What will they pay?

Woman fatally shot as pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol identified as Air Force veteran
Jaclyn Peiser and Justin Jouvenal | Jan. 7, 2021

...She was one of four fatalities from the violent rioting that wreaked havoc through the halls of Congress on Wednesday, halting the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory. Three others died of unspecified medical emergencies during the chaos...

Elizabeth from Knoxville, TN, also deceived--maced, but luckier than Elizabeth...

Hunter Walker (Yahoo News) hunterw | 3:38 PM · Jan 6, 2021:
This woman was maced inside the Capitol. She told me, "It's a revolution!"
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gen. 7, 10:17am

>14 Kuiperdolin: nice meltdown lol.

>18 bohemima: No you stop lying. Evidence verywhere. On this very board.

gen. 7, 10:24am

>45 Kuiperdolin: You still have unsupported claims in >14 Kuiperdolin:. Are you going to try to back that up, or are you admitting right here, by your silence, that that was bullshit?

Editat: gen. 7, 11:31am

Jennifer Bendery (Huff Post, pres. Wash Press Club) @jbendery · 1h:
The House isn't coming back into session until after the inauguration.
The Senate has adjourned until Jan. 19.
Surreal cap to yesterday.

David Frum @davidfrum · 27m
They're leaving Trump in power and unsupervised?

World Series Champion Dodgers Fan Pablo G @DodgersFanPG | 11:13 AM · Jan 7, 2021
I actually think there was a “soft 25th” at some point yesterday.
I think key cabinet members agreed to no longer take orders from Trump, and Pence is basically calling the shots.
They won’t go through the formal process because of logistical hurdles and fear of the mob.

Steven Dennis (Bloomberg) @StevenTDennis | 11:00 AM · Jan 7, 2021

gen. 7, 3:41pm

>47 margd:

If that's the case, then Republicans have no intention of removing Trump from office, in spite of all their high-flown speeches last night calling him out by name for inciting the insurrection that placed their lives in danger and laying the responsibility for the MAGArioters death and destruction squarely at his feet.

It also means that Pelosi isn't going to follow up on her promise to impeach, if the VP and Senate Maj. Leader didn't act on implementing the 25th Amendment.

Doesn't it?

gen. 7, 5:25pm

Top Trump advisers discuss need to resist dangerous, unlawful orders
Jonathan Swan | Jan 7, 2020

Some top remaining administration officials are preparing to resist any unlawful or dangerous orders in the closing days of Trump's presidency, senior administration officials with direct knowledge of the sensitive conversations tell Axios.

...After Trump incited protesters to storm the Capitol on Wednesday, there's a near universal view among top officials that he is unfit and unhinged

...While several senior officials have already resigned in disgust since the riots, including Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and Deputy National Security adviser Matt Pottinger, there has been a heavy behind-the-scenes push to urge other top national security officials to stay on as a bulwark against emboldened U.S. enemies.

Multiple Cabinet officials and senators from both parties, including senior Senate Republicans, have privately urged National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone to stay in their jobs for the sake of the nation's security and continuity of government.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo also intends to stay on, according to a source briefed on his thinking.

Two senior national security officials told Axios that they and their colleagues at the top level of government have decided to defy any requests they believe would put the nation at risk or break the law. They plan to force Trump to fire them.

Some senior officials at the State Department and other agencies privately discussed the need to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office. That idea is going nowhere.

Many view it as bad for the country and technically unworkable in such a short period of time.
Senior officials described an awkward and troubling alternative — the reality that they are staying away from the West Wing, avoiding Trump, and hoping to white-knuckle their way to Jan. 20 without having to engage much with him.
Yesterday, Pence directly urged the Pentagon to hurry the deployment of the National Guard to the Capitol.

Both Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi have publicly signaled that Congress may push to impeach Trump a second time if his Cabinet does not invoke the 25th Amendment.*

* Even if insufficient time for Senate to indict, Trump would be the only president twice-impeached, a stain on his legacy. Still, I heard another 'rally' is being planned for Jan 19 & 20...

gen. 7, 5:25pm

>46 kiparsky: He won’t because he can’t.

>48 Limelite: I’m completely unsurprised.

gen. 7, 5:51pm

'Bunker' Trump Mocked As a 'Coward' for Fleeing to Camp David Amid Talk of 25th Amendment

Less than 24 hours after armed insurrectionists seized the U.S. Capitol at the president's urging, Donald Trump fled the city to Camp David. Well. . .I wonder. . .David Figliuzzi, former FBI agent, pointed out during his appearance on MSNBC yesterday that the first thing to do before executing an 'involuntary removal' of a president is to isolate him.

Is it even imaginable that Trump would choose not to go to one of his own golf resorts -- preferably a warm sunny one, like. . .say. . .Mar-a-Lago -- in the middle of freezing winter? Camp David is traditionally the formal "vacation" retreat of presidents only in the summer months where facilities are in place to foster privacy and matters of state, not golfing and matters of grifting suckers. Trump will only be able to "putt" and "drive" while on vacay there.

From where I sit (in pj's, in my parents' basement, in the dark, wearing an eye shade, surfing the web into the wee hours), my p.o.v. is that what we witnessed today is the Figliuzzi isolation step. Wisdom dictates that if the plan in place is to remove Trump from office, the way to avoid a second invasion by the barbarians is to whisk the object of their veneration off to a highly secure, private hide-away, where civilians are not admitted.

The formal name for "Camp David" is the Naval Support Facility Thurmont. As such, you might suspect it's very secure and committed to insuring a president's safety requirements -- all of his safety requirements.
The camp is reportedly one of the most secure facilities in the world, as reported by a Department of Defense journal in 1998. The facility is guarded by one of the United States Marine Corps' most elite units, MSC-CD (Marine Security Company, Camp David). Each Marine is selected from the infantry and sent through a battery of psychological and physical tests. He then must undergo specialized security training at the Marine Corps Security Forces School, in Chesapeake, Virginia. The Marines then report to Marine Barracks, Washington, D.C. Assuming the Marines successfully complete all their schooling, they still must, like their Navy counterparts, attain "Yankee White" security clearance. Only then will the Marines be eligible for the assignment at Camp David. After 12 months of service at Camp David, a Marine is awarded the Presidential Service Badge. Typically, tours at Camp David are 18-24 months.
Sounds like a supermax prison to me.

Trump's weekend vacation seems more and more like an arranged trip, but one not arranged by a travel agent. Both Schumer's demand for Trump's immediate removal, and Pelosi's promise that if Republicans didn't invoke the 25th Amendment, "preferably today," she was ready to do Impeachment II. HINT: something happened. Has anyone actually seen Mike Pence today? The only Veep "peep" has been an announcement that there would be a peaceful transition of power in the AM, and that he would attend Biden's inauguration in the PM.

Let's look at the chronology of today's events, beginning with Sen. Schumar's call to colleagues that they invoke the 25th.

9:33 a.m., Thursday, Jan. 7, 2021 -- Schumer Calls On Cabinet To Invoke 25th Amendment
10:45 a.m., Thursday, Jan. 7, 2021 -- Transportation Secretary Chao Resigns After Riot
11 a.m., Thursday, Jan. 7, 2021 -- Biden Places Blame For Capitol Violence On Trump
11:26 a.m., Thursday, Jan. 7, 2021 -- Pelosi Calls For Using 25th Amendment On Trump
1:04 p.m., Thursday, Jan. 7, 2021 -- Mike Pence Set To Attend Inauguration (announcement issued from his office)
FAA issues flight restrictions scheduled to take effect on Friday at 3:30 p.m. -- YET: Donald Trump "flees" to Camp David mid-afternoon Thursday, Jan. 7, 2021.

The flight restriction are scheduled to be lifted Sunday at 2:00 p.m., which reads to me like VIPs may be shuffling back and forth, D.C. WH to "Summer WH" to D.C. WH, or that members of Trump's household are going to be ferried in order to join him and share his vacation at Camp David.

All of these pieces look like a carefully choreographed plan for public acts, signaling shifts and solidifications of agreed upon steps in executing an involuntary removal of a man unfit to serve as president who represents a threat to the lives of Americans.


Editat: gen. 7, 9:04pm

Have you seen his little speech of reconciliation?

gen. 7, 9:06pm

Don't write off impeachment just yet.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team are considering a lightning-quick impeachment process if Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet refuse to take unprecedented steps to remove President Donald Trump from office in less than two weeks' time, according to multiple Democratic sources.

The stunning intervention to remove a sitting president would need significant bipartisan support to succeed in the Senate, something Democrats don't have yet. But Pelosi has bluntly warned the White House that the House would impeach Trump for "seditious acts" in inciting riots at the Capitol on Wednesday.
"This is urgent -- this is an emergency of the highest magnitude," the California Democrat told reporters Thursday. "My phone has been exploding with 'impeach, impeach, impeach.' "
Top Democrats say there have not been serious discussions yet about impeaching Trump for the second time in his presidency, something that has never been done before.
If Pence and the Cabinet don't invoke the 25th Amendment, Democrats have been discussing a process that would allow them to bypass the committee proceedings and move articles of impeachment directly to the floor within two days.
The discussions are expected to intensify Friday, when House Democrats hold their first full-caucus call since the attack on the US Capitol as a growing number of members press for impeachment.
Any member could offer a privileged resolution, but it has to be when the House is in session. It cannot be a brief pro forma session when no legislative business is conducted. Right now, the House is not scheduled to be back until January 19, but House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, has not ruled out bringing the House back into session next week.

Once the resolution is offered, it would automatically be put up for a vote within 48 hours. With majority support, the House would impeach Trump, sending it to the Senate for a trial about whether to remove him from office.

But with so little time left in Trump's presidency, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would essentially be able to run out the clock and avoid a Senate impeachment trial in Trump's remaining few days in office, according to Hill sources.
McConnell declined to comment on the Kentucky Republican's views on invoking the 25th Amendment.

Impeachment wasn't the preferred route going into the day, nor was it considered a likely option for Democratic leaders. But the momentum of members getting behind it creates momentum for something leaders weren't initially planning to pursue.

Unfortunately, per that piece at least, Biden is not on board.

gen. 7, 9:30pm

>52 bohemima: Yes. Grotesque. Clearly a teleprompter job written by his more lucid lawyers.

gen. 7, 9:44pm

gen. 7, 9:53pm

By the way, here's the list of Cabinet members:

Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue

Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen

Director of the Central Intelligence Agency Gina Haspel

Secretary of Commerce Wilbur L. Ross, Jr.

Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher C. Miller

Secretary of Education Elisabeth Prince DeVos--GONE!

Secretary of Energy Dan Brouillette

Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency Andrew Wheeler

Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar

Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Benjamin S. Carson, Sr.

Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt

Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia

Director of the Office of Management and Budget Russ Vought

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe

Administrator of the Small Business Administration Jovita Carranza

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

Secretary of Transportation Elaine L. Chao--GONE!!

Secretary of the Treasury Steven T. Mnuchin

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer

Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie

Vice President Michael R. Pence

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows

gen. 7, 10:30pm

>56 davidgn:

Woah! Second sentence a lie, followed by 4-5 others as he pivots from insurrection through several other issues, to closing with a threat: "I've only just begun. . .I'll be back."

Gotta say, that's the best reading aloud off a teleprompter I've ever heard him do. How many takes do you suppose were needed? The guy had been awake around 4AM this morning.

gen. 7, 10:57pm

Thirteen Days of Peril: Managing the Chaotic End of the Trump Presidency (International Crisis Group)

Since a violent mob instigated by President Donald Trump surged into the U.S. Capitol on the afternoon of 6 January, a question that U.S. political leaders have arguably been dodging for too long became especially acute: how to safeguard the United States’ people and institutions, and for that matter global peace and security, from the U.S. president. While the thirteen days left in Trump’s administration may seem a modest period to weather, they could be a perilously long time given the extraordinary powers of the U.S. presidency. Members of the president’s Republican Party in Congress and in senior roles in his administration must use the influence afforded by their constitutional powers to rein in Trump for the next two weeks, which at a minimum will mean wielding a credible threat to expel him from office if he threatens to do more harm on the scale of the 6 January events. Then it will be up to the incoming Joe Biden administration to begin tackling the internal rifts and tensions that have led the world’s most powerful nation to this precarious place...

gen. 8, 1:00am

Seen from afar I simply don't understand why the people who got inside weren't detained. Letting them go and then trying to identify them by photos afterwards? Of course they could claim that they were invited by the POTUS but I think a judge should well be the judge of that or at least have them present their Guest Cards.
Also the pictures of a mob breaking into the building with their bare hands?
It reminded me of playing Colossal Cave in the late 1970's:

Violation of Common Sense - TV › Tropes

gen. 8, 1:15am

>60 bnielsen: I doubt very much that the capitol police have sufficient holding space to detain that many people, even to hold them long enough for the DC police to turn up with transport.

gen. 8, 2:39am

>61 kiparsky: should show Danish police handle a similar problem. (Basically: handcuff them and sit them on the ground until transportation arrives. And yes, some them will get cold and wet their pants. Probably a worse punishment than the rather small fine for not obeying police directions).
The handcuffs are very similar (maybe even identical) to cable tie straps, so a visit to a nearby Walmart or similar should suffice even if the police have run out of supplies.

I still think the whole thing is TV Trope stuff. (i.e. the guy in the chewbacca bikini) Maybe I should see "Iron Sky" again. The plot is more credible :-)

Editat: gen. 8, 3:47am

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

by Mitch Prothero

Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.

They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the dire nature of the subject.

While they did not furnish evidence that federal agency officials facilitated the chaos, Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the scale and seriousness of Wednesday's events: America's international military and security allies are now willing to give serious credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and that some federal law-enforcement agents — by omission or otherwise — facilitated the attempt.
One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.

"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

"I can't believe this happened."

gen. 8, 3:49am

As I believe I put it here weeks or months ago: it is fortunate that Trump is not a more capable man.

Editat: gen. 8, 8:37am

Twitter story is that now-deceased Capitol police officer was clobbered on head with a fire extinguisher...

United States Capitol Police officer died Thursday night from injuries sustained when he engaged with a pro-Trump mob that descended on the U.S. Capitol the day before.

Officer Brian D. Sicknick died at about 9:30 p.m. on Thursday, the Capitol Police said in a statement. He had been with the agency since 2008.

Mr. Sicknick was responding to the riots on Wednesday and “was injured while physically engaging with protesters,” the agency’s statement said, although officials didn’t immediately elaborate on the nature of his injuries or how he interacted with the crowd. After sustaining the injuries, Mr. Sicknick returned to his division office, collapsed, and was taken to the hospital....

DC Police:


SO pleased with herself--that was OUR (taxpayers') door and MY vote she was seeking to cancel! Grr!

Cleavon MD @Cleavon_MD | 7:10 PM · Jan 7, 2021:
Meet Jenny Cudd from Midland Texas "WE did break down @SpeakerPelosi's office door and somebody stole her gavel and
I took a picture sitting in the chair flipping off the camera and that was on Fox News" @FBI
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From Nikki


FBI Washington Field @FBIWFO | 10:38 PM · Jan 7, 2021:
#FBIWFO is offering a reward of up to $50K for info leading to the location, arrest & conviction of the person(s) responsible for the pipe bombs found in DC on Jan. 6.
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Dan Rather @DanRather | 12:11 AM · Jan 8, 2021
The irony is that almost none of these rioters wore masks so they will be easier to identify.

Editat: gen. 8, 5:11am

It may be that DoD didn't want to be drawn into domestic policing or unbelievable incompetence,
but Twitter smells a plot. So, too, our allies (>63 davidgn:):
AG Barr resigns leaving Trump-friendly deputy AG at DOJ, which is to command National Guard
(per Pentagon spokesperson Jonathan Hoffman (below).)
Trump replaced civilian authority in DOD. Biden transition team complains of foot-dragging.
DC denied active National Guard, at least initially.
MD Governor initially denied National Guard.
VA Governor's National Guard to be delayed four hours. (Call-up takes time?)
Some Capitol Police beckoned, admitted mob, took selfies.

At least there will be ~ 9,000 guarding Capitol in run-up to Jan 20 Inauguration.
Trump focuses on self-pardon while Congress readies articles of impeachment for possible introduction Monday 11th.
(110 co-sponsors already:

D.C. mayor calls on National Guard as pro-Trump protests set for capital
Phil Helsel | Jan. 5, 2021

...More than 300 District of Columbia National Guard personnel will support the city government Tuesday and Wednesday, providing crowd control at Metro stations and helping with street closures, the guard said in a statement.

David Beard @dabeard | 9:13 PM · Jan 7, 2021:
Ahead of the pro-Trump mob's storming of the Capitol, the Pentagon prevented the D.C. National Guard from getting ammo, riot gear, most interactions w/ protesters or sharing equipment with local law enforcement without a Trump appointee's OK

Pentagon placed limits on D.C. Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests due to narrow mission
Paul Sonne, Peter Hermann and Missy Ryan | Jan. 7, 2021 at 9:43 p.m. EST

...In memos issued Monday and Tuesday in response to a request from the D.C. mayor, the Pentagon prohibited the District’s guardsmen from receiving ammunition or riot gear, interacting with protesters unless necessary for self-defense, sharing equipment with local law enforcement, or using Guard surveillance and air assets without the defense secretary’s explicit sign-off, according to officials familiar with the orders. The limits were established because the Guard hadn’t been asked to assist with crowd or riot control.

The D.C. Guard was also told it would be allowed to deploy a quick-reaction force only as a measure of last resort,...

Then the mission abruptly changed — and the Pentagon is now facing criticism from governors and local officials who say it moved too slowly to send National Guard troops to respond, a charge that its leaders denied Thursday.

The Capitol Police, the law enforcement force that reports to Congress and protects the House and Senate, hadn’t requested help from the Guard ahead of Wednesday’s events. But early Wednesday afternoon, its chief made an urgent plea for backup from 200 troops during a call with top Pentagon and city officials, according to officials familiar with the call.

On the call, Capitol Police Chief Steven A. Sund was asked whether he wanted help from the National Guard. “There was a pause,” one of the D.C. officials said. And Sund said yes. “Then there was another pause, and an official from the office of the secretary of the Army said that wasn’t going to be possible.”

The Army official — who was speaking on behalf of the secretary of the Army, who was de facto commanding the D.C. Guard but was not on the call — said the “optics” of soldiers inside the Capitol building was not something they wanted...

Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) confirmed that account in an interview with The Washington Post, saying Capitol Police “made it perfectly clear that they needed extraordinary help, including the National Guard. There was some concern from the Army of what it would look like to have armed military personnel on the grounds of the Capitol.” One concern was whether the Army had been invited by Congress.

A U.S. defense official said the Army general on the call didn’t formally deny the request but rather reinforced the negative optics of having uniformed personnel inside the Capitol, a point on which Bowser had agreed, and later checked with the chain of command. The defense official said Bowser agreed that if further support was necessary, D.C. police would provide it inside the Capitol, and the Guard would backfill D.C. police positions away from the building.

The defense official said the military wanted to be the force of last resort, and that military officials had urged Bowser to request more support from federal law enforcement but that she didn’t do so until Wednesday.

Higher-up leaders at the Pentagon then evaluated the request and activated the full D.C. Guard, in addition to later calling the governors of other states to send their Guard forces as reinforcements. The officials also lifted limits on the Guard for the new mission, arming guardsmen with riot gear, but not guns, before they headed to create a perimeter around the Capitol.

In the roughly three hours it took the Pentagon to make the shift from traffic policing to full-fledged riot response, the Capitol Police found themselves overwhelmed and rioters stormed the building, forcing lawmakers to take cover and barricade themselves in their offices. The Pentagon left it to federal law enforcement to clear the Capitol of the rioters, amid the hesitancy about sending Guard units into the building itself. By the evening, Guard units helped the Capitol Police and federal and city law enforcement reestablish a perimeter around the building.

By Thursday, National Guard forces from across the Mid-Atlantic region (incl. VA, MD, PA, NY) were moving into the Washington area.

On Thursday afternoon, 24 hours after the Capitol breach, acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller called the violence “reprehensible and contrary to the tenets of the United States Constitution.”

“I, and the people I lead in the Department of Defense, continue to perform our duties in accordance with our oath of office, and will execute the time-honored peaceful transition of power to President-elect Biden on January 20,” he said in a statement.

Images of rioters overpowering a light law enforcement force and smashing their way into the Capitol building prompted immediate questions about how such a dramatic security breakdown could occur, especially given that rioters had openly voiced their intent to use violence on social media.

One contributing factor: As the seriousness of the threat became clear, the jumble of jurisdictions and command structures made it more difficult to respond with speed. Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, who functions as de facto commander of the D.C. National Guard on behalf of the president, because the District is not a state, said 6,200 troops would be positioned in and around the city by the weekend, including Guard forces from Pennsylvania, New York and other nearby states.

Speaking alongside Bowser on Thursday, McCarthy said the military acted as quickly as it could once it received local authorities’ request for additional support and said officials had not been anticipating such a violent event, despite prolific calls on online platforms for violent action to overturn the Nov. 3 election.

McCarthy said officials didn’t in their “wildest imagination” envision rioters breaching Capitol grounds. City leadership had asked the Guard to carry out only a narrow mission, defense officials noted.

...The Pentagon came under severe criticism in June, after National Guard forces were on hand when unarmed protesters were forcibly cleared from an area near the White House and front-line troops were positioned outside of Washington. (military helicopters flew low over protesters, surveillance assets hovered above the city and residents were left with a sense that the District was being occupied or was under siege)

On Thursday, some local officials complained about a delay in granting their request for additional National Guard help as rioters swarmed the Capitol.

But Guard units arrived less than three hours after local authorities made the emergency request for more help, defense officials said.

The Defense Department controls the D.C. Guard because the military force answers to the president rather than the mayor. The president’s power over the D.C. Guard is delegated to the defense secretary, then the Army secretary, who makes command decisions. It is therefore up to the Pentagon leadership to call state governors if the D.C. Guard needs reinforcement.

...A U.S. defense official, who like other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations, said the military always issues memos outlining the parameters of any mission. The limits added ahead of Wednesday’s events made sense, the official said, given that D.C. officials requested the deployment of only a small contingent of some 340 guardsmen, primarily to control traffic and monitor Metro stations.

“All commanders have left and right limits,” the official said. “There is no such thing as carte blanche.”

The official said that when the mission changed Wednesday afternoon, the Pentagon provided more forces than were requested, bringing in Guard units from outside states and loosening the restrictions, and moved quickly.

The scope of the initial mission request by D.C. and the unique command structure of the D.C. Guard may have made it more difficult for authorities to quickly send guardsmen to aid at the Capitol. Defense leaders defended the timing of the Guard response, citing “confusion” in scoping out a revised mission among multiple agencies and jurisdictions.

Speaking to reporters by phone Thursday, McCarthy said that after violence erupted around 2 p.m. Wednesday, he spoke with Bowser and the request was relayed for about 200 additional soldiers.

“It was at that time we were trying to get to figure out the situation up on the Capitol Hill between our two entities and phone calls from members of Congress and others,” he said.

McCarthy then briefed Miller, who authorized the deployment of all available D.C. Guard troops, some 1,100 soldiers, with the goal of getting them to the D.C. Armory within four hours.

At the same time, McCarthy said, they began trying to pull the approximately 250 Guard troops who were already deployed in D.C., return them to the Armory to don riot gear and redirect them to the Capitol. By early evening, D.C. Guard troops were in place around the Capitol, allowing police and FBI to search the building and clear it for lawmakers’ return.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan (R) said he received a call from House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), who said he was in a secure location with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer.

“I was actually on the phone with Leader Hoyer, who was pleading with us to send the guard,” Hogan said. “He was yelling across the room to Schumer and they were back and forth saying we do have the authorization, and I’m saying, ‘I’m telling you we do not have the authorization.’ ”

Hogan said Maj. Gen. Timothy Gowen, the adjutant general of the Maryland National Guard, was repeatedly rebuffed by the Pentagon. “The general . . . kept running it up the flagpole, and we don’t have authorization,” he said.

Ninety minutes later, Hogan said, he received a call “out of the blue, not from the secretary of defense, not through what would be normal channels,” but from McCarthy, who asked if the Maryland guardsmen could “come as soon as possible.”

“It was like, yeah, we’re waiting, we’re ready,” said Hogan, who had already sent 200 State Police troopers at Bowser’s request.

Virginia sent in its Guard after Gov. Ralph Northam (D) received a call from Pelosi asking for help.

Clark Mercer, Northam’s chief of staff, said he received a call from his counterpart in Bowser’s office, who suggested the Defense Department wasn’t moving fast enough and asked for Virginia to send in its own state Guard.

Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said the governor called up the Guard immediately after talking with Bowser, knowing it would take some time for guardsmen to prepare. The Northam administration worked with the Defense Department only after the fact, but was able to reach the necessary agreements before guardsmen crossed state lines, she said. The governor’s office publicly announced that he had called up the Guard at 3:29 p.m.

Once the Pentagon signed off, the Guard mounted a vast response.

“Going through that mission analysis process, we were able to do an analysis and provide more than what they asked for,” the defense official said. “No one asked us to activate the entire Guard. Those are decisions we made on our own by taking a pause and conducting another analysis.”

Capitol Hill riots: DC mayor calls for statehood, wants National Guard power removed from president
Danielle Wallace | Jan 7, 2021

...(DC Mayor Muriel) Bowser said it’s important to "understand why federal law enforcement response was much stronger at the protests over the summer than during the attack on Congress Wednesday."

If the District of Columbia becomes the 51st state, Bowser said D.C. would not need to make requests to the secretary of the Army for support from the National Guard. The "mayor/governor" would not be restricted in any way in how to deploy the guard and could be nimble in how to change the National Guard deployment plan, she said. If the plan limits guardsmen to a certain street, then the mayor/governor could make the determination to adjust such limitations.

If the district acquires statehood, and the office of the mayor becomes the office of a governor, Bowser said she still would not have the power to make the decision to put guardsmen on the Capitol steps or put state police on the grounds of the Capitol complex.

Bowser called on the Joint Terrorism Task Force to investigate, arrest and prosecute any individual who entered the Capitol, destroyed property or incited acts of domestic terrorism observed Wednesday.

"More immediately, we know that the current president must be held accountable for this unprecedented attack on our democracy," Bowser said, sharing screenshots of tweets by President Trump from Wednesday. "What happened yesterday is what he wanted to happen, and we must not underestimate the damage he can do to our nation and our democracy over the next two weeks."

Bowser said members of Congress have their own separate police force, U.S. Capitol Police, and the Metropolitan Police Department can assist Capitol Police in their operations when requested...

Pence called for these National Guard after the attack was underway (?)

Pentagon says all 1,100 DC National Guard members deployed to Capitol occupation
Nexstar Media Wire and The Associated Press | Jan 6, 2021 / 04:04 PM EST / Updated: Jan 6, 2021 / 05:40 PM EST

The Pentagon said Wednesday that about 1,100 D.C. National Guard members are being mobilized to help support law enforcement as violent supporters of President Donald Trump breached the U.S. Capitol.

Pentagon spokesperson Jonathan Hoffman said Wednesday afternoon that defense leaders have been in contact with the city and congressional leadership.

A defense official said all 1,100 of the D.C. Guard were being activated and sent to the city’s armory. The Guard forces will be used at checkpoints and for other similar duties and could also help in the enforcement of the 6 p.m. curfew being implemented tonight in the city.

The officials said the D.C. request for National Guard was not rejected earlier in the day.

Instead, according to officials, the Guard members have a very specific mission that does not include putting military in a law enforcement role at the Capitol. As a result, the Guard must be used to backfill law enforcement outside the Capitol complex, freeing up more law enforcement to respond to the Capitol.

Hoffman said the law enforcement response to the violence will be led by the Justice Department...

Maryland Gov. Hogan: ‘America would be better off’ if Trump resigns or is removed from office
Bryn Stole and Alison Knezevich Baltimore Sun | Jan 07, 2021

...Hogan said federal defense officials repeatedly turned down the state’s initial offers to send Maryland National Guard troops to the District of Columbia over the course of 90 minutes Wednesday, until he got a call from U.S. Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy.

Before that authorization came, Hogan said, U.S. Rep. Steny Hoyer, the House majority leader, called him and said U.S. Capitol Police were overwhelmed and that there was no federal law enforcement presence. Hoyer was with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer in an undisclosed location for safety reasons, Hogan said.

Hoyer told him congressional leaders were “pleading” for the governor to send in the Maryland National Guard and seemed baffled to hear permission was being denied, Hogan said...

Northam sending state troopers, Virginia National Guard to US Capitol
13News Now Staff | 3:54 PM EST January 6, 2021. Updated: 7:25 PM EST January 6, 2021

WASHINGTON — Virginia Governor Ralph Northam...tweeted that at D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser's request, he would send "members of the Virginia National Guard along with 200 Virginia State Troopers."

...Guard troops from D.C.'s border states started to move in after the Department of Defense first denied D.C National Guard troops to be deployed to the Capitol, according to the D.C Council in a statement to WUSA9.

U.S. Capitol Police ordered the Capitol locked down Wednesday and evacuations of two Capitol campus buildings — the Library of Congress James Madison Memorial Building and the Cannon House Office Building — as protests rage at the Capitol complex...

The Official New York Socialist @TheNYSocialist | 4:39 PM · Jan 7, 2021:
Another video of police just letting rioters into capitol grounds. Good grief.
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Steve Herman (VOA) @W7VOA | 7:02 PM · Jan 7, 2021:
A @DCPoliceDept officer says off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the US Capitol.

Justice Department warns of national security fallout from Capitol Hill insurrection
NATASHA BERTRAND | 01/07/2021’s not only the physical security of members, staff and other employees that was endangered by the breach—congressional offices were ransacked...the Senate Parliamentarian’s office was raided, leaving piles of documents scattered across the floor and into the hallway...foreign adversaries could have easily infiltrated the crowd that encircled the Capitol...questions remain about whether the attackers were able to remove any physical documents containing personal identifying information, legislative strategy or sensitive logistical details...risk that lawmakers might again be targeted makes it all the more urgent that officials get fully apprised what sensitive information — about members’ schedules, for example, or inauguration plans — was stolen...

“If this were an organized, fully intent terrorist group — and there were certainly terrorist activities yesterday, but I mean, al Qaeda style — they could have killed a lot of representatives and god knows what else,” (Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.)) said. ...

...Capitol Police are now facing a reckoning after appearing to feed the rioters’ perception that they would not be severely punished for their behavior, as one congressional staffer said — videos have circulated online appearing to show a Capitol police officer taking selfies with the protesters, and some Metro D.C. police officers were seen chatting and joking around with protesters who had breached the perimeter.

“The fact is that it’s explicitly because they were white dudes with the support of the president that law enforcement basically did nothing,” the staffer said.

One current Metro D.C. police officer said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the building. “If these people can storm the Capitol building with no regard to punishment, you have to wonder how much they abuse their powers when they put on their uniforms,” the officer wrote.

“I agree they would take over the Capitol in minutes,” said another Democratic lawmaker when asked whether, on an average day with even looser security, an even more organized and militarized terrorist group might be able to breach the building. “Virtually every member is asking how this could happen,” he said.

...It remains unclear why the police force was not prepared for the protests to escalate, given the repeated and explicit threats by many of Trump’s supporters — as recently as Tuesday night — that they were prepared to use force if necessary to enter the Capitol...


Bexar County Sheriff’s lieutenant under investigation for possible role in deadly US Capitol riot
Lt. Roxanne Mathai on leave since Oct. 2020 due to unrelated incident
Dillon Collier and Joshua Saunders | January 7, 2021

SAN ANTONIO – A Bexar County Sheriff’s Office lieutenant is under investigation both criminally and administratively after posting multiple photographs on Facebook showing her near the U.S. Capitol Wednesday as a mob breached a police line and ultimately went inside the building during a deadly riot...

gen. 8, 6:37am

>64 davidgn: What seems weirder is the incompetence of his troops. Are those civilian militias all made up of those buffoons on camera?

Editat: gen. 8, 7:49am

Drudge Report


Thankfully, Drudge was one of the first to turn against
Trump late last year. He saw the monster that many
others still refuse to see.

gen. 8, 8:26am

How it is viewed in Kenya. An apt front page headline in today's Daily Nation:

Shame! Disgraced Trump finally yields to power of vote

And there's a sub-heading, From First World to Third World in Four Years

gen. 8, 9:05am

Retrievals resists (VT law student) @Retrievals1 | 1:03 AM · Jan 8, 2021:
Name them:
State Delegate Derrick Evans (WV)
Sen. Doug Mastriano (PA)
Rep. Terri Lynn Weaver (TN)
Assemblywoman Annie Black (NV)
Rep. Mark Finchem (AZ)
Sen. Amanda Chase (VA)
Also there:
Rep. David Eastman (AK)
Rep. Justin Hill (MO)


At least 6 GOP legislators took part in Trump-inspired protests
Reid Wilson - 01/07/21 01:15 PM EST

At least six Republican state legislators from across the nation participated in events surrounding the attempted insurrection at the United States Capitol on Wednesday.

News reports and social media posts showed at least one of the legislators, West Virginia Del. Derrick Evans (R), was among the violent mob that broke into the Capitol building. Evans, who was only recently sworn into office, posted a video of himself entering the building.

“We’re gong in,” he says in the video, in which he is wearing a helmet. He later deleted the post.

...Tennessee state Rep. Terri Lynn Weaver (R)

...Virginia state Sen. Amanda Chase (R)

...Missouri state Rep. Justin Hill (R) ...a former police officer

...Pennsylvania state Sen. Doug Mastriano (R)

...Michigan state Rep. Matt Maddock (R)

gen. 8, 9:46am

Texas woman flew on private jet to Washington, DC, to ‘storm the Capitol’
Elizabeth Rosner | January 8, 2021

A real estate broker from Frisco, Texas, flew on a private jet to Washington, DC, along with friends to “storm the Capitol” on Wednesday.

Jenna Ryan, who is also a radio host, flew from US Trinity Aviation in Denton, Texas, all they way to the nation’s Capitol — where she had “one of the best days of my life.”...

Editat: gen. 8, 9:59am

An apt throwback.
Donald Trump - America's African President | The Daily Show

Editat: gen. 8, 10:58am

Whatever you do today, please don't share the video below of the Trump crime family and his Chief of Staff gleefully partying from their secure bunker while the rioters they unleashed attack the symbol of our democracy. That would not be nice.

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- Ted @trom771 | 2:40 PM · Jan 7, 2021

Trump rebuffed initial requests to deploy the National Guard to the Capitol. Pence gave the go-ahead.
Maggie Haberman and Helene Cooper | Jan. 6, 2021, 8:31 p.m. ET

President Trump initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard to quell violent protests at the Capitol, according to a person with knowledge of the events.

In the end, it was Vice President Mike Pence...who approved the order to deploy...The mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone...

...Kash Patel, the chief of staff to Chris Miller, the acting defense secretary, responded: “The acting secretary and the president have spoken multiple times this week about the request for National Guard personnel in D.C. During these conversations, the president conveyed to the acting secretary that he should take any necessary steps to support civilian law enforcement requests in securing the Capitol and federal buildings.”

These Are the Rioters Who Stormed the Nation’s Capitol
Sabrina Tavernise and Matthew Rosenberg | Jan. 7, 2021. Updated Jan. 8, 2021, 9:43 a.m. ET

...they could not find Mr. Schumer’s office. He said they asked a Capitol Police officer, who tried to direct them...


Jim Bourg (Reuters photographer) @jimbourg | 10:01 AM · Jan 8, 2021:
I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and
execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor.
It was a common line being repeated.
Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.

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Andrew Feinberg @AndrewFeinberg | 7:47 AM · Jan 8, 2021:
There are multiple photographs of pro-Trump rioters carrying law enforcement-style flex-cuffs.
Rioters went looking for VP, @SpeakerPelosi, @SenSchumer.
It raises the question of whether there was an organized plan to take hostages.

gen. 8, 1:46pm

Estate of Late Singer Laura Branigan “Vehemently” Objects to Trump Family Partying to “Gloria” During Riots

Kathy Golik, Branigan’s Legacy Manager Tweeted: “No
permission to use “Gloria,” nor endorsement of him,
past or present, was granted to Pres. Trump on behalf
of Laura or her legacy management company, & we
strongly & vehemently DO NOT condone yesterday’s
events at the Capitol.”

gen. 8, 2:41pm

Pelosi says she spoke to nation’s top military leader about ensuring Trump doesn’t launch a nuclear attack
John Wagner and Colby Itkowitz | Jan. 8, 2021

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told colleagues in a letter* Friday that she has spoken to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, about keeping an “unstable president” from accessing the nuclear codes.


* Pelosi letter to Dem colleagues Jan 8, 2021--see 2nd page/photo:

...While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal, they cannot remove the president from the chain of command. That would be a military coup, these officials said...

Pelosi says the House will move to impeach Trump if he doesn’t resign ‘immediately.’
Nicholas Fandos and Luke Broadwater | Jan. 8, 2021


Christina Bobb (OAN) @christina_bobb | 12:29 PM · Jan 8, 2021:
Capitol police open doors for the protestors. They stand aside and invite them inside.
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gen. 8, 3:05pm

Breaking: the DOJ says it is not considering incitement charges against speakers at Wednesday’s rally, which included the president, said, “We don’t expect any charges of that nature.” The investigation is focused solely on criminal acts at the Capitol. Per @PeteWilliamsNBC

- Ayman Mohyeldin (MSNBC) @AymanM | 2:32 PM · Jan 8, 2021

gen. 8, 3:10pm

>76 margd: Fortunately, there is a turnover coming soon at the DOJ.

Editat: gen. 8, 6:59pm


HELLO! Thank You. What took you so long?

All the twitterati will see is a blank template when they go to his account. Trump, I'm sure, will migrate to Parler.

Company cites "Tweets from the @-real+Donald-Trumph account and the context around them. . .due to the risk of further incitement of violence," as their reason for doing so.

(Wouldn't you love to be the fly on the wall when the Orange Shitegibbon goes to open his account?)
Biden Correctly Replies

When asked if he would order the DOJ to go after the insurgents, charge, and prosecute them, he replied, "I will not tell the USAG (Merrick Garland) how to run his department. I will not instruct the Atty. General to do my bidding. I will let him do his job as he sees fit."
Citizen Investigators at Work

And they're damn good at the job, that in their thousands, they are working at: Identifying and reporting to law enforcement identities, workplaces, social media sites, and multi-media of the perps.

Internet detectives are identifying scores of pro-Trump rioters at the Capitol. Some have already been fired.

Arrests are coming thick and fast.

Sounds like the latest fun MultiPlayer Game has been created. And it's totally FREE to play! It's the new Covid-19 lockdown activity for the whole family. PG.

Editat: gen. 8, 11:05pm

Seditious REPUBLICAN Attorneys General Organized Coup Crowds, Sponsored Seditious Rally

Looking for a conspiracy to overthrow the government? Here it is. Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr called on supporters of President Donald Trump to march to the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday to “stop the steal” following a “Save America” rally that preceded the deadly riot in Washington. Robocalls
encouraged Trump supporters to go to the Capitol to demand that Congress block certification of the 2020 election, which Joe Biden won, including the results in Georgia.

“At 1 p.m., we will march to the Capitol building and call on Congress to stop the steal,” the robocall said. “We are hoping patriots like you will join us to continue to fight to protect the integrity of our elections.”

The call concludes, “This call is paid for and authorized by the Rule of Law Defense Fund.” (RLDF)
This is an organization of people whose oath is to their state's Constitution; they are not ignorant of the law; they are supposed to be it's primary advocates. But not this ORGANIZED right wing nest of vipers. Its a Republican machine that manufactures anti-democracy seditionists and probably traitors, and unleashes them on our democratic institutions to be the Barbarians at the Gates.
RDLF is the policy and fundraising arm of the Republican Attorneys General Association, a powerful advocacy group for GOP state attorneys general that Carr chairs. The RAGA works to coordinate conservative legal strategies at the state level, while the RLDF is charged with electing Republicans to the powerful state-level posts.
Beyond the phone calls, something beyond urging people to go to D. C., this.
. . .the RLDF was also listed as a sponsor of (Wednesday's) “Save America” rally, where the president instructed tens of thousands of supporters on the national mall to “stop the steal” of the November election.
The liberal investigative watchdog group Documented first reported the RLDF’s connection to Wednesday’s events.

The usual denials and refusal to answer questions pertaining to the robocalls were issued by the organizations and by Carr. They sounded eerily like the mass lie German civilians gave to Allied military interrogators when questioned about Nazi concentration camps where millions of Jews were enslaved, slaughtered, and incinerators, "I didn't know anything about what was going on there!"
Here's the story involving the ALabama state AG.
Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall, helped organize the march in Washington that turned into a riot and attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to Documented, an organization that describes itself as a watchdog group investigating corporate influence..

Check you state's papers to see if the story affects your justice department.

AJC EXCLUSIVE: Georgia attorney among those who broke into U.S. Capitol.
Calhoun, a practicing attorney in Americus for 30 years, admitted his participation in the riot in an exclusive interview with the AJC in which he described the mob as patriotic and heroic.

gen. 8, 7:46pm

Another great thread , great links thanks.

gen. 8, 9:07pm

>79 Limelite: Thanks for reading.

Banned Baby-in-Chief Tries to Get Around Twitter

On the heels of Trump's kick in the b^tt by Zuck, 88 million of his brain addled followers joined in singing a chorus of, "Waahh, Waahh, Waahh."

Conservatives whined about their "new dystopian future," but Trump simply used a different account to complain about the company.
He posted four tweets in a thread, but all were deleted within 10 minutes as this story was being written.
Pardon me if I giggle out loud.

gen. 8, 9:19pm

Interesting... When President Trump blocked the most baboonish of Twitter trolls from his account, Demonrat judges ruled he could not do that because "blocking users from following it is a violation of their First Amendment rights".

When the same standard was applied to the traitor AOC, the lumpencommentariat rioted (I could have sworn there was a thread about this on Librarything, but I can't find it anymore, so either it's been binned or I'm confusing it with another site).

And now of course the demonrat Dorsey blocks everyone from following the same account and it's apparently not a violation of everyone's so-precious "First Amendment rights"...

It's almost like Demonrats are thoroughly unprincipled.

gen. 8, 9:26pm

>82 Kuiperdolin: Speaking of thoroughly unprincipled, have you thought of a way to support your completely unhinged assertion in >14 Kuiperdolin: yet?

Editat: gen. 8, 9:35pm

Impeachment starts Monday. At least three days too late. Hold your hats over the weekend.

And sadly, looks like the new Georgia senators will not be seated in time.

gen. 8, 9:40pm

Professional Devil's Advocate Will Defend Trump If 'Impeachment II'

It might be a little different this time, should Pelosi's Articles pass the House. These are criminal charges being brought against the president.

Daniel Lippman
SCOOP: With House Dems potentially impeaching Trump again, Alan Dershowitz told me that it would be his “honor and privilege” to take on his legal defense. He also said that Trump’s encouragement of the riots was “constitutionally protected” speech.

gen. 8, 9:43pm

>85 Limelite: Ah ha ha ha Alan Dershowitz.

Another Friend of Epstein - do they have some sort of pact to come to each others' aid, or something?

gen. 8, 10:03pm

>86 kiparsky:

The Boys will be Boiz pact?
McConnell Readies Senate for Impeachment II

As only he can. Outgoing Sen. Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell circulated a memo to senators on how he will proceed should House forward Articles of Impeachment. Any reader can see he's confident in using the calendar and probably his own vote, if need be, to let the question of a trial become moot and die of lack of time, giving his caucus the basin in which to wash their hands of having to rightly "crucify" the Orange Shitegibbon.

Watching what happens in the Senate when Republicans are in the minority, and divided into Trumpian and non-Trumpian camps that will be impossible for him to unify and control should provide true lovers of democracy with a modicum of satisfaction after 8 years of surviving the 'Grim Reaper's' legislation killing.

Editat: gen. 9, 4:08am

Horrific to watch. Can't ever forget the people who have suffered because of Trump--COVIDs, soldiers, Kurds, kids in cages, et al., and now, law enforcement...

Josh Campbell (CNN) @joshscampbell | 10:38 PM · Jan 8, 2021
This is what the pro-Trump mob did to American law enforcement officers after the President incited a deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol

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(warning, graphic video)


photo of poor fellow being crushed in a door ( )

gen. 9, 10:09am


Tim Hogan @timjhogan | 4:32 PM · Jan 8, 2021:
I’ve watched this clip 100 times and I still can’t believe it
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gen. 10, 5:38am

For Donald Trump, what began as farce is ending as tragedy (Guardian)

The best traditions of this country were built on self-restraint. To defend the constitution, the duty so frequently invoked in every crisis, means to honor a code of law that constrains law – respecting religion, speech, the press, peaceable assembly...

At present, we are being reminded that our system depends on the willingness of half, often more than half, of the electorate to accept the legitimacy of a government they did not choose... Democratic citizenship may be an art we are forgetting how to practice, and Trump, in his furious impatience with boundaries invisible to him, with customs and norms he can never understand, may offer a glimpse of our future...

gen. 10, 6:47am

Mary Trump: ‘My uncle is unstable. He needs to be removed immediately’
The niece of the US president fears he could wreak more damage to democracy

Two weeks before the election, Mary Trump described her uncle Donald’s campaign to me in stark terms: “He knows he’s in desperate shape, so he’s going to burn it all down, sow more chaos and division…and if he’s going down, he’s going to take us all down with him.” In the Observer’s Biden/Harris victory edition, as she considered the loser’s remaining weeks in office, her tone was still edgy. “I worry about what Donald’s going to do in that time to lash out.”

The storming of the Capitol still shocked her. “What struck me first was how degrading it was. That amount of desecration. The tawdriness of it. Tawdriness is who Donald is, but playing out in the halls of Congress.” She describes the people vandalising offices, carrying Confederate flags, wearing Camp Auschwitz T-shirts – and yet Trump’s message to them was how much they were loved.

“It was the last four years in real time, distilled to its very essence, proving how much the very worst people among us have been so enabled and emboldened. It hit me later that the next people in line for the presidency were in the same room, and how unfathomably dangerous that was.”

The ramifications need addressing now, she says. “This is not a time to deliberate. It’s time to act quickly.” She believes the 25th amendment should be invoked, not that she thinks it will be by Mike Pence (“because he’s the biggest coward on the planet”). Cabinet members resigning this week are not doing so because they “cared about what happened on Wednesday” either, she thinks, but because they’re trying to avoid the political fallout.
The instability of her uncle right now remains the most pressing issue. “Remember: this is the man who tried to invalidate mail-in ballots in the middle of a pandemic. This is the man who forced resignations of high-level officers in the Pentagon, replacing them with sycophants. This is why, for six hours on Wednesday, the Pentagon blocked the National Guard from containing an insurrectionist mob. Our system failed miserably because this man’s been allowed to dismantle every institution this country counts on.”

And it’s not that her uncle believes he won legitimately, she argues. “He’s never had a legitimate win in his life. All that matters is getting the win, no matter if there’s an asterisk next to it.”

With this in mind, we shouldn’t underestimate him. “In less than two weeks, he won’t have the Oval Office to protect him from lawsuits, bankruptcies and criminal indictments. I don’t know what he’s going to do, but we need to understand he’s capable of doing anything. And the clock is ticking.”

gen. 10, 3:09pm

Republicans Blame Biden for Insurrection

Republicans believe president-elect Biden is more responsible than Trump for the assault on the Capitol building. The GOP is a Dead Elephant whose rotting corpse is stinking up American politics. People know the truth; they know who was on social media organizing this mess; they know who was on the Mall inciting the riot; they know who turned on his VP for not stealing the ECVs; and they saw with their own eyes the violence unfold by confirmed mass of (some) armed Trump "supporters" that resulted in death, including one suicide by a USCP reported today.

But they choose to believe what makes them feel good.

gen. 10, 4:22pm

PGA will strip Trump Bedminster of 2022 PGA Championship, insider says
Kevin Manahan | 1/10/2021

The PGA of America will strip Donald Trump of the 2022 PGA Championship, which is scheduled to be held at Trump National Bedminster golf club in New Jersey.

In a blistering column that says the golf world must sever all ties with Trump, Golfweek’s Eamon Lynch said the PGA has been debating for two years the need to move the major championship and, once Trump is out of office, will announce the tournament will be played elsewhere...

gen. 10, 4:43pm

Don Winslow donwinslow | 10:40 AM · Jan 10, 2021:

NEW! #AnatomyofCapitolAttack TURN SOUND ON!
I submit this video as evidence in the Impeachment of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump engaged in "violent, deadly and seditious acts"
which betrayed his trust as President and endangered the security of the United States.

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gen. 10, 4:52pm

>94 margd: Oh NO! The golf world turns away?! Woe is Trump!

Editat: gen. 10, 6:37pm

Rex Chapman @RexChapman | 3:20 PM · Jan 10, 2021
Sickening video.
It appears some Capitol Police simply didn’t give a single sh*t.
Chatting. Taking photos. Hard to watch.
An inside job...

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From Icculus The Brave

Christopher J. Hale @chrisjollyhale | 12:45 PM · Jan 10, 2021:
Officer Eugene Goodman stopped a mob of white rioters from entering the chambers of the United States Senate.
At this perilous moment in our nation’s history, he was the one person standing between democracy and the rule of tyrants.

(Photo Credit: New York Times)
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Rex Chapman @RexChapman | 2:15 PM · Jan 10, 2021:
This video shows Donald Trump supporters dragging a police officer down the steps and savagely beating him.
Dozens of people appear to be involved. Horrifying.
Trump, Cruz, Hawley, Don Jr, and Rudy need to be arrested.
This is Donald Trump’s America.

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From Jared Pushner

Don Winslow donwinslow | 1:43 PM · Jan 10, 2021:
The second Capitol Police officer who died was a suicide.
I posted this much earlier today and deleted it.
I have more detail but want to wait.


FC Barcelona @2Buddy | 1:56 PM · Jan 10, 2021:
...Before his death, Officer Sicknick was reportedly knocked unconscious with a fire extinguisher.
While down, the crowd continued to hit him.
Some, with American flags.
Don’t speak the word “unity” without full accountability.

Image-photo of beating ( )

gen. 10, 5:00pm

Washington State:

At the same time the Capitol came under siege, State houses & Gov officials across the country were also being threatened.
This is footage of terrorists trespassing outside of Gov Inslee’s mansion WHILE HE WAS INSIDE:

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From Pattern Integrity Films

- Pattern Integrity Films @pttrn_ntgrty | 3:03 PM · Jan 10, 2021

gen. 10, 5:03pm

>96 2wonderY: Golf, Twitter--we thought he was crazy before! I heard he is scheduling at trip Alamo--what will his followers do?

gen. 10, 6:17pm

Ray REDACTED @RayRedacted
People who broke into the Capitol Wednesday are now learning they are on No-Fly lists pending the full investigation.
They are not happy about this.

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From General of Antifa

gen. 10, 6:33pm

Latest Poll: 56% Americans Want Trump Out NOW

ABC News/Ipsos poll released on Sunday. The majority (56%) say Trump should be removed from office, while just 43% believe he should not be removed. The poll shows increasing sentiment among Americans that Trump has got to go ASAP growing since the insurrection Wednesday.
An average across polls since Wednesday (in which no pollster is counted more than once) shows that 50% of Americans want Trump to either be impeached, for the 25th Amendment to be invoked or for Trump to resign from office. The minority (43%) say that none of these should occur.
The fact that so many Americans want Trump out of office is, indeed, historically unprecedented this early in the process.
The percentage of Americans who wanted Bill Clinton impeached after his affair with Monica Lewinsky never climbed higher than 40%.
Likewise, the percentage of Americans who thought Richard Nixon should be removed or should resign from office was at about 40% when the House voted to formally start an impeachment inquiry in February 1974.

gen. 10, 6:39pm

Igor Bobic @igorbobic
Looking again at the video I took of the mob storming the Senate, there’s a moment when the lead rioter looks right for a second, before continuing to follow the officer left, away from the immediate entrance to the Senate. This happened at 2:14.

He blocked the hallway then pushed him away from the hallway because he knew that guy would follow him wherever he went. So he led them away from the hallway. Smart
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The officer initially scopes out the door, sees it's not guarded, and tries to block the way. More rioters pour up the stairs after them, and the officer seems to go with a new strategy – he shoves the first rioter, pissing him off, and then leads the whole mob the other way.

gen. 10, 9:09pm

>102 margd: I saw that video. To think that clearly in the face of a mob chasing him down was remarkable.

Editat: gen. 11, 7:10am

Rumor has it that Apple is pushing an iOS update tonight to disable the Emergency Alert System function so that Trump can't use it for direct mass communications. This is already being widely shared in wingnut circles (though that is not my only source), so little is lost by sharing it here. Cannot verify rumor, but those affected may wish to make an informed decision on whether to accept this software update -- with the countervailing consideration that it may or may not (also?) contain time-sensitive security patches.


ETA: And just to reiterate: this is an UNVERIFIED RUMOR and, after a little digging, it seems to have originated with Lin Wood. But one worth being aware of.

ETA: Fog of war conditions, naturally, but seems to be debunked.

The question remains: why spread this particular rumor?

ETA: I may have an answer. May be as simple as that it dovetails with Lin Wood's previous bum prediction hours earlier of a (presumably nationwide) power cut earlier which would cause Trump to activate said Emergency Alert System. I have been unable to nail down an alternate provenance, so safe to say this is can be classified under Lin Wood psyop.

Editat: gen. 11, 5:51am

An account worth following:
I look at Parler so you don’t have to.
-The Parlermentarian"

As Parler comes to an end, just know that there are many more free speech apps and sites MAGAs are fleeing to. I’ve identified 19 of them. This isn’t the end. ✊
2:03 AM · Jan 11, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

gen. 11, 9:40am

Republican AGs' dark money support group sent robocalls "urging supporters to come to D.C. to "fight" Congress"...
Question the guy who increased Parks permit for gathering from 5,000 to 30,000!

Republican AGs group sent robocalls urging protesters to the Capitol. GOP officials now insist they didn't know about it.
Andrea Salcedo | January 11, 2021

Editat: gen. 11, 10:56am

>105 davidgn: Parler has been completely owned, from stem to stern. Virtually all data and metadata captured. This country owes a major debt of gratitude to a young hacker heroine from Vienna.

Every Deleted Parler Post, Many With Users' Location Data, Has Been Archived


gen. 11, 10:59am
Online Finance Company Stripe Announces They Will No Longer Process Payments For Trump Campaign Website

When the money dries up, it will all be over!

Editat: gen. 11, 2:39pm

New: @FBI now reports in a bulletin "Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January,” @AaronKatersky (ABC) reports.

- Josh Margolin (ABC) @JoshMargolin | 11:46 AM · Jan 11, 2021

Michigan commission votes to ban open carry of guns from Capitol building
Concealed carry firearms still allowed inside Capitol building
Rod Meloni, Reporter | January 11, 2021

The Michigan State Capitol Commission unanimously voted Monday to ban the open carry of guns from inside the Michigan Capitol, effective immediately. (6-0, last time was 3-3)

The commission, which is responsible for overseeing the Capitol, voted 6-0 in favor of banning firearms from inside the Lansing Capitol building. Concealed carry guns are still allowed....(In Michigan, concealed carry permits are banned in other places like schools, sports arenas, bars and hospitals.)...

gen. 11, 7:19pm

Beware, Be Aware!

Insurrection as an outgrowth of subversion?

While the above entry can be frightening because of its pertinence to last week's violence and current threats of more to come, we mustn't turn away from it, particularly when we consider how successful these "grassroots Trump supporters" were and how the QAnon disinformation group so swiftly gained traction with them. As details unfold, the evidence mounts that cops, military (both active and former) and some of the most off-the wall (nutso) politicians participated in the violence as if it was within their Constitutional rights.

It's not believable that the rioters worked themselves into such a rage over "not being heard" -- come on. White people not being heard? It is believable to me in light of Trump's idolization of tyrants and dictators, combined with racism, that one, if not a few of his pals have helped him with this rather sophisticated ramping up of a personal tantrum over having lost an election that he was aware of being his probable fate for at least a year.

A man with Trump's history of failure at everything he attempts came too damn close to success for me to buy that he, and he alone, "fixed" this insurrection.

A strong odor of fish is issuing from at least one country overseas. But it's not Denmark.

One wonders. . .

gen. 11, 10:42pm

>110 Limelite: It's not believable that the rioters worked themselves into such a rage over "not being heard"

I think they're conflating "not being heard" with "being heard, but after robust debate in a pluralistic democratic society, finding that their extremist viewpoint is not accepted by a majority of the population", nor indeed by the Constitution.

gen. 11, 10:50pm

>111 John5918: Especially since they'd been 'heard' for the last four years, so the rage comes from being told 'NO'. In other words, a temper tantrum.

gen. 11, 11:42pm

Seth Meyers is on point tonight.

gen. 12, 3:45am

2 Capitol Police officers suspended and at least 10 more under investigation for alleged roles in riot
Peter Nickeas, Annie Grayer and Ryan Nobles | January 11, 2021
Officer appears to pose for selfie with rioter

(CNN) Two US Capitol Police officers were suspended and at least 10 more are under investigation for their behavior during last week's assault on the Capitol, and federal agents will look at whether current and former law enforcement officers played a role in the riot.

One of the Capitol police officers took a selfie with someone who was part of the mob that overtook the Capitol and the other wore a "Make America Great Again" hat and started directing people around the building, according to Rep. Tim Ryan, an Ohio Democrat. He didn't disclose how many other officers were under investigation but confirmed it was between 10 and 15, and didn't say what they were being scrutinized for except that it was their behavior during the riot.

...Capitol Police acting Chief Yogananda Pittman said the department "has been actively reviewing video and other open source materials of some USCP officers and officials that appear to be in violation of Department regulations and policies. Our Office of Professional Responsibility will investigate these behaviors for disciplinary action, up to, and including, termination. Several USCP officers have already been suspended pending the outcome of their investigations."

The federal...investigation into insurrectionist ties to law enforcement is a priority because the skills that officers are trained to use during their duties could be useful to an extremist mob, authorities say. This includes clearing rooms, taking custody of people, securing areas and handling firearms.

Democratic members of the House have also raised questions about potential sympathies for the attackers among the ranks of US Capitol Police...House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, a South Carolina...whether some Capitol Police officers aided the protesters and were complicit in Wednesday's insurrection...fishy that the rioters knew the location of lawmakers' offices. (His private office is unmarked, not on map.) appearing to show police letting protesters into the building was later found to have been taken an hour after the Capitol had been breached...selfies..

...One officer in New York, one in Philadelphia, two in Seattle, two in Virginia and one in Texas are under investigation by their departments for potential rules violations (their presence in Washington during the assault). Additionally, some departments have been contacted by the FBI as part of their criminal investigation into the overrunning of the Capitol...

gen. 12, 4:10am

Patriots’ Coach Belichick to Decline Presidential Award
Ken Belson | Jan. 11, 2021

President Trump had planned to give Belichick the Presidential Medal of Freedom (Thursday), but the coach cited the violence at the Capitol last week in a statement (Monday) announcing that he would not receive (accept) it...

gen. 12, 8:15am

>116 Kuiperdolin:

It doesn't matter whether the murdered police officer was a Trump supporter or not. The important fact is that he was doing his sworn duty, impartially, regardless of his political affiliation. In the same way, many Trump supporters who were election officials or judges have done their duty in certifying the election results. It's sad that so many elected Republicans in Congress apparently feel less duty bound.

Editat: gen. 12, 11:02am

>116 Kuiperdolin: Democratic leaders have presented Sicknick as a martyr of the #Resistance against President Trump and his dangerous supporters.

This is utter bullshit - bullshit on stilts. They have presented Sicknick as a police officer who died at the hands of a mob attacking the building he was assigned to defend, and that is true. Democratic and Republican leaders alike have issued statements honoring him which do not mention his political affiliations because his affiliations are not relevant to the matter at hand: he died in defense of his country, and some of us honor that.

I love the way the Post tries to do clever. Obviously, if Pelosi or Schumer had mentioned Sicknick's political affiliations, the Post's article would have been about how they "politicized a dead cop". They didn't so they're going with the Democrats "silencing" him.

This is why the Post is a shit paper for shit people. I don't know why you're reading it.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi described Sicknick’s death as a reminder of the need to “protect our country from all threats, foreign and domestic.” President-elect Joe Biden suggested that whoever backed Trump supports “an all-out assault on our institutions of our democracy.” The day’s violence, it seems, has become an all-purpose excuse to denounce and ­silence anyone not sufficiently anti-Trump.

For patriotic Americans, the riot instigated by Trump and his craven lickspittle toadies (when is Cruz going to grow a pair and resign, anyway?) is the final straw in the long attack on our democracy. Even Republicans who went along to get along have realized that attacking our country - literally, attacking the seat of our government - is going way past too far. Given that Trump literally incited a mob to attack America, I think that patriotic Americans have now realized that you have to choose between being an American and being a Trump supporter.
So yes, anyone who is not anti-Trump at this point is going to get called out as objectively anti-American. But since the rioters hate America and attacked our government, and they're bragging about it, you can hardly call it "denouncing". It's not "denouncing" someone to simply point out that they did what they're bragging about having done.
They're traitors and they're proud of it. What's wrong with the rest of us pointing out that they're a bunch of fucking traitors?

(oh, and while we're here, have you found any support for your claims in >14 Kuiperdolin:? Still curious)

gen. 12, 10:19am

Emilie Munson
BREAKING: Harvard's Institute of Politics asked @RepStefanik
to leave its advisory committee bc she "made public assertions about voter fraud in November’s presidential election that have no basis in evidence." Stefanik declined to step down. Harvard will now remove her.
10:05 AM · Jan 12, 2021

gen. 12, 10:52am

Lest there be doubt...

Yes, It Was a Coup. Here’s Why.
What Trump tried is called a “self-coup,” and he did it in slow motion and in plain sight.

gen. 12, 11:02am

>120 davidgn:. That’s written by career diplomat, Fiona Hill. Great step by step analysis.

gen. 12, 5:22pm

McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge Trump from the G.O.P.
Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman | Jan. 12, 2021

Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.

At the same time, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader and one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast allies in Congress, has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, according to three Republican officials briefed on the conversations.

While Mr. McCarthy has said he is personally opposed to impeachment, he and other party leaders have decided not to formally lobby Republicans to vote “no,” and an aide to Mr. McCarthy said he was open to a measure censuring Mr. Trump for his conduct. In private, Mr. McCarthy reached out to a leading House Democrat to see if the chamber would be willing to pursue a censure vote, though Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ruled it out...

Editat: gen. 13, 10:51am

BREAKING: Rep. Mikie Sherrill (D-NJ), a Navy veteran and Annapolis grad who sits on the House Armed Services Committee,
said she saw fellow members of Congress
"who had groups coming through the Capitol that I saw on Jan. 5, a reconnaissance for the next day."

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- John Kruzel (The Hill) @johnkruzel | 10:37 PM · Jan 12, 2021

Jackie Kucinich (The Daily Beast) @JFKucinich | 10:25 AM · Jan 13, 2021:

"For Jan. 6, Alexander claimed in a video, he had some organizing assistance from pro-Trump Reps. Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), and Mo Brooks (R-AL)." that thing when everyone is posting a story @willsommer wrote Monday

‘Stop the Steal’ Organizer in Hiding After Denying Blame for Riot
On Sunday night, Twitter banned Ali Alexander’s personal account and an account for “Stop the Steal.”

gen. 13, 2:48am

Walmart, Disney suspend contributions to U.S. lawmakers who opposed Biden certification
Jessica DiNapoli, David Shepardson | January 12, 2021

NEW YORK/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Walmart Inc, the world’s biggest retailer and Walt Disney Co joined other major companies in indefinitely suspending donations to U.S. lawmakers who voted against President-elect Joe Biden’s election certification...
AT&T Inc, Inc and Mastercard Inc announced similar moves in the past several days.

General Motors Co said on Tuesday it had paused all political contributions after the Capitol events.

It joined other firms such as JPMorgan Chase & Co, Alphabet Inc’s Google and Union Pacific Corp in withholding contributions from all members of Congress, rather than targeting those who opposed Biden’s certification.

gen. 13, 11:03am

David Fahrenthold (WaPo) @Fahrenthold | 9:31 AM · Jan 13, 2021:

An updated tally of what Trump Org has lost:
--3 of its banks
--2 of its real-estate brokers
--Its online store
--Its PGA Championship
--Its shot at the British Open
--Both of its ice rinks*
--a golf course*
--a carousel*

Live updates: House poised to impeach Trump for ‘incitement of insurrection’
By the end of the day, Trump is expected to become the first president in U.S. history to have been impeachment twice. The timing of a trial in the Senate remains unclear.


* ...“I’m here to announce that the city of New York is severing all contracts with the Trump Organization,” de Blasio said in an interview on MSNBC. De Blasio said the Trump Organization earns about $17 million a year in profits from its contracts to run two ice skating rinks and a carousel in Central Park as well as a golf course in the Bronx...

gen. 13, 11:46am

AOC describes 'traumatizing' encounter during Capitol attack, condemns Republicans in furious IG Live
Caitlin Welsh | 1/13/2021

...The chief of staff for Rep. Ayanna Pressley — along with AOC, a member of "the Squad" of congresswomen of color — said that in the congresswoman's office during the attack they found all its panic buttons had been "torn out." ...

gen. 13, 10:38pm

>127 Kuiperdolin:

I don't understand the relevance of your link. But no, it wasn't me, I'm not a white van man. I drive a green Land Rover.

gen. 14, 9:51am

>124 margd: contd.

JUST IN: Nike says it will not support lawmakers who “voted to decertify the Electoral College results”

- Ana Cabrera (CNN) @AnaCabrera | 1:17 PM · Jan 13, 2021

gen. 14, 9:59am

Drew Harwell (WaPo) @drewharwell | 2:22 PM · Jan 13, 2021
Very telling video of rioters outside the Capitol shouting at police:
"We were invited here. We were invited by the president of the United States"

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gen. 14, 10:09am

Off-duty cops, other officials face reckoning after rallying for Trump in D.C
Linda So, Andrea Januta, Mike Berens | Jan 13, 2020

...From off-duty police to firefighters, state lawmakers, teachers, municipal workers and at least one active-duty military officer, dozens of public servants from across the United States joined the protests in Washington that turned into a siege on the U.S. Capitol. The mob’s violent effort aimed to block Congress’ certification of Joe Biden’s election as president.

Since returning home, many have confronted harsh criticism from angry constituents or employers - often because of their own posts on social media.

At least 50 elected officials and others in public sector jobs are facing internal inquiries or investigations that, in some cases, have resulted in temporary suspensions pending investigations, based on a Reuters examination of public statements, news reports and video footage.

At least two Capitol police officers have been suspended and more than a dozen others are under investigation for alleged dereliction of duty or aiding or abetting rioters.

For some public employees caught on video or social media rioting inside the Capitol, the consequences have been swift, including arrests and job termination. Two off-duty police officers from Virginia faced criminal charges Wednesday after posting a picture of themselves on Jan. 6 in front of the Capitol’s statue of John Stark and bragging about their behavior, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in the District of Columbia.

Many other people, whether inside or outside the building, face a mix of hard scrutiny, investigations, job suspensions and public outcry. Their employers are grappling with whether they violated policies, whether they should be censured or fired and whether their free speech rights were superseded by their duty to serve the public good.

Some of those who faced backlash did not attend the Washington, D.C., rally where Trump gave an hour-long speech reiterating his baseless claims of voter fraud - but they did offer public support. Some said they were exercising their right to free speech and assembly under the U.S. Constitution.

...If government workers are at a protest and not acting in an official capacity or engaging in criminal activity, then the government is limited by the First Amendment in its response in ways that private sector employers are not, Snyder said. But determining if an employee is in an official capacity can sometimes be hard to answer...

gen. 14, 10:36am

What happened to the part of the story that revealed funding of the rally by Republican AG organization?

gen. 14, 10:46am

>132 2wonderY: I suspect there will be investigations (Special Counsel? Commission?) and books. Here's where Republican AG story stands now:

Republican AG Group’s Shakeup Follows D.C. Rally-Turned-Riot
Erik Larson | January 11, 2021

The executive director of the Republican Attorneys General Association is stepping down following reports that an offshoot of the group helped organize the Jan. 6 rally of President Donald Trump supporters that turned into a deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

RAGA Executive Director Adam Piper’s departure was announced by the organization in a statement Monday that didn’t give an explanation. Piper had also worked for RAGA’s policy group, the Rule of Law Defense Fund, which was listed on a now-deleted web page as a participant in the “March to Save America” gathering in Washington.

...(RAGA’s chairman, Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr) has rejected Trump’s election-fraud claims, which the president and other speakers at the Jan. 6 event used to whip the crowd into a frenzy before they marched on the Capitol.

Piper had said in a Jan. 8 statement that the Rule of Law Defense Fund didn’t have authorization to be involved with the massive protest, which the organization promoted with robocalls encouraging attendance. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a prominent booster of Trump’s bogus election-fraud claims, spoke at the rally.

Carr and Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall, who leads the Rule of Law Defense Fund, which promotes federalism, said Jan. 8 that no one in leadership had signed off on participation in the rally, and that neither RAGA nor its offshoot had any involvement in the event. The group’s link to the event was first reported on Jan. 7 by the watchdog group Documented, which tracks the influence of corporate money.

“The issue here was more than the robocall, and I hope what follows is a move to accountability for actions outside the bounds and for greater civility among state attorneys general,” Sean Rankin, executive director of the Democratic Attorneys General Association, which heavily criticized RAGA’s link to the rally, said in a statement on Tuesday.

Editat: gen. 14, 12:48pm

>132 2wonderY:

It got upstaged by Alex Jones who claimed he paid for it.

Not fake news. But true? That's a different question.

Editat: gen. 14, 12:40pm

Trump's Pilots His 'Flight 93' Presidency into the Ground

Remember the infamous 2016 essay by 'Publius Decius Mus', aka, right wing nut Michael Anton, that fear-mongered the conspiracy crowd with such (ahem) well reasoned statements as,
2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die. . .

. . .if you don’t try, death is certain. To compound the metaphor: a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian Roulette with a semi-auto. With Trump, at least you can spin the cylinder and take your chances.

Now there's an answer to it, written by another conservative who avoided becoming a right wing nut job by writing this essay. National Review editor Rich Lowry was a "Never Trump" conservative during the 2016 election, although he gradually warmed to the president and supported his re-election in 2020.
The Flight 93 Election” became a signature statement of Trumpism. . .
Anton wrote as if the end of the republic were upon us, and there’s nothing like a rabble storming a citadel of American democracy—assaulting police officers, ransacking the place and disrupting a constitutional procedure—to shake confidence in the stability of our system.

Of course, it was the man Anton believed could be our savior who whipped up and urged on this crowd. The mob didn’t charge the cockpit metaphorically, but charged the Capitol literally. . .
Make no mistake: A Flight 93 mentality led to the January 6 presidency, now defined not by any of the good it accomplished over the past four years but by a hideous act of extremism in its desperate, spittle-flecked final days.
The typical illogical hyperbole of a wing nut went off the flight plan and disappeared from the controllers' radar. Why? Because Trump's 'Flight 93' presidency wasn't, not even for a moment, piloted by any hero. It was piloted by a traitor, determined to plow it into the ground.

gen. 14, 12:43pm

>134 Limelite: Ah, Jones. The inadvertent indie folk song writer.

gen. 14, 12:54pm

>136 davidgn:


I watched 15 secs. Too funny, but I don't wanna see any more!

Reminds me of Trump's 'spiritual advisors' and a lot of evangelical whack jobs, who believe they can raise the dead. But don't believe Joe Biden won the presidency.

Editat: gen. 14, 4:13pm

On a Lighter Note. . .Poor Rudy-Tooty

Traitor Trump stiffs another loyalist and refuses to pay his personal lawyer for all the kabuki he performed during his touring clown show in the weeks after Trump LOST the election. Wonder why I wonder if the Orange Shitegibbon really doesn't have the money to pony up, and knows he'll face more charges if he tries to pay a personal retainer out of campaign funds, or from donations intended for a 2024 possible campaign. I doubt Trump left enough simoleons in the till belonging to the "Stop the Steal PAC." Besides that, he reportedly refused to bank his salary as president. So, no funds there.

Maybe he can get a loan from Jared in true quid pro quo fashion for having pardoned the brat's felonious father.

Whatever. Rudy's only recourse is, I suppose, to sue the blackguard! S'pose he's still interested in defending the Traitor-in-Chief in his impeachment trial? (Get the money ahead of time, Rudy.)

gen. 15, 5:20am

>128 John5918: You don't see the relevance of your bringing up the (alleged) ideology of a muderer's victim and her opportunistic relatives, then dismissing it when a victim's ideology turns out to be righteous?

gen. 15, 5:50am

>139 Kuiperdolin:

I don't see the relevance to this conversation, no. A police officer did his duty. Let's be thankful for that. He was murdered in the course of duty. Let's mourn him, and may the criminals be arrested and tried. The political persuasion of the police officer is irrelevant, except perhaps to demonstrate that people who hold a particular political viewpoint can still act impartially and correctly in the course of their sworn duty.

gen. 15, 6:56pm

Other entities wanting to sever ties to Trump are Palm Beach County (Trump leases land from them for his golf course) and the Girl Scouts, who want to quit their lease in the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street.

My question is why are the Girl Scouts renting such expensive office space in the first place? That’s a lot of cookies!!

gen. 16, 11:17pm

If Trump looks like a fascist and acts like a fascist, then maybe he is one (Guardian)

The F-word is one we are rightly wary of using, but how else to describe the disgraced president?...

gen. 17, 7:41pm

Evidence Trump Campaign Behind Insurrection

. . .the National Park Service public gathering permit granted to the group lists more than half a dozen people in staff positions for the event who just weeks earlier had been paid thousands of dollars by Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign. One of those applicants is former Trump aide, Mick Mulvaney's niece, Maggie Mulvaney. She is listed as the VIP Lead on the permit that Women for America First requested for the Trump rally. She "worked as director of finance operations for the Trump campaign." Latest pay records show that she was paid as a campaign worker through at least Nov. 13.
Other staff scheduled to be “on site” during the demonstration have close ties to the White House.

Since the siege, several of them have scrambled to distance themselves from the rally.
In a statement, the president’s reelection campaign said it “did not organize, operate or finance the event.” No campaign staff members were involved in the organization or operation of the rally, according to the statement. It said that if any former employees or independent contractors for the campaign took part, “they did not do so at the direction of the Trump campaign.”
Does that sound like plausible deniability to you? How about this?
Megan Powers was listed as one of two operations managers for the Jan. 6 event, and her LinkedIn profile says she was the Trump campaign’s director of operations into January 2021.
Pretty meager distance scrambled in that statement. If "distancing" means covering up, then I'm a buyer.
. . .at least three of the Trump campaign aides named on the permit rushed to obscure their connections to the demonstration. They deactivated or locked down their social media profiles and removed tweets that referenced the rally. Two blocked a reporter who asked questions.
At least one was caught with her slip down.
Caroline Wren, a veteran GOP fundraiser, is named as a “VIP Advisor” on an attachment to the permit that Women for America First provided to the agency. Between mid-March and mid-November, Donald J. Trump for President Inc. paid Wren $20,000 a month, according to Federal Election Commission records. During the campaign, she was a national finance consultant for Trump Victory, a joint fundraising committee between the president’s reelection campaign and the Republican National Committee.

Wren retweeted messages about the event ahead of time, but a cache of her account on Google shows at least eight of those tweets disappeared. . .One of the messages Wren retweeted was from “Stop the Steal". . .

(Wren) locked her Twitter account after the AP reached out to her last Monday to ask her about her involvement in the Trump rally and the tweets she had removed. Several days later, she blocked the AP reporter.
Why do I think this is just another illegal money laundering operation to fund quasi legal and illegal activities that Trump wants to engage in? Because Women for America First is crawling with Tea Party activists, Trump campaign workers, and campaign finance staffers.

And because the IRS was involved in the scheme in a way familiar to those of us who have closely followed Trump's shady financial dealings since before he was elected. Because why would an organization first established in October 2019 suddenly decide to change its activist non-tax-exempt status to tax exempt just last year? So it could operate as a pro-Trump dark money source for questionable Trump projects using money from donors who would not be limited in their "donations" and could take advantage of its tax-exempt status themselves after doing so.
The IRS granted Women for America First tax-exempt status as a social welfare organization a year ago, with the exemption retroactive to February 2019. The AP requested that the group provide any tax records it may have filed since then, but received no response.
Remember that in Feb. 2019, El Paso sued Trump for the half-million dollars he'd stiffed the city and just two months before he had been forced to pay $2M for the money he'd illegally siphoned from the Trump Charities.

What better way to come up with the dough than to create a second "charitable" money laundering arrangement just like the one he had the first time? Zebra. Unchanged stripes. Besides, left-over change could be used for "unforeseen expenses" between then and his assured reelection. Can't indict a sitting president, you know.

Turns out, financing an incitement rally to wind up his civilian army of insurgents was just such an "unforeseen expense." No doubt, Wren's solicitation phone calls hinted at what donors sought after funds were really going for in a hush-hush euphemistic way. No doubt the money poured in, like it poured in from grassroots small donors to the "Stop the Steal" PAC, the so-called "Election Defense Fund.” Of course, we now know all donations under $8000 didn't go where the donors might have been led to believe they were going. Instead, according to the RNC, such donations went straight into Trump's pocket.

I'm convinced that, like the zebra, the leopard is still covered in the same old, same old spots with his Mall Rant and Rally laundering scheme. And that proves that Trump is a traitor who bought and paid for a war on one of the other branches of our Federal government -- the one that, once it certifies the ECVs, puts the nails in his months-long attempt to Actually Steal the Election.

What's the punishment for treason, sedition, and making war on the United States of America when the perp is the sitting president?

gen. 18, 5:34am

Trump's finest:

A Reporter’s Footage from Inside the Capitol Siege (12:32)
Luke Mogelson, The New Yorker | January 17, 2021

Sawyer Hackett (Julian Casto staffer) @SawyerHackett | 11:33 AM · Jan 17, 2021:
This video from NewYorker is incredible.

A man rifles through confidential Senate documents and says,
“I think @tedcruz would want us to do this.”

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gen. 18, 6:14am

>144 margd:. Thanks for the link. I had tried earlier to get to that report. Surreal details. Like the guy who says “While we’re here, we might as well set up a government.”

gen. 18, 6:33am

Just takes one?

FBI vetting Guard troops in DC amid fears of insider attack
Lolita C. Baldor, The Associated Press | 1/17/2021

...Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy told The Associated Press on Sunday that officials are conscious of the potential threat (to the incoming president and other VIPs in attendance), and he warned commanders to be on the lookout for any problems within their ranks as the inauguration approaches. So far, however, he and other leaders say they have seen no evidence of any threats, and officials said the vetting hadn’t flagged any issues that they were aware of.

“We’re continually going through the process, and taking second, third looks at every one of the individuals assigned to this operation,” McCarthy said in an interview after he and other military leaders went through an exhaustive, three-hour security drill in preparation for Wednesday’s inauguration. He said Guard members are also getting training on how to identify potential insider threats.

About 25,000 members of the National Guard are streaming into Washington from across the country — at least two and a half times the number for previous inaugurals. And while the military routinely reviews service members for extremist connections, the FBI screening is in addition to any previous monitoring.

...In a situation like this one, FBI vetting would involve running peoples’ names through databases and watchlists maintained by the bureau to see if anything alarming comes up. That could include involvement in prior investigations or terrorism-related concerns, said David Gomez, a former FBI national security supervisor in Seattle.

...So far only a couple of current active-duty or National Guard members have been arrested in connection with the Capitol assault, which left five people dead.

... Gen. Daniel R. Hokanson, chief of the National Guard Bureau, has been meeting with Guard troops as they arrive in D.C. and as they gather downtown. He said he believes there are good processes in place to identify any potential threats. “If there’s any indication that any of our soldiers or airmen are expressing things that are extremist views, it’s either handed over to law enforcement or dealt with the chain of command immediately” ...

gen. 18, 6:36am

>140 John5918: : then there's nothing honest I could write about you and not get banned from lthing.

Editat: gen. 18, 6:59am

>145 2wonderY: Even worse than it seemed real time... So many people--wonder if there were people at rally who did not parade over to Capitol?*

Here's another video clip from an intrepid British reporter:

Jason Kint (CBS alum) @jason_kint | 11:55 PM · Jan 6, 2021
Wow. Highly recommend taking 7 minutes away from watching Congress.
The British news media perfectly captured today close-up.
May all US media request to re-air this.
It’s already packaged, impactful and brings clarity to the day...

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From ITV News

* ETA: Video in #149 says most did n0t enter Capitol. So were at rally, marched to Capitol, but did not enter. (Though they smashed reporters' equipment, beat up police...)

gen. 18, 6:57am


Insider News @insidernews | 11:51 AM · Jan 17, 2021:
We looked through hours of footage from the Capitol riot to decode the symbols that Trump supporters brought with them, revealing some ongoing threats to US democracy.

We decoded the symbols from the storming of the capitol
We looked through hours of footage from the Capitol riot to decode the symbols that Trump supporters brought with them, revealing some ongoing threats to US democracy.

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From Insider News

gen. 18, 7:07am

>147 Kuiperdolin:

Ah well, we agree to disagree. I still have no idea what point you are trying to make. Your one-liners are not vey enlightening for me. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate? Or perhaps our life experiences, worldviews and underlying assumptions are so different that we'll continue talking past each other?

gen. 18, 7:12am

Whether this woman's alleged treason is true, there certainly was potential for breaches of national security...
(Also, members of the criminal mob made themselves vulnerable to revenge reports by exes, et al.)

David Begnaud (CBS) @DavidBegnaud | 12:01 AM · Jan 18, 2021:

Riley J. Williams is charged in the Capitol riot.
She allegedly stole a computer from @SpeakerPelosi’s office, & now
@FBI is investigating a tip that she intended to send the computer to a friend in Russia who’d sell it to Russian intelligence.
Williams appears to have “fled”.

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From the affidavit against her: Riley Williams’ former romantic partner called the FBI several times in the days following the riots to report that they had seen her in videos inside the Capitol, but friends of Williams had shown the tipster a video of Williams taking a laptop...

... computer or hard drive from Speaker Pelosi’s office. The witness told the FBI that “WILLIAMS intended to send the computer device to a friend in Russia, who then planned to sell the device to SVR, Russia’s foreign intelligence service...”

“... but that the transfer of the computer device to Russia fell through for unknown reasons and Williams still has the computer device or destroyed it. “This matter remains under investigation.”

Williams has appeared to have fled, she packed a bag & did not tell her mother where she was going but said she would be gone for a couple of weeks. She has changed her telephone number & deleted what are believed to have been her social media accounts on Facebook, Instagram...

... Twitter, Reddit, Telegram, and Parler.
Her mother told law enforcement that her daughter had taken a sudden interest in President Trump’s politics and “far right message boards.”...

... Her father said he drove to D.C. with Williams for the protests but that they did not stay together during the day....

...On January 11th Williams’ mother filed a suspicious persons report against the witness that provided the info about the laptop to the FBI.”

Up close photo: Riley Williams
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