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Domestic Terrorism (2)

1Molly3028
gen. 8, 7:57am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/08/hawley-resign-book-deal-mentor/
As Josh Hawley loses a book deal over the Capitol riots, his GOP mentor says backing him was ‘the worst mistake I ever made’

John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from
Missouri, had once viewed Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) as
a “once-in-a-generation” talent — a young, upstart
politician with a promising future in Washington.

2Limelite
Editat: gen. 8, 9:27pm

Capitol Vandals' Deplorable Display of Their Coprophilia

Trump supporters defecated in the Capitol and 'tracked' feces around lawmakers' offices. Spreading scatological graffiti doesn't just send an insulting message, it may well also spread Covid-19.
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Entire Capitol building and both Senate and House office building annexes will need to be thoroughly fumigated and sanitized against general filth, of course, but also to eliminate SARS-CoV-2 viruses.

3kiparsky
gen. 8, 10:00pm

>2 Limelite: It wasn't that they defecated, it was just that Trumpists are full of shit, and they tend to leak.

4Limelite
gen. 8, 11:34pm

>3 kiparsky: Literally, LOL!!!

5davidgn
Editat: gen. 8, 11:41pm

The take from Yves Smith
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/01/maga-cosplayers-seize-capitol-while-cops...

I've been told that Michael Moore's podcasts with Michigan Congressman Dan Kildee (D-Flint) are required listening. Will weigh in once I've had the chance to listen myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfqsgvO2org
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm4VITRiJcs

6davidgn
gen. 9, 1:14am

I mentioned earlier that the Capitol would, at a minimum be bug-sweeping for weeks. But beyond that...

https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-security-congress-trump-mob-clean-up/
Of course it's not just surveillance devices. Every piece of IT equipment is potentially compromised.

And apparently the threat of explosives is not done and dusted either.
https://www.spytalk.co/p/capitol-bomb-hunt-could-take-weeks

7Molly3028
Editat: gen. 9, 12:07pm

GOPers want Trump back on Twitter because mob rule
has become their clarion call since Trump lost his re-
election bid. Trump's mentally-challenged, hate-filled
groupies want to be kept in the loop at all times. And,
Murdoch's paid-for lunatics are very happy campers.

8Molly3028
Editat: gen. 9, 12:04pm

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-voter-registration-sw...

"The rampage through and temporary takeover of the Capitol by supporters of President Donald Trump, incited by the president, may be prompting some Florida voters to leave the Republican Party."

I hope for the country's sake this is the start of a country-wide trend.

9mamzel
gen. 9, 2:14pm

>2 Limelite: Isn't it possible to match DNA using feces and urine? Once they've caught these idiots they can positively place them inside the Capitol. Talk about being hoisted on their own petards.

10MsMixte
gen. 9, 6:38pm

>9 mamzel: I saw an explanation that essentially the building has a huge wi fi system, and it will be able to determine whether or not someone's phone was in the building.

I also saw a photo of one of the representatives picking up trash--including discarded water bottles, which almost certainly have fingerprints all over them.

11kiparsky
gen. 9, 7:40pm

>9 mamzel: It hardly seems necessary to go to all that trouble. These are people who are stupid enough to post pictures of themselves on the internet while they are in the process of committing a felony. It shouldn't be hard to place them in the building, they've already done the work for you.

12John5918
gen. 9, 11:25pm

Capitol attackers have long threatened violence in rural American west (Guardian)

When the full story of the 6 January storming of the US Capitol building is told, historians will have to make sense of what might seem an odd footnote. The two most prominent rightwing militia groups that participated in the mob onslaught on Congress – the Three Percenters, based in Idaho, and the Oath Keepers, based in Nevada – cut their teeth in obscure corners of the American west, where for close to a decade they have threatened violence against federal employees and institutions that steward the nation’s public lands. “The mob violence that swarmed the halls of the Capitol building and other government offices flows from a series of smaller armed insurrections by domestic terrorists across the west”...

13davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 12:12am

>5 davidgn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm4VITRiJcs
Can now absolutely attest this interview of Rep. Kildee by his friend Michael Moore is required listening.
And above all: this is not over. Updates from today.

https://facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10157486921931857
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3677083552373627&id=24674986856&am...

14davidgn
gen. 10, 12:46am

Moore believes Wednesday was only a dry run. I fear he may be right.

15davidgn
gen. 10, 1:47am

To quote Moore:
https://facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10157486921931857
The terrorist attack is NOT over. Thousands from Wednesday’s terrorist mob assault on the Capitol have not been arrested and have NOT LEFT the DC area. They are planning more attacks. This poster I’ve included here is being displayed all over. It has even been circulated among the members of Congress. Some leaders are afraid to say straight up what I’m telling you. They don’t want a panic. They don’t want to help publicize it (understandably). But the public needs to be told - and now. Law enforcement knows that there’s more violence ahead. Trump and his inner circle, his crime family, have called for this uprising and they are pleased with what they’ve seen and they know what’s going on. Unless these white terrorists are arrested NOW - en masse - there will be people killed between now and Inauguration Day. I can’t stress this enough. Way too many police are sympathetic to their white terrorist brethren. They will stand down again and allow the violence to continue. PLEASE NOTE: This poster I’m sharing with you is calling for an ARMED March on January 17th. And they are calling for it to take place not just in DC but in EVERY state Capitol in all 50 states. I keep hoping in the back of my mind this poster isn’t real. But it was sent to me by a Member of Congress. We HAVE to treat it seriously and demand action. The terrorists saw on Wednesday that they could get away with it. They are empowered and excited. They believe this is their moment. We are all in danger. I ask that you listen to me — me, the person who warned you Trump would win in 2016, who warned you there would be no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq and that the premise for the invasion was a lie. I’m the guy who warned you that Columbine would be only the first of many, many mass school shootings. And on and on. I only recite this litany of my failures to convince the public we are in serious danger in the hopes you will listen to me today. Impeachment is scheduled to happen by Thursday? Too late. Too late. Remove the head of this terrorist action TODAY. He’s at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. His co-conspirators are in the Republican Caucus of the House & Senate. The mob is everywhere. They often wear red hats and have no Covid masks on their face. Some carry weapons, some make bombs, and a few kill cops while chanting “Blue lives matter!” All of them know they are protected by their white skin and believe nothing will happen to them. All of them want to stop our votes from being counted — and stop the new President from taking office. Their only problem: there’s more of us than there are of them. And that only infuriates them more. A show of strong legal force and the removal of their Leader is the only thing that will stop what we are about to experience. For the sake of peace — DEMAND ACTION! Stop this madness.

16John5918
gen. 10, 2:04am

I'm not on Facebook so a lot of this passes me by, but here's NPR:

As Inauguration Nears, Concern Of More Violence Grows

The violence at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday was unprecedented in modern U.S. history — but some pro-Trump extremists are promising it was just a taste of things to come.

"Many of Us will return on January 19, 2021, carrying Our weapons, in support of Our nation's resolve, towhich {sic} the world will never forget!!!" one person wrote on Parler, a site friendly to right-wing extremists. "We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match"...

17davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 2:36am

>16 John5918: Here's the Youtube upload of Moore's latest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCsVVVknzQ

And as loath as I am to reproduce it...

18davidgn
gen. 10, 2:49am

More and much darker footage from Wednesday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjRXO72v1s

19John5918
gen. 10, 2:59am

>17 davidgn:

They don't see the irony/contradiction in on the one hand saying, "When democracy is destroyed" and on the other hand calling for an armed march on all the seats of democracy in the country.

20davidgn
gen. 10, 3:01am

>19 John5918: Nope. Damn fools.

21davidgn
gen. 10, 3:06am

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws?bftwnews&a...

Amazon Is Booting Parler Off Of Its Web Hosting Service
Under any other circumstances I would be aghast.
At the moment, I have to agree. We are in a situation of active armed sedition. Amazon's action has the effect of disrupting C&C.

22davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 5:28am

>21 davidgn: And then I second-guess my knee-jerk response. I suspect it will do more harm than good. The message is already out, and while it makes it harder for the uncommitted, less-than-tightly-networked gunman to find out what's going on and join in, it also plays into the hands of these people's persecution complex. And ironically, I learned that (in spades) by trawling some of the many niche sites that are NOT shut down.

23bnielsen
gen. 10, 5:56am

>18 davidgn: Thanks.

24lriley
gen. 10, 6:35am

As a reason to close overseas military bases--to drop down our presence in war zones we have no real good reason to be in. Really militia groups like the 3%'ers can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. Better to break up their little organizations and if necessary with our own military. So bring our military forces back from overseas and if these yahoos still want to engage in their intimidation tactics from court houses to capital buildings every time they decide to dispute an election or a law that doesn't go their way then they can fight with the Army or the Marines and if they choose to take it back into their dales and hollers that's fine too. However well trained some of them may be they don't have the logistics necessary to win. Small groups of them might survive for a long while--may even have fairly broad community support---but even with all that you bear enough weight down on them they'll be suppressed---they won't be showing up much during the day time anyway.

25davidgn
gen. 10, 8:31am

Here's a breadcrumb trail to the main repositories of footage, if anyone wants to dig further. I probably will when I get a chance.
>23 bnielsen:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/capitol-riot-photos-video-online

27Molly3028
gen. 10, 8:35am

Drudge Report link ~

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Pre-Nazi-Germany-tells-us-the-f...

Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning

28davidgn
gen. 10, 8:41am

>27 Molly3028: I didn't come up with "The Beer Belly Putsch," but I find it apt.

29Molly3028
Editat: gen. 10, 12:08pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-has-not-ordered-flags-flown-at-hal...

Trump has not ordered flags flown at half-mast over federal buildings to honor the police officer killed in the ransacking of the Capitol.

The president has also not contacted Sicknick's family to offer his condolences, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence told The New York Times.

UPDATE: the flag is down at the Capitol but not at the White House.

30davidgn
gen. 10, 10:09am

>29 Molly3028: Yes. Michael Moore caught that as well. But I think Jake Tapper caught it before him. https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1348055794546257924

31Molly3028
Editat: gen. 10, 10:22am

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/glenn-kirschner-trump-pardon-capitol-rioters_n_5f...

Former Federal Prosecutor ~ Glenn Kirschner ~ fears Trump Could Pardon Capitol Rioters.

32davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 10:36am

https://www.gq.com/story/man-predicted-capitol-coup-interview
The Man Who Saw Yesterday’s Coup Attempt Coming Is Only Surprised It Wasn’t Much Worse
“It was not the army I expected it to be.”

Arieh Kovler knew. “On January 6, armed Trumpist militias will be rallying in DC, at Trump's orders,” he wrote on Twitter on December 21st. “It's highly likely that they'll try to storm the Capitol after it certifies Joe Biden's win. I don't think this has sunk in yet.” It sank in for the rest of us yesterday, when Trumpist militias stormed the capitol. If Arieh Kovler knew, why didn’t everyone else?

We all could have, says Kovler, a political consultant with a background in government relations in the U.K. who studies extremist Trump message boards. In his telling, it wasn’t all that difficult to see the writing on the wall. (In fact, many people went beyond Kovler, and went as far as to email DC police warning them of an incoming siege.) A single Trump tweet had the power to provoke his base into organizing yesterday’s events. "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Trump wrote. “Once Trump said be there,” Kovler said on a phone call Thursday morning, “they interpreted that as a call to action, as their marching orders.” As one Trump supporter on Reddit interpreted it: “DADDY SAYS BE IN DC ON JAN. 6TH.”

Scarier still is how much worse Wednesday could have gone. Kovler wondered if one way the protesters might swing the election in Trump’s favor was by “forcing Congress to certify him as the winner at gunpoint,” he wrote in the original Twitter thread from December. This wasn’t baseless theorizing, either—it, too, came from online posting visible to anyone who bothered to look. “They imagined that this was the day there were going to be mass executions of Congressmen,” Kovler said. So while DC police assert there was “no intelligence that suggests that there would be a breach of the US Capitol,” Kovler is just surprised it wasn’t much worse.
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Come Election Day, he doesn't win. So all these people go, "Wait, it can't be. How could Trump possibly lose an election that everyone I know knew he was going to win?" I could just see a certain reality catching up with them, and it would have to be on that day of the certification. And once they saw Trump saying to his supporters, come to DC on that day, I could see it going the wrong way.

You could see the discussion become less abstract. By last week, these people were sharing maps of D.C. They were talking about having enough of them that they would be able to erect basically their own cadre around the entire area of Congress. They had a map of the tunnels in the basement of the Capitol, and they were talking about how they're going to be able to stop Congress from leaving. They imagined that this was the day there were going to be mass executions of Congressmen.

But a lot of them also just imagined they were going to be there for this historic time when Trump pulled away the curtain and revealed that all of Congress were traitors and then took his just and equal revenge.

33John5918
gen. 10, 10:45am

>32 davidgn: "Wait, it can't be. How could Trump possibly lose an election that everyone I know knew he was going to win?"

That's a phrase I've heard repeated in news interviews with Trump supporters. It shows a very narrow understanding of demographics. Of course it's not unlikely that most of the people we know will be of a similar political persuasion. Almost all of the US citizens whom I know voted Democrat, but then most of the US citizens I know are internationalists, humanitarian workers, peacebuilders, social justice advocates, human rights activists, progressive Catholics, etc, so it's hardly surprising. Likewise if you live in a small mid-western town where most of the people are white working class, it's hardly surprising that most of them voted for Trump. But that so many people are so blind that they can't see that just because most of their friends and neighbours voted the same way doesn't mean that the whole country would have voted the same way is very worrying.

34davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 10:48am

Couple of Buzzfeed pieces I'm working through.
These Black Capitol Police Officers Describe Fighting Off "Racist Ass Terrorists"
Two Black officers told BuzzFeed News that their chief and other upper management left them totally unprepared and were nowhere to be found on the day.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racism-...

While some of the images from that day appeared to show officers standing by to let the mob into the Capitol building, the veteran officer said that they had fought them off for two hours before the attackers eventually gained access. The officer said that many of the widely spread images of smiling marauders, wandering the halls dressed in absurd costumes, had the effect of downplaying how well prepared some of the rioters were to overtake the building, and even to capture and kill Congress members.

“That was a heavily trained group of militia terrorists that attacked us,” said the officer, who has been with the department for more than a decade. “They had radios, we found them, they had two-way communicators and earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flash bangs ... They were prepared. They strategically put two IEDs, pipe bombs in two different locations. These guys were military trained. A lot of them were former military,” the veteran said, referring to two suspected pipe bombs that were found outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee.

The officer even described coming face to face with police officers from across the country in the mob. He said some of them flashed their badges, telling him to let them through, and trying to explain that this was all part of a movement that was supposed to help.


Led me to:
A Play-By-Play Of How The Trump Mob Got Into The Capitol
A timeline of Wednesday’s chaos at the Capitol using maps, tweets, and photographs.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/benking/capitol-dc-riot-trump

35Molly3028
gen. 10, 12:19pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-christie-says-trump-should-be-impeached-if-inc...

Chris Christie Says Trump Should Be Impeached: If Inciting an Insurrectionist Mob Isn’t Impeachable, ‘I Don’t Know What’ Is

36kiparsky
gen. 10, 1:23pm

>34 davidgn: We've heard all this talk from the Trumpists about ";aw and order", "support the police", "blue lives matter", yadda yadda.

Here's what they really think:

37kiparsky
gen. 10, 1:27pm

>35 Molly3028: What was that about rats and a sinking ship?

38Limelite
gen. 10, 3:22pm

QAnon Congressmember Is Domestic Terrorist

Miss privileged white-ass, gun-toting, Republican, Deplorable live-tweeted Nancy Pelosi's location to rioters. I hope Chief Finger-in-His-Face kicks her out if her own district can't and/or doesn't recall her. The FBI wants to know the identities of those who incited and participated in the insurrection?

To borrow a Tweet phrase from Democratic Rep. Karen Bass who sent the Orange Shitegibbon's mug to the FBI by her phone, "I found one."

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO)

39mamzel
Editat: gen. 10, 3:50pm

>10 MsMixte: and >11 kiparsky: I admit to watching a lot of forensic TV shows. It occurred to me watching the live action that the pres's (small p on purpose) Facebook msg would not reach all the idiots taking selfies and live streaming.

My husband was watching a call-in program on MSNBC and he told me about one from a little girl. She was commenting on the people hiding under their desks and said something to the effect, "Wah-wah! I've had to hide under my desk six times." It chilled me.

eta: It might have been the Washington Journal on CSPAN.

402wonderY
gen. 10, 4:34pm

>38 Limelite: Can you provide a good link please? I haven’t been able to find that tidbit.

41Limelite
Editat: gen. 10, 5:43pm

>40 2wonderY: OOOPS!! That's because I made an html error! THANKS for catching it.

42Limelite
Editat: gen. 10, 6:57pm

WATB Insurrectionist Sobs in D.C, Airport

VIDEO BELOW
Domestic terrorists who broke into US Capitol are crying because they’re on no fly list https://t.co/0FCm3QqF0L
— Daniel Uhlfelder (Daniel Uhlfelder)1610318433.0
All I wanna know is if they zip tied him, since he's labeled a domestic terrorist by the Terrorist Screening Center (TSC).

My dog drinks domestic terrorist tears.
"This is what they do to us," the man sobbed as he walked past a gate. "They kicked me off the plane. They called me a f*cking terrorist! And they f*ckin' want to ruin my life!"

A woman can be seen approaching him and overheard saying, "Sir, please calm down, I was kicked off of Delta earlier." It's unclear if she was another insurrectionist named from the riot.
Good! I want "them" to f*cking ruin your life, too.
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43davidgn
gen. 10, 7:45pm

Moore's latest.
https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10157489256976857
THE 7 CRITICAL TRUTHS:
1. This attack on the Capitol was an Inside Job in which some Republican members of Congress and their staffs assisted the mob in getting into and through the Capitol building.
2. Various elements of law enforcement also assisted in the attack, as did rogue cops and current and ex-military from around the country. Current members of the NYPD and the Seattle police force have been identified in footage as part of the mob. Reports say they’ve also identified active duty troops partipating in the attack - plus a police chief and a sheriff - as members of the mob. The guy inside the House chamber carrying the large number of police-grade handcuff zip-ties is a retired Lt. Colonel.
3. Trump was the ringleader and the inciter - and when cries of help were made to him to send in the National Guard to protect the Capitol and our elected representatives, Trump refused.
4. This attack was a dry run for more violent attacks the terrorists are planning to launch before the Inauguration.
5. Why did members of Congress tell their staffs to stay home on Wednesday “for their own safety?” Everyone knew there would be trouble. Yet, stunningly, 1,900 Capitol Police were told to stay home on Wednesday. Only 400 reported to work. It was designed for them to be overrun.
6. Of the very few terrorists who have now been arrested, not one of them has been charged with domestic terrorism. “Trespassing” is the most common charge.
7. White supremacists were everywhere in the mob. Some wore T-shirts proclaiming, “6 Million Was Not Enough.” Our military and police departments across the country have been infiltrated by white supremacists and hard-core racists. Defunding them will defang them. Everyone knows had that mob been Black, they’d all be dead. We need to start over with a whole new concept of criminal justice, and new anti-racist peacekeeping officers.

44Limelite
Editat: gen. 10, 9:25pm

House To Make Official Call: "Pence, Remove Trump from Power!"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said that they had been reaching out to Vice President Mike Pence to encourage him to invoke the 25th Amendment.
Section 4 of Amendment 2 is the piece. . .that most are looking to as a guide. It allows "the vice president and a majority of the president's cabinet or a group designated by Congress to declare in writing to the Senate president pro tempore and House speaker that the sitting president is unable to perform the duties of the office.

Presumably, that means that since Cabinet officials have resigned, leaving only "acting" members, those "acting" officials weren't "designated by Congress," so they wouldn't be allowed to vote.
Trump doesn't believe Pence has the guts to do it. I don't think it's a question of guts. I think it's a matter of his self-interest.

Invoking the 25th Amendment will not prevent Trump from running for president again should he be alive in 2024. Only impeachment and conviction by the Senate will do that. Why should Pence make himself unpopular (more than he already did Jan. 6th) with the base Trump supporters if he doesn't have to? Invoking the 25th gets him nothing more than leaving the Insurrectionist-in-Chief in office does now. So, why cooperate with the Dems?

Any political observer has noticed by now that Trump probably is not in control of the government, including most of the Cabinet. Pence could have easily calculated that these last two weeks of Trump's administration are giving him something no other candidate for the Republican nomination will have in 2024 -- presidential experience, and in a crisis at that.

My read is that he will counter the Pelosi/Schumer overture with the recommendation that they get moving on impeachment because it costs him nothing may. Besides, the Senate trial may be postponed until after the Democratic Senators from GA are sworn in and Biden's honeymoon is over (first 100 days). Even then, no doubt Republican senators will sue in the hope that SCOTUS would reject such an unprecedented eventuality because it's not a specifically given power in the Constitution. NOTE: Nor is it a specifically forbidden one.

Trump's shameful exit, regardless of how it unfolds, seems destined to be a Never-Ending Story.

45kiparsky
gen. 10, 9:22pm

In this morning's NY Times , we find the following:

Mitchell Hoyt, a Trump voter in Wisconsin, objected when a reporter referred to the “storming” of the Capitol.

“The people didn’t show up with guns trying to overthrow the government, but the media likes to spin it that way,” he said. Though he said he believed the break-in and vandalism at the Capitol were “not a good representation of conservatism in this country,” he added: “I don’t think those people should be demonized. They’re angry and when people don’t think they have a voice that can be heard, stuff like this happens.”


It's almost like a riot is the language of the unheard or something.

46Limelite
gen. 10, 9:42pm

Tolstoy's Delight: An Unhappy Family

Because the latter make great novels, like Anna Karenina, which opens, "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."

The Family Gosar is one of the latter.

Three of Rep. Paul Gosar's (R-AZ) siblings have reached out to Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ) asking him to help get their brother expelled from Congress after the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol they blame him for helping to instigate.
It is the third time in three years members of the Arizona Republican's family have taken dramatic steps hoping to derail his political career.

Once again, it comes in response to what they view as outrageous conduct that hurts the nation.

"We know him to be an extremist and we took that very seriously," said Seattle resident Jennifer Gosar, one of Paul Gosar's nine siblings. "I believe that my brother has been a constant perpetrator of misinformation. . . I've been incredulous at the lack of accountability thus far. I would think Wednesday would be certainly a line."

"He's set a dangerous sort of precedent along the 10 years he's been in office," said Tim Gosar of Fort Collins, Colo. "When you talk about what happened the other day, you're talking about treason. You're talking about overthrowing the government. That's what this is. If that doesn't rise to the level of expulsion, what does?"

Wyoming resident David Gosar said his brother "has parroted the exact same lies that Trump has" about the election.

"Five people are dead and Congress has been attacked," David Gosar said. "Somebody has to pay a penalty for it."
Remember how Anna Karenina ended? I think Gomar's siblings are much more merciful and the House would be well advised to follow their wishes.

47davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 10:31pm

Who are these guys?
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1348115530654347266
BTW: Many thanks and much gratitude to John Scott-Railton and the Citizen Lab at University of Toronto for their ongoing OSINT work.

48Limelite
gen. 10, 10:27pm

Get Off the Plane! -- Terrorists Jeered When Forced Off Flight

The woman who comforted the crying guy at a D.C. airport who was booted off his flight for being a terrorist in an earlier video, was also videoed in her moment of ignominy.
Is Jamal Coming?
@barrie_bradshaw
They are not playing. Some more that were put on the No-Fly list.

VIDEO LINK
No information if she and her companions were arrested for rioting and invading the Capitol.

The facial recognition that must be how these passengers have been identified, once it was correlated with airline flight manifest information, must be highly reliable and mighty swift. Seems like robust s/w to me!

49davidgn
gen. 10, 10:29pm

>48 Limelite: So we leave them stranded in DC, and we DON'T round them up and arrest them?

Anyone else find this unwise?

50Limelite
gen. 10, 10:36pm

Capitol Rioters Included Elected Lawmakers, Cops, -- and Military Members(?)

At least 25 domestic terrorism investigations opened on Trump's Capitol rioters -- including US soldiers.
Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO) revealed that he spoke with Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy and was told about the number.

"A Defense official who was informed about the call initially confirmed that the cases involved troops but later corrected that statement," the report said. "The official said some troops – active and reserve duty – may have been involved in the riot, and the military will investigate them as necessary."

"There is concern that military members may have been involved in the riot," the official explained.

“We are engaged in identifying all of those who took part in breaching the Capitol, regardless of their affiliation,” Justice spokesman Marc Raimondi said Sunday.

The Pentagon also has been asked to review all members who will be a part of the security detail for the Jan. 20 inauguration to ensure the are "not sympathetic to domestic terrorists," Crow said.

51tombaine
gen. 10, 11:12pm

>17 davidgn: I love it!

52davidgn
Editat: gen. 10, 11:51pm

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1348116140707389442
Here's a notable collection of videos. Notice the guy scaling the wall with a shofar strapped to his back. Jericho March holdover?
https://www.vox.com/2021/1/8/22219595/shofar-evangelical-trump-jericho-march-jud...

53davidgn
gen. 11, 7:44am

"Officer Eugene Goodman" needs to be a household name.

https://twitter.com/kristin__wilson/status/1348297840779546627

54Molly3028
Editat: gen. 11, 10:58am

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Talk-radio-owner-orders-conservative-h...
Talk-radio owner orders conservative hosts to temper election fraud rhetoric

In my estimation, Mark Levin is their most disgusting
host. Spreading lies, hate, and fear is A-OK with him
24/7. His so-called 'love' for the Constitution and
America has always been a money-making gimmick.

55Molly3028
Editat: gen. 11, 11:24am

https://news.trust.org/item/20210111145056-13o5o

Washington Monument closed due to threats to disrupt Biden inauguration

I wish the bat-shit crazies would go back into their bat
caves. This sh*t was all under the surface until Trump,
with the help of GOP wingnut radio and TV hosts,
brought the hate into our daily lives.

56davidgn
gen. 11, 2:56pm

Parler Video Accused of Inciting Inauguration Violence Widely Shared Before Site Takedown
https://www.newsweek.com/parler-offline-qanon-video-inauguration-violence-156040...

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick! I've found a copy uploaded to YouTube. Fortunately, I'm sure it won't last long there. But this is what we're up against.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k44oQwh5ek

57davidgn
gen. 11, 3:36pm

>48 Limelite: >49 davidgn: Looks like we may need to revise the narrative. This may be more about masks and insubordination to flight crew than no-fly lists.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-capitol-rioters-being-kicked-off-flights...

58Conkie
gen. 11, 4:59pm

>56 davidgn: Youtube video is... OMG!

59Molly3028
Editat: gen. 11, 5:09pm

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/533633-trumpism-must-not-become-the-new-...
Trumpism must not become the new McCarthyism

That disgusting era took place during the first ten years
of my life. I hate the thought of experiencing a similar
period in what could be my final decade.

60John5918
gen. 11, 11:06pm

Canada considers adding Proud Boys to terrorist list alongside Isis and al-Qaida (Guardian)

Public safety minister says group, founded by a Canadian, is ‘hateful and dangerous’, citing their role in the US Capitol attack...

61MsMixte
gen. 12, 1:07am

>60 John5918: 'Consider'? I know Canadians tend to be polite, but I think they could manage to add them even though it might offend a few Canadians.

62davidgn
gen. 12, 5:41am

https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10157491916436857
Michael Moore
14h ·
Immediately Remove The Republicans Who Voted In Favor of the Terrorists’ Demands
It’s not just Trump who has to go. The Constitution is clear. Any member of Congress who participates in an “insurrection or rebellion” is in violation of the oath they took to defend and uphold the Constitution — and thus they may no longer serve in Congress. Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, written initially to exclude Confederate Civil War traitors, says that "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress … who … having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same."
There are 147 Republican members of the Senate and the House who late last Wednesday night (and into the early hours of Thursday morning) — just hours after a domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol which they and Trump helped to incite — voted to overturn (throw out) the legal and already-certified votes of millions of Americans in the states of Pennsylvania and Arizona. It was an act of sedition and a flagrant violation of their oath of office. Legal experts and other members of Congress have called it an act of treason. THIS MUST BE DEALT WITH. They must be, as the Constitution requires, removed from Congress.
Here are their names. And to be clear: The cop-killing terrorist mob who attacked, trashed, took over and shut down our United States Congress for seven hours — the first time in history this has ever happened — their terrorist demands and their stated intention was to prevent the counting of the votes of millions of Americans and illegally give the election to Trump. So what did these 147 Republican lawmakers do just hours after these domestic terrorists stormed the Capitol in the hopes of killing, harming or kidnapping some of their fellow representatives, including their Republican Vice-President!? They voted to give in to the terrorists’ demands! And do EXACTLY what the cop-killing mob had demanded they do: Throw out the votes of the American people! Imagine if on the night of 9/11, 147 Republican members of Congress voted to give in to the demands of Al Qaeda. We never would have stood for that and we would have had them all arrested. But of course there’s a difference: Bin Laden wanted to take down buildings in the financial and military capitols of America and kill 3,000 people in the process. These 147 Republicans just wanted to take down American Democracy.
ALL 147 OF THEM MUST BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY PER SECTION 3 OF THE 14th AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION


THE LIST:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-bi...

63mamzel
gen. 12, 3:15pm

>62 davidgn: I've got to admit that their excuse that they feared for their families' safety rings true. Cowardly but realistic.

64Limelite
Editat: gen. 12, 4:00pm

BREAKING: FBI Press Conf

Yes. FBI had info about lead-up activities and shared it broadly through JTTF model of planned possibly violent protests in DC last Wed within minutes. Also know NYPD intelligence bureau communicated directly with USCP.

But did USCP act on these communications? USCP is not reporting publicly, only accountable to Congress.

Arrest of Enrique Torrio Monday before riots enabled by the FBI's early intelligence.

FBI expects hundreds of arrests and prosecutions for crimes/federal felony charges. Immediate arrests on misdemeanor charges, with additional charges poss and anticipated. Focus on reeling them in, holding them on those charges, go on to develop felony charges.

Over 100,000 pieces of evidence.

Attacks on journalists could be prosecuted as First Amendment violations.

No Fly List being considered.

Building cases on weapons and bombs. Bombs were real devices with timers, but did not go off. Investigating poss. that intended diversionary tactic. "I don't like label 'domestic terrorism.' It's being treated like any terrorism investigation. We have plenty of charges -- murder, sedition, seditious conspiracy, vandalism of federal property, etc. Treating like any terrorism case, money, travel, resources, command and control, just like international terrorist crimes."

$50,000 REWARD for PIPE BOMBER(s)

Hostages: Looking at all angles, all suspects are being interviewed about their intentions. No discussion of motive on zip-tie guy. But how terrorists were dressed -- gas masks, helmets, Kevlar vests, camouflage 'uniform,' weapons -- leaves no doubt that these people were mere protestors.

Sicknick murder suspect. Reviewing all video and online communications. Within 40 minutes, vetted material is communicated across nation.

Massive case load. Added burden of inauguration. Additional plotting ongoing by militia gangs.

Where was Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Christopher Wray? Did not appear at briefing. No mention of incitement by FBI despite mention of "seditious conspiracy." No acknowledgment of white supremacist terrorist organizations being perps, nor specific remarks addressing destroying such armed gangs like was done to Prohibition gangs and Mafia gangs in the past.

Semi-satisfactory presentation. Only about 6 questions taken by phone. Many aspects of Wed. insurrection went unaddressed. Expect future Congressional committee investigations on heels of lack of LE response to terrorists and post-coup attempt, esp. by USCP.

65MsMixte
gen. 12, 4:24pm

>63 mamzel: Perhaps they can remember that excuse the next time a school gets shot up.

66bnielsen
gen. 12, 4:37pm

>63 mamzel: He bravely turned his tail and fled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

I didn't know that the US was ruled by chickens. I'm sure that will be noticed by your friends and foes alike.

67librorumamans
Editat: gen. 12, 9:46pm

>61 MsMixte: 'Consider'? I know Canadians tend to be polite, but I think they could manage to add them even though it might offend a few Canadians.

There are criteria set out in the Criminal Code of Canada that must be met in order for an organization to be added to the list of terrorist organizations. Thus, it is necessary to consider whether such a decision will survive a court challenge.
“Terrorist designations are not political exercises,” [said a spokesman for the Minister of Public Safety]. “They involve a legal process requiring evidence and intelligence.”

Created in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the U.S. in September 2001, the terror list includes more than 50 organizations. Groups on the list may have their assets seized, and there are serious criminal penalties for helping them carry out extremist activities.
The Globe and Mail 2021-01-12 (paywall)

(Edited to correct date reference.)

68Molly3028
gen. 12, 7:07pm

https://www.vox.com/22227681/joint-chiefs-letter-capitol-trump
US military chiefs warn troops against “sedition and insurrection” before Biden inauguration

In a statement sent out to the entire US military, all eight members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff condemned the Capitol insurrection — incited by the current commander in chief — and warned service members not to do anything to impede President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration.

69Limelite
gen. 12, 8:04pm

Insurrectionist USCP Murder Suspect Identified in Photo

WANTED!

The suspect, a bearded man wearing a backpack and a Chicago Fire Department cap, was also caught on video hurling a fire extinguisher at the line of police. Sicknick was reported as having died from injuries sustained after being struck in the head with a fire extinguisher.

On Tuesday morning, Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) tweeted photos of an older white male with a beard, wearing a blue knit cap with the letters "CFD," which he said Capitol Police had shared with him.

US Capitol Police Image


70MsMixte
gen. 12, 8:22pm

>67 librorumamans: Thank you. I explored further, but did not get far in my quest for more information on the criteria.

71Limelite
gen. 12, 8:44pm

Infamous Hydroxychloroquine-Pushing Doctor Invaded the Capitol During MAGA Riot

Dr. Simone Gold is acknowledging that she was one of the people who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

WaPo Photo, John Strand

California doctor Simone Gold made headlines back in July when she and a group of physicians appeared in a new conference in front of the Supreme Court to decry lockdowns.

Gold said that she assumed it was legal to enter the Capitol and that she has not been contacted by law enforcement. She was in D.C. for a "Rally for Health Freedom" on the East side of the Capitol on Jan. 6. One video shows her walking into the Capitol, and another shows her giving some sort of impromptu speech.
Hey "Law & Order Republicans," since when is ignorance of the law an excuse for committing a crime?

72librorumamans
gen. 12, 10:03pm

>70 MsMixte:
This may (I'm not a lawyer) be one of the relevant sections of the Criminal Code:
Establishment of list

83.05 (1) The Governor in Council may, by regulation, establish a list on which the Governor in Council may place any entity if, on the recommendation of the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, the Governor in Council is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds to believe that

(a) the entity has knowingly carried out, attempted to carry out, participated in or facilitated a terrorist activity; or

(b) the entity has knowingly acted on behalf of, at the direction of or in association with an entity referred to in paragraph (a).

[. . .]

Judicial review

(5) Within 60 days after the receipt of the notice of the decision referred to in subsection (4), the applicant may apply to a judge for judicial review of the decision.
Elsewhere there are extensive definitions of 'entity' and 'terrorist activity'.

73MsMixte
gen. 12, 10:52pm

>72 librorumamans: Thank you. I don't have any friends who are Canadian lawyers, unfortunately. I will poke around a bit and see if I can come up with more to add.

74LolaWalser
gen. 13, 12:59pm

Wow, check this out... a familiar Stormpooper is back:

https://www.librarything.com/topic/321045#n7385008

The OP message for the record, but in spoiler tags.

Imagine Democratic administrations in power, nationally and in most of the states, and in all of the big cities, when this sort of thing happens again. They will grovel, beg, tie the hands of the police and military (which they will have tried to hollow out via appointments of politically-correct personnel). But electoral demographics make that inevitable in the near future. Don't kid yourself.

So ... get that AR15, two thousand rounds of ammunition, and a dozen magazines, while you can. It won't cost more than a thousand dollars. Get a set of two or three if you can afford it.

Then, come to CivilianDefenseForce.Org to link up with fellow patriots.

The plunge of America into decadence and chaos is a tragedy of world-historic proportions. It's a generations-long setback for liberal democracy the world over.

But we have to face reality.

75mamzel
gen. 13, 1:59pm

>66 bnielsen: Monty Python - timeless!
Thanks for bringing this back.

76davidgn
Editat: gen. 14, 8:33am

Michael Moore today has an interview with Daryl Johnson, former head of a DHS team that was disbanded amidst scandalized Republican backlash for daring to predict a rise in right-wing domestic extremism.
Moore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEv1EzAzyw

Haven't had a chance to listen yet, but here are some other media interviews with Johnson.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/21/i-warned-of-rig...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/07/white-supremacist-terrorism-inte...

and yesterday,
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/isn-t-final-chapter-analyst-warns...

77margd
gen. 14, 9:38am

Prosecutors are looking to modify Kyle Rittenhouse's bail conditions, saying he was spotted out with Proud Boys flashing white-power signs
Charles Davis | January 14, 2021

Kenosha County prosecutors filed a motion Wednesday seeking to modify Kyle Rittenhouse's bail conditions.

The move comes after Rittenhouse, 18, was spotted at a bar (with his mother) after posting $2 million bail in November.

Prosecutors say Rittenhouse was fraternizing with members of the Proud Boys and flashed a white-power hand sign.

...the Kenosha County District Attorney's Office (motioned) that Rittenhouse be prohibited from drinking alcohol (they say he had three beers at Pudgy's); prohibited from public displays of "white power" signs; and prohibited from having any contact with members of violent or white supremacist organizations.

...Rittenhouse is due to appear in court on March 10, with jury selection beginning March 29.

782wonderY
gen. 14, 9:44am

>77 margd: Of course he’s out drinking beers with his mom and his buds. He’s a hero, eh?

79Limelite
gen. 14, 2:03pm

>78 2wonderY:

Bet he didn't have to pay for a-one of 'em.

80Limelite
gen. 14, 4:28pm

Supremacists on FBI Terrorist Watch List in D.C. for Capitol Riot

WaPo reports:
"The majority of the watchlisted individuals in Washington (then). . .are suspected white supremacists whose past conduct so alarmed investigators that their names had been previously entered into the national Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, a massive set of names flagged as potential security risks. . .The watch list is larger and separate from the 'no-fly' list. . . to prevent terrorism suspects from boarding airplanes. . .and (listees) are not automatically barred from any public or commercial spaces. . ."

81Molly3028
gen. 15, 7:49am

https://www.mediaite.com/news/tucker-carlson-attacks-vacuous-little-totalitarian...
Tucker Carlson Attacks ‘Vacuous Little Totalitarian Moron’ AOC, Mocks Her Fears During Deadly Capitol Assault

It appears that this dude's mother abandoning the
family when he was a youngster badly damaged
him. His family should be doing an intervention
for his sake and the country's sake.

82John5918
gen. 15, 8:40am

>81 Molly3028:

I've no idea who this bloke is, but I wonder whether he has ever been in a building stormed by an angry armed mob intent on violence? I have, and I'm with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - it's very frightening.

83margd
gen. 15, 10:40am

>81 Molly3028: A long-retired Canadian colleague whose parents were white farmers in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia) recalls sleeping with a rifle by his bed, telling me that armed invaders are aptly called 'terrorists' because that's what he was--terrified.

84Molly3028
Editat: gen. 15, 12:09pm

>82 John5918: and >83 margd:

He and his viewers appear to be hooked on verbal
hate heroin. I'm glad that CNN and MSNBC seem
to be getting higher viewer numbers during this
period in time. I assume a lot of their new
viewers have decided to enjoy a more wholesome
info diet.

85Limelite
gen. 15, 1:42pm

Fox News CEO Job in Jeopardy

FoxNews has lost the ratings battle to both MSNBC and CNN, being out of first place since the election. Consequently, Rupert Murdoch has decided to be a more hands-on owner and that means Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott and President Jay Wallace are fighting for their jobs.

Who needs managers if the Big Boss comes back to run the show? Don't mistakenly believe that Fox will align itself with the truth and stick to reality based reporting of facts. Murdoch will most likely -- if he changes direction with his network -- move more firmly into the camp of conspiracy, incitement, and lie spreading in the attempt to out-compete Newsmax and OAN.

After all, Murdoch's entire business plan is based on monetizing fake news, unproven innuendo , and outrageous conclusions having no relation to facts. And he's made a fortune. Wing Nut Extremism 'R' Us, and always will be.

86Molly3028
gen. 15, 2:41pm

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/us/eugene-goodman-capitol-police-congressional-go...
Lawmakers want to award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Capitol Police officer who lured rioters away from the Senate chambers

AMEN

87davidgn
gen. 15, 2:48pm

88davidgn
Editat: gen. 15, 7:06pm

OK, so either Mike Lindell (Mr. My Pillow -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1CJxhaBcbg ) is merely shit-disturbing to sell more pillows (my preferred theory), or some sort of actual plot is in the works (if only in Lindell's head) and Mikey is allergic to OpSec. But either way, this is worrisome.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/mypillow-lind...
MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell brings notes to White House that suggest calling for ‘martial law if necessary’
It comes after Mr Lindell tweeted, then deleted, calls for Donald Trump to impose martial law in the seven battleground states that delivered Joe Biden the presidency

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/15/mike-lindell-mypillow-trump-whit...
Trump ally Mike Lindell of MyPillow pushes martial law at White House
Photographer snaps pictures of notes near West Wing
Visible words include ‘Move Kash Patel to CIA Acting’

89Molly3028
Editat: gen. 16, 8:33am

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2141492/qanon-supporters-trump-morse-code-message-v...
SECRET MESSAGE CONSPIRACY Desperate QAnon fans spout bogus claim Trump spoke to them in MORSE CODE

Trump is a cult hero for Twilight Zone groupies. It
is hard to reconcile the fact that this is year 2021
and GOP voters in two states actually gave wins to
QAnon reps. How can our nation thrive under
circumstances like this?

90MadeleineReed
gen. 16, 8:38am

S'ha suprimit aquest usuari en ser considerat brossa.

91davidgn
Editat: gen. 16, 4:12pm

Round 2 on the way?

Man arrested at DC checkpoint with loaded handgun and fake inauguration credentials
Police discover more than 500 rounds of ammunition at checkpoint into security-heavy capital
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dc-arrest-capitol-...

92Molly3028
gen. 16, 4:24pm

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/534250-in-calling-out-trump-nikki-haley-...
In calling out Trump, Nikki Haley warns of a more sinister threat

Haley is actually signaling to her fellow GOPers
that she has first dibs on the QAnon-like voting
blocks in 2024!

93librorumamans
gen. 17, 12:46am

The Guardian:
Officers in Washington DC arrested a Virginia man who tried to pass through a Capitol police checkpoint carrying fake inaugural credentials, a loaded handgun and more than 500 rounds of ammunition.
The man, identified in court papers as Wesley Allen Beeler, was driving a pickup truck with several firearm-related bumper stickers, including one that read: “If they come for your guns Give ‘Em your bullets first,” the papers said.
Is it possible my age exceeds his IQ?

94kiparsky
gen. 17, 1:01am

>93 librorumamans: Apparently it was an an honest mistake.

See, he was just going to work, at a "security job", and he was running late, and he forgot that he had his firearm in his truck, see.

95librorumamans
Editat: gen. 17, 1:19am

>93 librorumamans:

Ah yes, of course. I also find it prudent to provide myself with a forged inaugural pass as I go about my business. You can never know when you may come across an inauguration blocking the road.

96kiparsky
gen. 17, 2:15am

>95 librorumamans: Indeed. Plus, you never know when you're going to need hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Be prepared!

97Molly3028
Editat: gen. 17, 7:19am

The 80k voters who flipped the Electoral College to
Trump in 2016 and the 74 million voters who
voted for him in November handed him a free let-
the-rioting-begin license. Are they happy, now?

98MsMixte
gen. 17, 8:31am

>94 kiparsky: He'd done security jobs before, and apparently he had used this 'pass' before, as he said the credential he was given had previously been enough to enter that area.

So we have a man who has been used as a security guard in Washington, DC, who now claims he doesn't know what the gun laws are in Washington, DC, with no good explanation of why he was attempting to enter a restricted area with 500 plus rounds of ammunition, a fully loaded and ready to fire handgun, and shotgun shells in his vehicle.

I am totally buying his story that it was all an innocent mistake.

99Molly3028
Editat: gen. 17, 12:23pm

Trump's goose is cooked. New video footage
which has been released on a daily basis shows
how terrifying the riot was on January 6. A
number of GOPers will have to vote for a
conviction in the Senate this time around. They
brought this on themselves by not taking the first
impeachment trial seriously.

100MsMixte
gen. 17, 12:35pm

>99 Molly3028: They are no longer afraid of trump. They are, however, deathly afraid of his cult members.

We've seen, right here, how there are people who blindly argued that the 'election was stolen', although most of those making the argument seem to have taken themselves to more fertile ground.

Those elected officials have only themselves to blame. They empowered those making death threats against them to have guns with virtually no restrictions placed on them. The NRA is still not classified as a terrorist organization, nor are the Proud Boys, the III% people, the Patriot Prayer groups, etc.

101lriley
gen. 17, 12:43pm

#99--apparently some of the insurgents who made it inside missed running into Mike Pence by about a minute. Would they have actually hanged him? It's a good question. Would they murder AOC or Pelosi if given the chance? The ten republicans who voted to impeach are all getting death threats. For Trumpista's you either believe Trump's unsubstantiated bullshit or you're subject to their wrath.

......and Biden coming into the Presidency doesn't necessarily mean these idiots are to disappear.

102kiparsky
gen. 17, 12:58pm

>101 lriley: Yeah, I had not connected the timestamps but apparently someone at the Post did - the Eugene Goodman episode happened about a minute after Pence went through the hallway that Goodman lured them away from.

I wonder if Pence is capable of understanding just how close he and his family came to the mob that his inaction helped to instigate, or just how bad the situation could have got if he'd delayed for another thirty seconds.

103Limelite
gen. 17, 1:29pm

If America is deeply divided into two camps it is the Democratic Party and the Anti-Democratic Party. I don't expect senators representing the Anti-Democrats will vote to impeach the godhead of their party.

I find it impossible to believe that the Anti-Dems who have believed all kinds of lies and fantasies about reality for four years because their godhead told them, "Only I know the truth," and denied facts, truth, and reality with all their being for that time can flip a switch and suddenly believe the death threats against them that their political base is delivering. Yet they seem to have done just that!

Being cowards through and through, they'll put the death threats before duty and vote "not guilty." When fate delivers you such a convenient excuse for an otherwise unconscienible vote, grab it by the. . .whatever.

104lriley
gen. 17, 3:42pm

#102--Death threats are flying around like nobody's business--one thing I wonder is if political murder is going to become part of the new calculus of American politics. It seems to me that a large part of the American right are already there. For them killing perceived political enemies might not be a big deal. If they'll murder someone like Pence--they'd certainly would murder Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, Biden, Harris. Trump's empowerment of all these gun rights supremacists have brought them right into the center of our political equation and there are numerous republican congresspeople and Senators and apparatchiks who now pander to them.

105Limelite
Editat: gen. 19, 4:14pm

Barbarians Behaving Badly

First Federal conspiracy charges filed against mob leader in Capitol attack. Thomas Edward Caldwell of Clarke County, Va., was arrested on Tuesday, Jan. 19, and is now facing four federal charges including "conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States. Not sure if this is a charge that equates to treason, but it sounds good enough to qualify.
U.S. authorities. . .allege that the U.S. Navy veteran helped organize a ring of what became 30 or 40 people who “stormed the castle” to disrupt the electoral vote confirmation of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
The FBI released quotes from 3-4 messages he sent to fellow travelers, including a video clip from inside the Capitol.
Accompanying the disturbing clip, he wrote, "us storming the castle. Please share. Sharon (unidentified companion) was right with me! I am such an instigator! She was ready for it man! Didn't even mind the tear gas."

"Proud boys scuffled with cops and drove them inside to hide. Breached the doors. One guy made it all the way to the house floor, another to Pelosi's office. A good time," Caldwell said. Shortly after making that remark, Caldwell added, "We need to do this at the local level. Lets sic storm the capitol in Ohio. Tell me when!"
Additional hair-raising quotes are included in the article (not behind firewall), including this one,
The FBI said without elaboration that it also recovered a document titled, “Making Plastic Explosives from Bleach,” redacting the instructions in a photo exhibit.

1062wonderY
gen. 19, 4:59pm

Texan, Guy Reffitt, threatened to shoot his children if they reported him.

“If you turn me in, you’re a traitor and you know what
happens to traitors...traitors get shot.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/19/capitol-rioter-reffitt-threaten...

107kiparsky
gen. 20, 4:03pm

Looks like Vanilla ISIS is starting to turn on its former hero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/technology/proud-boys-trump.html
After the presidential election last year, the Proud Boys, a far-right group, declared its undying loyalty to President Trump.

In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.


I mean, they're not wrong on that last point... except maybe in the choice of the future tense...

108LolaWalser
gen. 20, 5:16pm

Those guys ruined that Seinfeld episode where sexual abstinence made George a genius.

109Molly3028
gen. 21, 2:21pm

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-leader-mccarthy-calls-for-bipartisan-commissio...
GOP Leader McCarthy Calls for Bipartisan Commission to Investigate Allegations of Members Helping Rioters

110Limelite
gen. 21, 3:55pm

>109 Molly3028:

Be careful for what you "call" for, Mr. Minority Leader. While McCarthy's desire could be to vilify the FBI, or perhaps try to frame Democrats in the House with having suppressed inside info, he's more likely to find himself being investigated, deposed, and even defending himself.

111Molly3028
Editat: gen. 26, 4:35pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/26/tucker-carlsons-fallacious-at...
Tucker Carlson stands up for QAnon supporters

TC is a typical FOX News prime-time moron ~ Terrorists around the world don't have to attack America if we allow home-grown terrorists to destroy our democracy from within!!!

112Limelite
gen. 26, 11:53pm

"I went to a business meeting and a riot broke out." Oh, Yeah?

Arizona lawmakers who were in D.C. during Capitol riot, will not provide emails or text messages about their travel to Washington, D.C.
The Arizona Republic asked the state House of Representatives to provide any such messages from Rep. Mark Finchem, R-Oro Valley, and then-Rep. Anthony Kern, R-Glendale, under public records laws.

. . .responding through a private attorney, and not the House, the duo said they would not turn over any records that are on their “personal devices,” arguing that these are not public records.

. . . ongoing FBI investigation into the storming of the U.S. Capitol (added that), "the threat of criminal prosecution gives rise to certain Constitutional rights that may overcome the duty to disclose otherwise public documents under Arizona’s public records law.”

Arizona courts have ruled that records on a public official’s private device can be considered a public record if those records relate to public business and the phone was used for a public purpose.

House staff sent lawmakers an advisory earlier this month cautioning them against using personal devices for official business, as they would then have to disclose those records if they were requested.

Finchem and Kern both signed on to a "joint resolution" . . .arguing that Congress should not accept Arizona's electoral college votes. . .

Finchem said he had planned to deliver a letter to then-Vice President Mike Pence and meet with members of Congress, as well as speak at a protest that was also to include legislators from several states.

While the Capitol was under siege, he posted a photo on social media of a crowd on the steps of the building. . .
You tell me if Finchem's statements sound like a "defense" of his insurrectionist behavior by insisting he went to D.C. to do official business. Doesn't sound like that letter from a lawyer has any legs in face of a clear AZ court ruling and a warning from House staff.

Sure wouldn't want to be that lawyer and represent these two doofuses in an AZ court trying to fight for privacy privileges when they've already confessed that they were conducting public business. Nefarious or not, they went in their capacity as state legislators, the same capacity that they signed the "joint resolution" expressing their support of a conspiracy theory supported by other Trumpty-Dumbpty state lawmakers.

113Molly3028
Editat: gen. 27, 11:12am

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-trump-chief-of-staff-mark-meadows-dismisses-c...
Former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows Dismisses Capitol Insurrection as Not ‘Important to the American People’

Each and every day evidence is piling up that the Trump-era GOP must be nuked in order for our democracy to survive.

114Limelite
gen. 27, 9:43pm

Democrat in the House To File Resolution of Expulsion against Republican Rep., M. T. Greene of GA

Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-CA) announced Wednesday he plans to introduce a resolution to expel Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) from the U.S. House of Representatives after her execution threats against Democratic leaders online were revealed.
. . . said Congressman Gomez in a statement from his office. "Such advocacy for extremism and sedition not only demands her immediate expulsion from Congress, but it also merits strong and clear condemnation from all of her Republican colleagues, including House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. Her very presence in office represents a direct threat against the elected officials and staff who serve our government. . .
We all heard from Rep. AOC today how she was terrified to be locked down during the barbarian invasion of the Capitol in the same room with Republican reps because she feared they would "out" her if the mob started yelling and pounding outside where they hid and offer her up to be killed. Rightly so, AOC, rightly so.

115Molly3028
Editat: gen. 28, 8:37am

What could possible go wrong when bitter voters seek revenge???

About 80k voters flipped an election to a life-long con man and cult personality in 2016. A huge lie about an election outcome in 2020 appears to be bringing about the collapse of the con man's political party after a Capitol riot. A GameStop ponzi scheme may bring about a stock market crash. All of the above, and a pandemic, could bring about the collapse of a nation of 329+ million people in the 2020s.

116John5918
Editat: gen. 28, 11:04pm

California man arrested on weapons charges allegedly plotted attacks on Democrats (Guardian)

FBI says Ian Rogers also sent texts that could be seen as threats against the governor’s office and social media companies...

US prosecutors have charged a northern California man with stockpiling weapons, including pipe bombs, after dozens of arms were found during a raid on his home and office...

117Limelite
feb. 4, 11:01pm

Feds Are Throwing the Book at Violent Capitol Insurrectionists

Recent grand jury indictments connected to the U.S. Capitol attack show the feds aren’t messing around. The initial charges the Feds used to hold the insurrectionists they've captured in jail are undergoing a sea-change. Low-level misdemeanor charges are turning into serious felonies as they are presented to Grand Juries. Crimes that can result in major time spent in federal prison.
As the indictments come back, it appears as though felony charges are going to be the norm for many defendants. Their online bragging, disclosures during FBI interviews and searches of their property after their arrests are giving prosecutors what they need to secure felony indictments.

One common charge is obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting, in violation of Section 1512(c) of the U.S. Code. While 1512 is better known for its witness-tampering provisions, part of the law outlaws corruptly obstructing, influencing or impeding an official proceeding. The official proceeding in question here is the certification of the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6.
Strongly urge you not to miss reading the lengthy article linked above; the bulk of it is citations of individuals and the charges they now face for attempting to disenfranchise a majority of Americans who voted to turn out Trump and put a qualified candidate, Joe Biden, in his place in the WH.

These people may have come to Washington to act out a delusion based on a diet of lies. But most of them will go to prison to learn what the meaning of "is" is.

118Limelite
feb. 11, 6:11pm

If These Aren't Domestic Terrorists, Then Who Is?

‘Wolverine Watchmen’ plotted to kidnap & kill Michigan governor

119lriley
feb. 11, 8:59pm

#117---it's not surprising really. You get the Feds on you and you're fucked. It's not worth their time to go easy on any of these clowns and they're going to exert maximum pressure on those they give a break too. Those who like to play weekend right wing warrior better get their fucking heads down.

120Limelite
feb. 13, 4:11pm

Weaselly Terrorist Parents Beg for Mercy for MAGA-mad Terrorist 18 yr-old Son

While Trump is being tried in absentia for inciting a treasonous insurrection in the US Senate, one of his supporters was in federal court in Georgia asking for his son to be released from federal custody after the 18-year-old was charged with shoving an officer during the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Joseph Cua and his wife took their 18-year-old son, Bruno Cua, to the nation’s capital in January because they ― like millions of Americans ― believed the conspiracy theories about a stolen election being floated by the former president.
Joseph Cua attempted to convince a federal magistrate that his son should be remanded to him and his wife for custody at home instead of sent to jail. He declared that he was embarrassed by and should have known better than to believe the Big Lie and he felt responsible for bringing his son to the Capitol.

But Prosecutor, Karim Buchanan, would have none of it.
“I don’t believe that home incarceration would work because he’s an 18-year-old who’s home schooled,” Buchanan said. The things that Bruno Cua had ingested, not only from the internet but from his parents, led him to the attack on the Capitol.

“He went up to D.C., his parents went with him, and then he committed multiple felonies there,” Buchanan said. “The idea that this is some type of learning experience for him ... the danger he poses has not been mitigated. The danger he poses, I believe, is mitigated with him in custody.”

Chief Magistrate Judge Alan J. Baverman agreed.

Bruno Cua, he ruled, would be held in custody until his trial. He would be sent back to D.C., where he’ll face trial for his crimes. . .
Mr. and Mrs. Cua and their son are being taught that home schooling a dependent terrorist is a shameful (and expensive) proposition, and unfit parenting.
Baverman said, “I have to say this is the first time in a number of years in a non-family drug case where his parents were, maybe not instigators, but aiders and abettors and didn’t take steps to stop their child from going off the rails.”
Only a little less reprehensible behavior than, but essentially the same as, their "savior" Donald Trump's.

121davidgn
Editat: feb. 13, 8:33pm

>118 Limelite: I think these guys need to be issued wolverines in their jail cells. To, you know, watch.

122Limelite
feb. 13, 9:47pm

123lriley
feb. 14, 2:40pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nine-capitol-rioters-were-charged-143856006.html

Of the 200 odd Capitol rioters already arrested by the Feds it turns out that at least 9 have histories of sexual assault--abusing women.

So taking a look at the arrested there are numerous Proud Boys--some 3%'ers and oathkeepers, a couple Boogaloos---all pretty much right wing militia. A few well known white supremacist and/or Neo-Nazi types. A few policemen too and a number of already convicted felons as well. At least a good half of these idiots were their own worst enemies with their own social media accounts and all die hard Trumper's, Q people or militia types.

.....and despite all the lying narratives from the right no evidence of Antifa or Black Lives Matter activists involved in trying to overthrow the government.

124librorumamans
feb. 14, 9:34pm

>123 lriley:

Only nine?

125lriley
feb. 15, 3:30am

#124--nine they know of. That's 4% of the total arrested anyway that have been documented. Keep in mind also that some of the arrested are women too.

126margd
Editat: feb. 15, 7:45am

And six 'Oath Keepers' who invaded Capitol were guarding Roger Stone on the 5th and 6th of January. Hope FBI questions them closely. If Stone had anything to do with invasion, Trump's narrowly written executive clemency would not protect him. https://www.justice.gov/file/1349096/download

I wonder, too, if Stones Oath Keepers' were among the cellphones in the small group NOT at the ELLIPSE, who descended on Capitol independent of the rally.

127margd
Editat: feb. 15, 9:56am

Wendy Wills @WendyWillsTX | 11:44 PM · Feb 14, 2021:
https://twitter.com/WendyWillsTX/status/1361174607512940545

This (image) is seared in (my brain forever). They still haven't found the guy that gouged out the police officer's eye.

Does anyone recognize this man? Call FBI, Most Wanted
1-800-225-5324 or submit a tip online at http://tips.fbi.gov.
or call your local FBI

Photograph #150 - AFO
Image ( https://twitter.com/WendyWillsTX/status/1361174607512940545/photo/1 )
Image ( https://twitter.com/WendyWillsTX/status/1361174607512940545/photo/2 )

128librorumamans
Editat: feb. 15, 12:00pm

>125 lriley:

My caustic remark was a reaction to the notion that only nine had histories of sexual assault. While I acknowledge that history properly speaking involves documentation, and this sort of documentation involves formal complaint, my jaundiced view is that violence, explicit or threatened, forms the basis of interpersonal interactions for many of the misfits smashing, beating, and defecating their way through the Capitol.

129margd
feb. 15, 12:33pm

Deplorable, all right...

Scott MacFarlane @MacFarlaneNews | 10:37 AM · Feb 15, 2021:
THREAD: Some horrors are described in a court filing against alleged US Capitol insurrectionist Michael Lopatic of Lancaster, PA. He's accused of "pummeling" a DC police officer as that officer attempted to save a wounded colleague
Image ( https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1361338824589275140/photo/1 )

He allegedly grabbed the officer by the head and threw uppercut punches
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1361338827420430340/photo/1

Then... amid the savage fight.... he allegedly stole the officer's body-worn camera. Showing "the foresight to traverse an angry mob to take what would have been a crucial piece of evidence in bringing those who attacked officers... to justice"
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1361338830067019777/photo/1

In a request to a federal judge to keep Lopatic in custody, the US Justice Dept showed this November 4th Facebook post allegedly made by Lopatic ===> https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1361338833762140167/photo/1

Citing Lopatic's "wish to do harm to government officials" and "the fact that he has access to firearms".... the feds sought court order to keep Lopatic detained pending future hearings. Case is being transferred to DC. No response yet to my inquiries to his defense lawyer

130lriley
feb. 15, 6:20pm

#128---point taken and I agree with where you're going with this.

131Limelite
Editat: feb. 24, 2:49pm

The Justice Dept. and FBI will hopefully mount an enforcement assault on armed gangs who style themselves militias. Just the way they went after the Mafia and organized crime 50 years ago. Not excepting the capo dei capi, Trump.

Zero tolerance domestic terrorist war seems called for after what those types put us through.

132John5918
feb. 23, 11:22pm

Security officials testify Capitol rioters 'came prepared for war' (BBC)

US Capitol security officials who were ousted in the wake of the 6 January attack on Congress have blamed intelligence failures for the breach. Testifying to a Senate committee, the officials said that the rioters "came prepared for war" with weapons, radios and climbing gear. Ex-Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said he had prepared for a protest, not "a military-style coordinated assault"...


US Capitol rioters ‘came prepared for war’, Senate hears in testimony (Guardian)

Testifying on Tuesday in the first congressional hearing on the US Capitol attack, the chief of Capitol police who resigned over the riot said the pro-Trump mob which stormed the building “came prepared for war”...

Merrick Garland..., Joe Biden’s nominee for attorney general said he would expand the criminal investigation into the 6 January assault, telling Congress domestic terrorism is a greater threat to American democracy than it has been for decades. Before the Senate judiciary committee, Garland described the insurrection of Trump supporters and white supremacists as “a heinous act that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy”. He said his first act if confirmed would be to focus on domestic terror...

133Molly3028
Editat: feb. 24, 7:32am

https://www.mediaite.com/news/liz-cheney-says-gop-needs-to-make-clear-after-riot...
Liz Cheney Says GOP Needs to Make Clear After Riots That ‘We Aren’t the Party of White Supremacy’

The facts belie her wishful thinking ~
Trump, a majority of GOP reps and wingnut radio and TV hosts have decided they want the modern-day GOP to be a white nationalist/supremacy party. The FOX News prime-time hosts illustrate that fact five nights every single week.

Demography is destiny, however!

134Molly3028
Editat: feb. 25, 12:40am

https://news.yahoo.com/amy-klobuchar-shuts-down-ron-221500468.html
Amy Klobuchar shuts down Ron Johnson's conspiracy mongering at Capitol attack hearing

Fortunately, none of the lies that GOPers spew about the 1/6 Capitol rampage will stand the test of time. Videos and audios recorded on that date are going to be available for everyone on the globe to see for generations to come.