Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #85

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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #85

1jasbro
Editat: ag. 11, 2022, 6:59 pm

THIS THREAD is for LibraryThing Members, and especially for “beginners,” to ask help and learn about combining and separating specific LibraryThing Works.
-- If a book is combined with other, very different books.
-- If a book won’t combine with others just like it.
-- If problems with any Work are overwhelming, or maybe you just don’t have time.

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WHEN YOU POST:
-- Please give Titles, Authors, hyperlinks, and other information that will help.
-- If you post multiple requests at once, please number each group. Examples:

“Please combine:
#1: The Story of the Life of You
http://www.librarything.com/work/AAAAAAAA
http://www.librarything.com/work/BBBBBBBB
#2: The Story of the Life of Everyone Else
http://www.librarything.com/work/XXXXXXXX
http://www.librarything.com/work/YYYYYYYY
http://www.librarything.com/work/ZZZZZZZZ


-- Ask about sets of Works or Series pages, ask for opinions, or ask for help with specific languages, subjects, etc.; but please be brief.
-- Please do not give Search pages, Author pages, or groups of “possibles,” unless you have a specific question.
-- “Someone will be with you shortly.” Most requests are handled by our fellow LibraryThing Members, not by staff.
-- If you add to a post, please use “ETA:” or “EDIT:” to show what’s new.
-- Please note when a request is “DONE.”

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NOTES:
-- If two works have more than 200 records each, LibraryThing staff may need to do the combining. Please post these requests to: http://www.librarything.com/topic/336979.
-- For information and discussion, but not problems, please see the Combiner’s Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164 .
-- For the related wiki page, please see: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Book_combining .
-- Please note Tim’s Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for Contacting Members about Book Records at http://www.librarything.com/topic/30795#469616 ; if you contact another Member, please use Private Comment.
-- When this thread reaches 200 posts, please do not post here but start a new Thread. Threads under 200 posts load faster and are easier to navigate. Please copy these notes as post #1 of the new thread. Thank you.

2jasbro
ag. 11, 2022, 1:30 pm

Our "For the related wiki page" link above is bRoKeN ... Anybody have a lead on a suitable substitute link? Thanks!

5jasbro
ag. 11, 2022, 7:00 pm

>3 bnielsen:, >4 FAMeulstee: Thank you both!

6cthulhuslibrarian
ag. 11, 2022, 8:25 pm

Continuing from the previous thread...

Thanks to Nevov and r.orrison for helping out on my combining issues with https://www.librarything.com/work/28626904

There are at least 2 more volumes coming in this series. Seeing that every volume that I created after the initial volume was combined with the first in the series, how can I avoid this in the future? Should I not include the first half of the title, "The Valley Out of Time:", and then edit the title after the work has been created? Any other tips to avoid the new volume being automatically combined and then me separating it and ending up with the same problem again?

7MarthaJeanne
Editat: ag. 11, 2022, 9:07 pm

The autocombiner ignores everything after a colon (:). However, in this case, avoiding : won't help, because The Valley Out of Time is too long. If you want the series name in the title, you will have to separate.

8Nevov
ag. 11, 2022, 9:55 pm

>6 cthulhuslibrarian:
> Should I not include the first half of the title, "The Valley Out of Time:", and then edit the title after the work has been created?

That does usually succeed. It will leave a trace remnant in the editions showing what you originally submitted it as, with (0 copies), so if you do this route, and see this happen, it's intentional and means if another person submits under that title, the autocombiner should correctly pull their copy into the work.

Or as >7 MarthaJeanne: describes, main thing is being aware such titles are liable to get combined, submit it and then separate. It's no sin or anything, to get autocombined, if you want your title a certain way then that's your prerogative.

9karenb
ag. 15, 2022, 1:50 pm

Zero-copy work also has zero editions, so it needs someone with superpowers to combine:

https://www.librarything.com/work/11850295
https://www.librarything.com/work/11850300

Thanks!
KB

10r.orrison
ag. 15, 2022, 6:38 pm

11bluepiano
ag. 17, 2022, 5:49 am

Description of the work is for the film, reviews are for the book with the same title. I don't know was this a simple error or whether entries for film are mixed in with those for the book.
https://www.librarything.com/work/396822/41941830

And sorry to ask this again but how to combine series? (i.e. publisher's series listed on this page are one & the same: https://www.librarything.com/work/28671205/book/222886158. Thanks.

12MarthaJeanne
Editat: ag. 17, 2022, 8:09 am

>11 bluepiano: I flagged the top description as being for a different work. I also did work relationship to the video.

13scott_beeler
ag. 17, 2022, 10:29 am

>11 bluepiano: For the "how to combine series" question, on the series page under "Edit Series", "Relationships/Combine", it will list other series that overlap with the one you're on (which the two in this case do), and you can combine them.

14jasbro
ag. 17, 2022, 4:41 pm

>11 bluepiano:, >13 scott_beeler: Done (with apologies if there was reason not to ... )

15jasbro
Editat: ag. 21, 2022, 10:40 pm

Q timspalding: What do we do with these works? https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=%3DHYPERLINK%28%5C%22https%3A%2F%...

ETA: Let me rephrase that: These appear to include a member’s actual records, entered as hyperlink, to an audible.com version of specific works. If so, I presume they should be combined with each specific work, not held out or lumped together as some sort of anomaly.

Combiners! Can you help get each of these works where they belong? Is there any way to keep LT from proposing all of them as combining opportunities for any of them?

Thanks in advance …

16MarthaJeanne
ag. 22, 2022, 4:01 am

If they are all combined into their proper works, all those works will be considered combining opportunities for each of them.. Obviously, they should not be combined with each other, but it is tempting.

17I-_-I
ag. 24, 2022, 12:36 pm

Looks to me like William White #2 (not sure how to hyperlink WW #2 specifically) might be composed of more than author. Posting here in case someone feels like investigating.

18MarthaJeanne
ag. 24, 2022, 2:51 pm

>17 I-_-I: Well, I can see why you would think that, and it could still be the case, but LoC has all those books under the one author.

19I-_-I
ag. 24, 2022, 3:27 pm

>18 MarthaJeanne: I see. Thanks for checking!

20casvelyn
ag. 24, 2022, 4:31 pm

This book has two authors and so it's ended up with two records, one under one author and one under the other. What's the steps to combine the books? I tried some different things, but it looked like it was going to merge the authors into one person, so I didn't actually go through with anything.

https://www.librarything.com/work/28376424
https://www.librarything.com/work/27443566

Thanks!

212wonderY
ag. 24, 2022, 5:06 pm

>20 casvelyn: Done. Used the workbench and then added the author that didn’t show up.

22casvelyn
ag. 25, 2022, 9:18 am

>21 2wonderY: Thank you!!

23jonsweitzerlamme
ag. 26, 2022, 9:31 am

I'm fairly sure this is the right place for this question. I have this book: https://www.librarything.com/work/443234/workdetails/207587602 which is by " Arbeitsgemeinschaft Dreizehnter August". That name is too long, so it has a disambiguation page: https://www.librarything.com/author/arbeitsgemeinschaftd . As far as I can tell, neither my book nor my author show up on this page. However, when I go to "edit the division", my book was assigned to author 2 in 2015.

Wtf is going on?

24MarthaJeanne
ag. 26, 2022, 9:42 am

>23 jonsweitzerlamme: Your copy is listed with that author, but the work is listed as by Rainer Hildebrandt and Other authors have not been confirmed on the work page.

The German title had been listed as Canonical Title in English, so I fixed that.

25jonsweitzerlamme
ag. 26, 2022, 11:52 am

>24 MarthaJeanne: Perfect, I just swapped my authors. Thanks!

26Talvitar
set. 10, 2022, 5:53 am

I just added the Finnish translation of Conn Iggulden's "Gates of Rome" (part one of the Emperor series). At first glance, everything looked ok, but then I checked the Original Title and also the Series, and with both of them it shows "The Field of Swords" (the 3rd part of the series). I don't know where to start fixing this? The covers are mostly for this work, and on the Combine pages it also sort of looks ok. Could someone who knows what they're doing please take a look?
https://fi.librarything.com/work/53378/

27MarthaJeanne
set. 10, 2022, 7:14 am

Please tell us the Finnish title. Without that we can't do anything.

28FAMeulstee
Editat: set. 10, 2022, 7:35 am

>27 MarthaJeanne: It looks like the serie numbering is wrong, and Talvitar's book is correctly combined.
I tried to fix it, but it looks like someone else is working on it now, as my changes didn't stick.
Series: https://www.librarything.com/nseries/3195/Emperor
Finnish title: Keisari : Rooman portit

29FAMeulstee
set. 10, 2022, 7:35 am

>26 Talvitar: I think it is right now, I hope it stays this way.

30Talvitar
set. 10, 2022, 9:01 am

Thank you :)

31SaintSunniva
set. 14, 2022, 10:50 pm

Can someone fix this.
Mystery Tour https://www.librarything.com/work/1988632/book/8867027 by Anthony C. Wilson https://www.librarything.com/author/wilsonanthonycliffor does not show on the author page, I just realized.

This is a book I entered on LT in 2008. I did edit it slightly today, and clicked "Recalculate title/author", but it still doesn't show up on the author's page.

32AnnieMod
set. 14, 2022, 11:17 pm

>31 SaintSunniva: It was hiding under the C. Variant of the name so it needed to be assigned in the split. Should be all good now.

33SaintSunniva
set. 15, 2022, 8:58 pm

>32 AnnieMod: Thanks for the fix!

34FRZ
set. 23, 2022, 5:24 am

Hi. there's a book which has two different entries that should be merged into one. Those are the links:

https://www.librarything.es/work/24478780/book/225774053
https://www.librarything.es/work/24478780/book/225774068

35Nevov
set. 23, 2022, 7:09 am

>34 FRZ: Those two links have the same work number (24478780) so this one it looks like the combining is okay, but it might be that you have the book added twice in your library.

36AnnieMod
Editat: set. 23, 2022, 12:06 pm

>34 FRZ: In case you are used to Goodreads where books of the same edition show up as a single entry and when duplicates are found, you need to merge them (or request them to be merged), LT works a bit differently. We do not have an editions layer (despite the name on the page when you go to the work) - we have a book level (a single copy of the book) and a work level (all copies, in all languages (with some special exceptions)). Each book is on its own and then the site (with some manual help occasionally) combines them into works. If the entries are exactly the same, the editions layers will show them as x copies. Behind the scenes though, they are the same - this grouping is just the level at which we can move these between works. If they are not (and sometimes the difference is almost invisible to the eye), they show up on separate lines on the Editions level as they do here:
Crimen on the rocks/Vázquez, Alfonso/ISBN 8494239112 (2 copies separate)
Crimen on the rocks/Vázquez García, Alfonso/ISBN 8494239112 (2 copies separate)

The difference is the author name. That does not imply that they are different editions, it just means that LT sees a difference between the book data so it keeps them separate. They are already in one work as mentioned above so nothing more can be done.

37micahlindstrom
set. 24, 2022, 9:03 pm

Should https://www.librarything.com/work/26033987 and https://www.librarything.com/work/2817510 be combined? I tried adding them to workbench and combining, but there's a show-stopper "You must resolve the work-relationship issues before combining this title." I'm very new to LibraryThing so don't want to mess stuff due to not understanding it all.

38Stevil2001
set. 24, 2022, 9:12 pm

>37 micahlindstrom: As the disambiguation notice indicates, the first work contain the novel but also two short stories, so it's not the same work as the second, which is just the novel. Two works should only be combined if they are the same. (Broadly speaking, anyway.) The work-to-work relationship stops a work from being combined with a constituent part.

39micahlindstrom
set. 24, 2022, 9:41 pm

Thank you, that explains it! I didn't see any differences on the Works pages in the main descriptions, but now that you've said that I can see the "contains" section is different for them.

40MarthaJeanne
Editat: set. 25, 2022, 1:04 am

In CK there is a disambiguation notice : Collection published by Legend, containing the title novel and two short stories: "The Sentinel" and "Encounter in the Dawn"

Disambiguation notices are important for combiners.

41FRZ
Editat: set. 26, 2022, 5:40 pm

>35 Nevov:
>36 AnnieMod:
Thanks you both for your replies.
I Don't know if this is the place, but the author seems to be duplicated (I think this time it's true):
https://www.librarything.com/author/alfonsovzquez
https://www.librarything.com/author/vzquezalfonso

42Leath
set. 26, 2022, 5:49 pm

New to this type of issue, but I have two Goosebumps books from two different series and are very different books with similar titles. They are showing as separate editions of the same book. One is Creature Teacher from Series 2000. The other book is Creature Teacher: The Final Exam from Goosebumps Most Wanted series.

https://www.librarything.com/work/159932/book/226177129
https://www.librarything.com/work/159932/book/226177679

43MarthaJeanne
Editat: set. 26, 2022, 6:21 pm

>42 Leath: I think I have these separated.

There are also non-english editions. These are also separated, but I have no idea which work they should be combined into.

44jasbro
set. 27, 2022, 12:48 pm

>41 FRZ: Done.

45supersidvicious
Editat: oct. 14, 2022, 11:00 am

please combine this huge list of HYPERLINK works
https://www.librarything.it/combine.php?work=15948075

thanks

46MarthaJeanne
oct. 14, 2022, 11:12 am

>45 supersidvicious: Problema
Ops, qualcosa non va.

47aspirit
oct. 14, 2022, 12:13 pm

48AnnieMod
oct. 14, 2022, 12:15 pm

>47 aspirit: Import gone wrong most likely. These URLS contain actual data that allows us to see which book they are supposed to be so combining them together is not a good idea IMO.

49jasbro
oct. 16, 2022, 7:38 pm

>48 AnnieMod: Is it appropriate to combine individual "hyperlink" entries with their respective works?

50AnnieMod
oct. 16, 2022, 8:51 pm

>49 jasbro: They are meant to be that book - the fields just went weird - so I’d think so. :)

51Nevov
oct. 16, 2022, 11:32 pm

>49 jasbro: >50 AnnieMod: & anyone else helping, keep in mind that Audible makes audio dramatic adaptations as well as unabridged audio versions (and also original audio works), which would affect where each gets combined.

52AnnieMod
oct. 16, 2022, 11:41 pm

>51 Nevov: Yep and they also have some abridged titles. I’d usually check the asin on Amazon when it is there and obviously meant to be there (and not just choosing the closest sounding and then updating.

53Nevov
oct. 17, 2022, 12:05 am

>52 AnnieMod: The Audible site itself also usually helpfully indicates "Unabridged Audiobook", when it's that, at the end of the summary description on the item's listing near any series and category information. Most of them are that from what I'm seeing.

Bit annoying that the similarities will mean each of these gets continually suggested in future, as a potential combination of all the others, and no "never" way to tell the site to stop suggesting it.

54jasbro
Editat: oct. 17, 2022, 12:56 pm

>45 supersidvicious:, >46 MarthaJeanne:, >47 aspirit:, >48 AnnieMod:, >51 Nevov: I've done about a half dozen so far. Of those, each of Amazon's Audible edition listings reported they're unabridged. The only one I've not yet found is Secrets of the Brain, which Audible's UK site shows as a Scientific American edition, but I don't find any corresponding entry elsewhere (including LT). Further thoughts, suggestions, and assistance are welcome!

55AnnieMod
oct. 17, 2022, 1:11 pm

>54 jasbro: "Secrets of the Brain" is an audio-only publication - so it won't be here unless someone had added the audiobook. See https://www.librarything.com/work/27732380 for example for one of their other audio-only publications. Apparently noone yet added "Secrets of the Brain". I'd add a CN I think so if someone ever does, it can be found...

56FRZ
oct. 20, 2022, 9:36 am

Hi, these books are the same and should be combined:
Aventuras del caballero Rogelio de Amaral by Wenceslao Fernández Flórez

https://www.librarything.es/work/24442628
https://www.librarything.es/work/29051975

58FRZ
Editat: oct. 20, 2022, 10:38 am

>57 MarthaJeanne: Thanks.
Sorry for not using the same post. this work is tripled:
Volvoreta by Wenceslao Fernández Flórez
https://www.librarything.es/work/29102060
https://www.librarything.es/work/27458225
https://www.librarything.es/work/4551297

59Nicole_VanK
oct. 20, 2022, 11:23 am

60supersidvicious
oct. 21, 2022, 8:07 am

>46 MarthaJeanne: una sfida più che un problema

61Nooiniin
Editat: nov. 1, 2022, 6:29 am

Can anybody help me to split Frohe Weihnachten by Annegret Görres-Hafenmair? There are two editions by the same title and author but with different content.

62MarthaJeanne
Editat: nov. 1, 2022, 8:46 am

If there is no difference in the title or author and no ISBN, there is no way to separate the books. Both copies belong to you, so you can edit them to differentiate. Perhaps add the publication date to the titles? Once they are in different 'editions', they can be separated.

63TeresaHarmrs1
nov. 1, 2022, 7:51 am

S'ha suprimit aquest usuari en ser considerat brossa.

64Nooiniin
nov. 1, 2022, 4:49 pm

Ah, goody, that has done the trick! Thank you verý much, MarthaJeanne!

65Nevov
nov. 2, 2022, 9:06 am

>64 Nooiniin: Do you know what the difference between the two versions is? You could write that in the Disambiguation Notes now they are separated to help others to tell them apart in future. Eg. if one has a particular story or section that the other doesn't you could mention that.

66RobertHay
nov. 15, 2022, 9:10 pm

https://www.librarything.com/work/29226005/
https://www.librarything.com/work/8490

As far as I can tell there's no reason for the Modern Library to be separate from the main entry (and it seems there are already some ML editions in the main entry).

67jasbro
nov. 16, 2022, 12:07 am

68-o_o-
des. 2, 2022, 5:38 pm

The page for rap group The Roots includes at least two works that aren't theirs:
https://www.librarything.com/work/27372178
https://www.librarything.com/work/25196467
If anyone has time to sort this out :)

69karenb
des. 3, 2022, 2:16 am

>68 -o_o-:

I split the author, so fixed.

70libraian
Editat: des. 5, 2022, 9:36 am

I need a bit of help, please. I notice that the author S. Arumugam is a combination of two authors. One is actually Sanmugam Arumugam. I have split up the S. Arumugams (https://www.librarything.com/author/arumugams&recalculate=1&check=3140423023) but when I try to combine the author who wrote Water resources of Ceylon: its utilisation and development with Sanmugam Arumugam both S. Arumugams end up becoming combined. I hope that makes sense?

How do I just combine the relevant S. Arumugam with Sanmugam Arumugam?

71SandraArdnas
Editat: des. 5, 2022, 10:16 am

>70 libraian: You cannot combine a split author, all splits end up combined. In those cases you alias a split. Open 'edit the division' on the right on the split author page and you'll see a tab 'alias division to other authors'. Input the author code it is to be aliased to (last part of the author page web address, in this case arumugamsanmugam) and save.

If you prefer I can do it, but I thought you'd like to know what to do for the future.

72AnnieMod
Editat: des. 5, 2022, 10:17 am

>70 libraian: You cannot combine a split author - the combination works only for single authors - you can alias though (the menu is on the same page where you assign books to the split - there is an aliasing tab there). The alias will achieve almost the same (the books will also show up under the other author and the split part will appear under the name of the main author). Would you like to try or do you want me to?

73libraian
des. 5, 2022, 10:23 am

>71 SandraArdnas: >72 AnnieMod: Thank you both for the explanation. I'll give it a go first and see if it works.

74Cynfelyn
des. 5, 2022, 4:12 pm

Help please. While deleting some of the dozens and dozens of suggested "Combine with..." on Leonard Baskin's author page, I've gone and combined it with Robert Fagles's page, presumably by hitting "(combine)" rather than "(never combine)".

How do I undo this combination? Thanks.

75AnnieMod
Editat: des. 5, 2022, 4:23 pm

>74 Cynfelyn: https://www.librarything.com/author/faglesrobert/names or https://www.librarything.com/author/baskinleonard/names usually although that page can be a bit confusing - there was a canonical name messing up everything so you could not see Fagles's name properly.

The trick in such cases is to look at the titles and see which ones actually belong to whoever you are separating out. I think I separated them but see if anything still looks wonky.

76r.orrison
des. 5, 2022, 6:49 pm

>74 Cynfelyn: I've done that once or twice. I solved the problem by making sure to aim my mouse specifically at the word "never" when clicking, since when the combine / never combine links wrap from one line to the other it's easy to mis-read and click on the wrong link. It would help if the (combine) links disappeared when you've clicked "Never?". I also think it would help if all the suggested author combinations went away, only about 1 in 1000 are valid and I suspect that more invalid combinations are clicked accidentally than valid ones intentionally.

77libraian
des. 6, 2022, 9:35 am

>71 SandraArdnas: >72 AnnieMod: Okay, thank you. I managed to alias the division (I think).

Is there absolutely no way to combine the author for just that work to Sanmugam Arumugam? The other S. Arumugam seems to be a mathematician.

78MarthaJeanne
des. 6, 2022, 9:41 am

>77 libraian: I have fixed the aliasing so that it works.

79libraian
des. 6, 2022, 10:07 am

>78 MarthaJeanne: Thank you. You'll have to explain to me what I did wrong :0)

Does that mean I can go ahead and combine just that author without dragging in the two maths books?

80MarthaJeanne
Editat: des. 6, 2022, 10:33 am

>79 libraian: No! As long as there are two authors with the same name, they cannot be combined separately. However, if you now go to Sanmugam Arumugam you will see Water resources of Ceylon on the list.

You did not use the right bit of the URL. https://www.librarything.com/author/arumugamsanmugam. You needed the last bit, not the first bit. It's that last bit that says that you want this particular author.

81libraian
Editat: des. 6, 2022, 10:42 am

>80 MarthaJeanne: Ah, okay. Thank you.

ETA: In that case, can I change the name to Sanmugam Arumugam (for Water Resources) and then combine them? I've added it to my catalogue, but of course changing the name in Common Knowledge only reflects in my catalogue.

82Cynfelyn
des. 6, 2022, 3:57 pm

>75 AnnieMod: Very many thanks. It all looks good, except that Baskin's photograph (the b/w photo with a beard and a grandfather shirt) was left behind on Fagles's author page. I take it it's not possible to reallocate author pictures through the de-combining process.

I've added a correct photograph to each page, and messaged the original uploader of the left-behind photo to see whether they are willing to delete it. Otherwise, give it a few days before I flag the picture as now attached to the wrong author.

>76 r.orrison: I think there are getting to be more and more combination suggestions. In this case, Baskin, an illustrator, seems to have attracted masses of suggestions for authors and translators he had illustrated. I remember Homer and Beowulf were among those I deleted, besides some of the variations on Shelley, Seamus Heaney, Virgil and Pope (and Fagles) still left; none of them valid combinations. I agree, LT could do worse than tweak the parameters of the module that makes the suggestions.

83AnnieMod
des. 6, 2022, 4:10 pm

>82 Cynfelyn: That is one of the things that can happen in cases like that I am afraid - untangling a wrong combination is not always trivial. Most of the other stuff asks you to merge manually (links and CK and so on) post combination of authors (stranded links and stranded CK in Combinations Issues basically) but photos can become a pain. :(

84libraian
des. 9, 2022, 12:26 am

>80 MarthaJeanne: Sorry to belabour this, but is it possible to change the name for the author of Water resources of Ceylon to Sanmugam Arumugam and then combine it?

85SandraArdnas
des. 9, 2022, 12:38 am

>84 libraian: It is not possible to edit someone else's record, so S. Arumugam will be there as an author as long as someone has it entered that way. What you can do is confirm the full name version under 'other authors' on the work page. That would make the work appear under both, but since the two are aliased, this is already the case, so not sure it helps with what you have in mind.

86libraian
des. 9, 2022, 9:13 am

>85 SandraArdnas: Thanks; now I understand why I keep going in circles with this :0)

88AnnieMod
des. 19, 2022, 10:46 am

89supersidvicious
des. 19, 2022, 11:30 am

>88 AnnieMod: thank you

90Bookmarque
des. 26, 2022, 8:32 am

if there is a tutorial about the workbench, please point me to it. Infuriating.

I entered this radio drama - https://www.librarything.com/work/2215/book/231636475

Which of course got combined with Oliver Twist the novel proper novel.

91jjwilson61
des. 26, 2022, 3:11 pm

>90 Bookmarque: Of course it was. Anything after a colon is ignored by the auto-combiner

92Bookmarque
des. 26, 2022, 3:30 pm

I always forget that.

93AnnieMod
des. 26, 2022, 3:53 pm

>90 Bookmarque: You don’t really need the workbench for this but if you prefer to work from there: add the whole work in it, open the workbench and locate your edition and press separate next to it. Then look at the top and separate from there and confirm on the next page (if it is a single edition/line you want to pull, it is faster to just push separate on the editions page - then the second step does not happen as it immediately separates and sends you to the confirmation page. Going through a combination page (workbench, author page or in any other way) allows the disconnected lines/editions to stay together.

94Bookmarque
des. 26, 2022, 4:55 pm

I guess I was hoping the workbench would help me identify this one in that huge list. Alas...

95r.orrison
des. 26, 2022, 5:13 pm

I would add it to the workbench, then open the workbench and search (using the browser's built-in search function, usually Ctrl+F) for audible and click separate by that edition. Repeat for all the audible editions (assuming they're all the same, which I suppose the probably aren't). That will bring all those editions into a list at the top of the page, then you can click the separate button there to separate all them from the main work, and put them together into one work.

96Bookmarque
des. 26, 2022, 5:15 pm

Yup, that's what I ended up doing and I think I'm on the right track. Kinda.

97AnnieMod
Editat: des. 26, 2022, 5:22 pm

>95 r.orrison: Except that most Audible editions are straight readings and they should stay with the novel and not get separated. :) only the dramatizations and abridgments need to be pulled out.

So careful when pulling out editions out, especially for the classics. There are a lot of editions in various formats and moving the readings with the radio play is as bad as having the radio play with the main work.

98Bookmarque
Editat: des. 27, 2022, 4:31 pm

I thought it separated when I did the work last night, but my Mendes audible original is magically combined with the original novel again. I give up.

Ok, now it's not again. This is insane.

99karenb
des. 27, 2022, 5:03 pm

>98 Bookmarque: Add a Relationship to the two works to keep them separate: relationship options include abridgement and adaptation.

100AnnieMod
Editat: des. 27, 2022, 5:34 pm

>99 karenb: >98 Bookmarque:

Yes - always add a relationship after you separate in such cases or someone will “helpfully” combine them for you. Disambig note works sometimes but these get easily ignored. Relationship needs to be broken before they can be combined. :) I’d usually do both - a relationship and a disambig note with the details of what this is exactly.

101waltzmn
des. 27, 2022, 5:56 pm

>100 AnnieMod: Yes - always add a relationship after you separate in such cases or someone will “helpfully” combine them for you. Disambig note works sometimes but these get easily ignored. Relationship needs to be broken before they can be combined. :) I’d usually do both - a relationship and a disambig note with the details of what this is exactly.

The problem with relationships is that sometimes the relationships available just don't apply. I'll give an example at the end of this post (from a Combiners post that I did earlier -- "A Manual of the Writings in Middle English: Advice Requested" -- which is why I'll post it at the end as an appendix).

There simply is no relationship defined that in any way explains the actual relation between the John Edwin Wells single volume Manual of the Writings in Middle English 1050-1400 and the ten-volume Burke Severs and Albert E. Hartung A Manual of the Writings in Middle English 1050-1500 (which I can't post a touchstone for because it isn't a single book).

The Severs/Hartung volumes were inspired by -- almost a homage to -- the Wells book, and used its system of citations to a substantial extent, but they aren't the Wells book, and are entirely by different authors. They are intended as a replacement for Wells based on later, up-to-date knowledge.

This perhaps should be considered a feature request, but we need something like an "Other (specify)" relationship type. That would deal with the "inspired by" types, and all the goofball things I need to deal with for, say, the Canterbury Tales -- critical collections of variants (Variorum Chaucer), facsimile editions (photographs of the Hengwrt manuscript), diplomatic editions (text of the Ellesmere manuscript, in modern type), commentary manuscripts with some tales omitted, modernizations of various degrees... the relationship types just aren't in the set.

Here is the relevant part of the post about the Wells/Severs/Hartung books, posted November 29, 2022 (FWIW, after I got my answer, I worked on the books to try to get them straightened out. I couldn't get it all fixed; it was just too complicated, and in some cases I couldn't tell which book was which):

This pertains to a series of books (series in the publisher's sense, not in the LibraryThing sense) entitled A Manual of the Writings in Middle English 1050-1500.

There is some history here. The original was a single big volume with a series of supplements. The book was A Manual of the Writings in Middle English 1050-1400 by John Edwin Wells.

This book was so good and useful that eventually it was decided that there was need for a replacement -- not an expansion, an actual replacement. This was the aforementioned A Manual of the Writings in Middle English 1050-1500. (Note, among other things, the expanded date range.)

This was a major project; instead of a single author, it became a ten volume series with two editors, Burke Severs (who edited the first two volumes) and Albert E. Hartung (who did the rest of the released volumes).

This series is "Based on" the Wells book, but it is not the Wells book.

102AnnieMod
des. 27, 2022, 6:02 pm

>101 waltzmn: Then “when possible” and the disambig note will need to carry the weight in the remaining cases. It should be always attempted - separate, try to set relationship, add disambig note.

103norabelle414
des. 27, 2022, 6:07 pm

>101 waltzmn: The different types of relationships don't have different functionality, so you could always pick something generic like "is an adaptation of" and then explain more in the disambiguation notice.

104waltzmn
des. 27, 2022, 6:14 pm

>102 AnnieMod: >103 norabelle414:

I truly would never have thought of that. (I'm autistic, and don't tell lies, and that's at least technically a falsehood.) But it makes sense. Thank you.

105Nevov
des. 27, 2022, 9:17 pm

>104 waltzmn: "Was inspired by" is a rather good catch-all for relationships when one work is some kind of derivative of the other but not an adaptation.

106waltzmn
des. 28, 2022, 4:03 am

>105 Nevov: "Was inspired by" is a rather good catch-all for relationships when one work is some kind of derivative of the other but not an adaptation.

I agree, but I can't make it happen. :-)

107Nevov
des. 28, 2022, 11:19 am

>106 waltzmn:
>I can't make it happen. :-)

We might be talking at cross-purposes. I wasn't mentioning it as a new idea for the site, I was saying that if you don't think adaptation is an appropriate relationship, then "Was inspired by" might be better to select, this being one of the other options in the list.
The wiki page has the full list with examples: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/HelpThing:Work/Relationships

108waltzmn
des. 28, 2022, 12:32 pm

>107 Nevov: We might be talking at cross-purposes.

No, I was just forgetting what was possible. :-) Thank you.

109vancouverdeb
gen. 1, 2023, 5:25 am

This author https://www.librarything.com/author/cookecj-1 is the same as this author of this book https://www.librarything.com/work/28627094 . I know this because I own both books, https://www.librarything.com/work/26909299

I'd appreciate if someone can put the books with the one author. I tried and I think it said - too much love or something. Thanks!

110MarthaJeanne
Editat: gen. 1, 2023, 5:45 am

>109 vancouverdeb: I have moved that book to C. J. Cooke (1) under Author division. The other two unassigned books were by author 2.

111AnnieMod
gen. 1, 2023, 5:43 am

>109 vancouverdeb: If you tried to combine the books (the only place where that error message shows up), then it is a good thing they had enough copies to cause the block to happen - combining two different books into one work is definitely not what you want to do here. That would mean that the book is the same (with different title) as opposed to being from the same author. :) It needed to be assigned to the proper split - which MarthaJeanne managed to do between me looking at the author and going for the edit. :)

112vancouverdeb
gen. 1, 2023, 6:51 am

>111 AnnieMod: Thanks for the information. I was trying to combine the authors . Thanks to you and MarthaJeanne for combining and splitting the authors . Appreciated!

113rocketjk
gen. 11, 2023, 8:04 pm

I'm not sure how to combine these two versions of the same book (though one version is in French). These are the two Main Page links for How Sleeps the Beast by Don Tracy.

https://www.librarything.com/work/25918512/summary/194746407
https://www.librarything.com/work/214525/summary

Seems a bit unusual to me.

114AnnieMod
Editat: gen. 11, 2023, 8:13 pm

>113 rocketjk: Look at the bottom right side of the work page - you are looking for Add to Workbench. Add both works into the workbench and then open the workbench to combine. Or I can do it for you if you prefer?

115rocketjk
gen. 11, 2023, 10:46 pm

>114 AnnieMod: Thanks. I'll give it a try in the morning.

116AnnieMod
gen. 11, 2023, 10:56 pm

>115 rocketjk: Have fun. Post back if you would like someone else to fix it. :)

117MarthaJeanne
gen. 12, 2023, 1:52 am

Of course, you can also do it from the author page.

118rocketjk
gen. 12, 2023, 1:32 pm

>116 AnnieMod: When I tried Add to Workbench, I couldn't complete the task, because there was already another book on the Workbench. I didn't see how to work around that.

>117 MarthaJeanne: This worked. Thanks.

119AnnieMod
Editat: gen. 12, 2023, 1:34 pm

>118 rocketjk: You can have as many books as you want in the workbench. You don’t need to combine them all together once they are in the workbench. they just show up on an interface allowing combining later on.

120r.orrison
gen. 12, 2023, 1:37 pm

>118 rocketjk: I didn't see how to work around that.
When you're in the workbench you can click the little - next to a work to remove it from the workbench, or click Clear workbench to remove all the works from it to start over.

121rocketjk
gen. 12, 2023, 2:00 pm

>120 r.orrison: Thanks. Next time.

122supersidvicious
gen. 22, 2023, 6:28 am

a lot of HYPERLINK("https://audible.co.uk/

https://www.librarything.it/combine.php?work=43036

123MarthaJeanne
gen. 22, 2023, 6:58 am

That link does not work from .com.

124karenb
Editat: gen. 22, 2023, 8:37 am

>123 MarthaJeanne: It's easy to log into the Italian LT. And yeah, that's a lot of links. No idea what it means.

Same can be seen on the main site, here:
https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?work=43036

125karenb
gen. 22, 2023, 8:43 am

>124 karenb: It's the Combine Potentials page. That one work (43036) has a ton of Audible links. Other works I've checked don't seem to have that problem.

126norabelle414
gen. 22, 2023, 10:22 am

Probably someone had a bad import (trying to import from Audible, maybe). Combined with this bug: https://www.librarything.com/topic/297855 where there are way too many suggested combinations, it looks like a mess.

127mene
Editat: gen. 22, 2023, 2:02 pm

Aquest missatge ha estat suprimit pel seu autor.

128MarthaJeanne
Editat: gen. 22, 2023, 2:06 pm

Aquest missatge ha estat suprimit pel seu autor.

129jasbro
Editat: gen. 22, 2023, 4:36 pm

>122 supersidvicious:, >123 MarthaJeanne:, >124 karenb:, >126 norabelle414: We've had this conversation before on this thread, with some insight but apparently not much progress. See messages 15 & 16 above (starting at https://www.librarything.com/topic/343462#7911423) and messages 45-55 above (starting at https://www.librarything.com/topic/343462#7953849). But for MarthaJeanne's word to the wise (https://www.librarything.com/topic/343462#7911513), the consensus seems to be (a) first check whether the Audible edition is a dramatic adaptation or abridged, then (b) combine or re-title and disambiguate accordingly. I expect it'll be a long, hard slog to get them each matched up with its corresponding, "real" work. Best get started?

130SaintSunniva
gen. 26, 2023, 3:22 pm

I wondered if anyone would like to tackle the author page of Sono Ayako. https://www.librarything.com/author/2240053328

A few of her books are translated into English (like this 2021 edition of Miracles, a novel) translated by Kevin M. Doak, and then there are lots and lots of one-and-two copy titles in Japanese characters that I wouldn't dare touch, but I have a feeling there's a pile of combining that could be done.

131gaytheater
Editat: feb. 5, 2023, 9:58 pm

Aquest missatge ha estat suprimit pel seu autor.

132AnnieMod
feb. 5, 2023, 9:51 pm

>131 gaytheater: You cannot control who becomes the main author - the system picks the author with the most books basically. What you can do when it is the wrong version is to use the canonical name to get the correct name to show at the top of the page.

133gaytheater
feb. 5, 2023, 10:38 pm

>132 AnnieMod: Thank you

1342wonderY
feb. 6, 2023, 11:11 am

Gah! Can someone separate the individual seasons from the complete collection of Warehouse 13, please? I bought a duplicate copy of season 5 because it was in the wrong place.

http://www.librarything.com/work/16943988/editions/

135AnnieMod
feb. 6, 2023, 11:30 am

>134 2wonderY: Unless someone pulled them out already
(which is very possible), these all seem to be just the complete series ones.

1362wonderY
Editat: feb. 6, 2023, 11:35 am

>135 AnnieMod: Yes, Simone worked fast! Thanks!

Someone

139Cynfelyn
feb. 7, 2023, 4:05 pm

https://www.librarything.com/author/brookesian

... contains works by Ian Brookes, a male English-language lexicographer and grammarian (and possibly one or more others, author(s) of the Film Noir and Howard Hughes books), and Sian Brooke, a female actor, including as Aemma Arryn in the Game of Thrones prequel House of the Dragon. Under the LT way of doing things, the two names share the same URL.

Is there a way to split Ian and Sian's names more fundamentally than just disambiguating between them?

140AnnieMod
feb. 7, 2023, 4:07 pm

>139 Cynfelyn: Nope.
As both names end up with the same string when you connect them as lastfirst, they share a page.

The only thing you can do is to split the author (bottom right side of the page, leads to https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=brookesian&page=assign)

141MarthaJeanne
feb. 7, 2023, 4:10 pm

Under Author division, you can split them.

For a similar case, see https://www.librarything.com/author/smithroberta

142Cynfelyn
feb. 7, 2023, 4:10 pm

>140 AnnieMod: Okay. Thanks.

143Cynfelyn
feb. 7, 2023, 4:27 pm

>140 AnnieMod: I'm guessing there's a reason you've just deleted the disambiguation notice?

144AnnieMod
Editat: feb. 7, 2023, 4:33 pm

>143 Cynfelyn: Oops - I was deleting the gender and swapped the disambig notice by mistake. I will recreate. Sorry :(

145AnnieMod
feb. 7, 2023, 5:03 pm

>143 Cynfelyn: >144 AnnieMod:
And done. Thanks for catching it! The Combination issues pinged for the gender and my brain shortcut a bit.

146superboy
Editat: feb. 10, 2023, 7:23 pm

I was working on a couple of dictionary series (specifically Oxford: Bilingual Dictionaries (education) and Oxford: Dictionaries & References for Schools) and I just wanted to confirm that I could combine different editions of, say, the Compact Oxford-Hachette French Dictionary.

147ElBarto
feb. 11, 2023, 11:40 am

Hi,

I don't have time for this task right now, so I'm posting this here in the hope that someone can help:

The German audiobook of Stephen King's The Stand, published by Lübbe Audio in 2012 (ISBNs: 978-3785749562 and 978-3838769660) and also available from Audible (ASIN: B00T5H5UKY), is currently combined with the 1978 abridged version (https://www.librarything.de/work/7773835). In fact, however, it should be combined with the unabridged version (https://www.librarything.de/work/1242461).

Best regards,
Michael

148jasbro
feb. 12, 2023, 6:35 pm

>146 superboy: I may be in a minority among Combiners! on LT, but given our focus on content as the determining consideration for combining or separating, I'm inclined to separate editions where we can and note their relationship, possibly in a series. (I grant that's not series' primary purpose.)

>147 ElBarto: These look to be fixed now; please confirm or advise. Thanks!

149supersidvicious
feb. 13, 2023, 6:34 am

150superboy
feb. 13, 2023, 2:30 pm

>148 jasbro: Thanks.

In that case, I'll leave them uncombined.

151ElBarto
feb. 16, 2023, 3:55 pm

>148 jasbro: Not completely, at least my edition (https://www.librarything.de/work/7773835/workdetails/234715164) is still combined with the wrong work

152jasbro
feb. 16, 2023, 4:37 pm

>151 ElBarto: How about now?

153humouress
feb. 21, 2023, 1:41 am

I was wondering if, for large series (eg 'Star Wars' or DK Readers) there is a quick way to add in sub-series as a whole without just merging them, which would lose the separate listing of the sub-series? Apart from going through and adding them one by one, of course.

154AnnieMod
març 1, 2023, 3:52 pm

If someone, especially someone who speaks/reads German, is looking for a project Heinrich Böll can use some assistance. I am slowly chipping at the most obvious things but there are a lot of works that need combinations, assigning, setting relationships and so on.

155AnnieMod
març 1, 2023, 3:53 pm

>153 humouress: Not really. The fastest may be to add them to the workbench and add into the other series from there but that's about it.

156humouress
març 2, 2023, 12:30 am

>155 AnnieMod: Okay, thanks.

157jasbro
Editat: març 6, 2023, 6:25 pm

>154 AnnieMod: Thanks for this. I'm partial to Heinrich Böll and will gladly help as I can. Any idea why he's currently on a disambiguation page that currently distinguishes between him (1) and himself (unknown)?

158AnnieMod
Editat: març 6, 2023, 6:29 pm

>157 jasbro: Read the disambig note? :) There is a #2 in there somewhere: Dutch(?) medical doctor apparently

https://www.librarything.com/work/10496074 had been on the page once upon a time causing the need for the page to be split. Now it is under https://www.librarything.com/author/blldrheinrich (which has a crazy disambig note that should be deleted I think...)

PS: Thanks for working on it. If you think all belong to our author, that makes it easier on assignments but not on combinations - that will be fun...

159SandraArdnas
març 6, 2023, 6:45 pm

>158 AnnieMod: I suspect that's one of those cases where Collectorator forced a primary author on a work so as to avoid split authors if at all possible. Both entries for that work have merely Heinrich Boll, no Dr in the name. Not sure how whoever works on this wants to treat it, but thought I'd mention. If left to calculated author name, there should still be a split.

160AnnieMod
març 6, 2023, 7:05 pm

>159 SandraArdnas: Yeah, I did not look more closely on how it left the split but I am not surprised. And then that note which was written by the same person makes even less sense. Oh well.

Sounds like the split needs to stand anyway...

161jasbro
Editat: març 6, 2023, 9:29 pm

>158 AnnieMod:, >159 SandraArdnas: Thanks again to you both. No, I hadn't noticed the disambig (mea culpa, mea culpa!), and given the apparent author's actual name on Sexuele Variaties, I'm not at all sure that they're all our author. I vote for deleting the crazy disambig on Dr. Heinrich Böll, "re-forcing" the author as stated in the work records, and properly distinguishing "our" Heinrich Böll (1) from the good Dutch Dr. Heinrich Böll (2). Just because I have no interest in the latter (not speaking nor reading Dutch, if no other reason) doesn't mean I should have to go hunting for a record that's not evident, as expected according to customary LT practices. Y'all's thoughts?

ETA: Without limitation, also see the Series, Heinrich Bölls Werke, https://www.librarything.com/nseries/353342/Heinrich-B%C3%B6lls-Werke

162humouress
Editat: març 6, 2023, 10:16 pm

Please advise: this https://www.librarything.com/work/12748465
seems to be an audio dramatisation of this https://www.librarything.com/work/253892

Should they be combined?

163AnnieMod
març 6, 2023, 11:52 pm

>161 jasbro: I vote yes for the disambig notice removal and for getting this poor record back to where one would expect to find it.

And I am fine with the series - I'd make it a publisher series just in case the same combination of works is published together again outside of that specific series but a regular series also works.

164AnnieMod
març 6, 2023, 11:55 pm

>162 humouress: I don't think that they should be combined - we don't combine the novel War and Peace and a BBC dramatization for radio; I don't think we should treat graphic novels and their audio-dramatizations differently just because it started as a comics and not as a novel.

165jasbro
març 7, 2023, 12:44 pm

166humouress
març 8, 2023, 9:32 pm

>164 AnnieMod: Fair enough. I wasn't sure because the wiki indicated it probably should, but I will leave it uncombined. Makes sense.

167AnnieMod
març 8, 2023, 9:36 pm

>166 humouress: Can you post a link to the wiki page that hints at that?

Graphic novels’ audio books are always dramatizations (or at least I cannot think of how it will work in a different way - if the art is unimportant and just reading is enough, it is an illustrated novel/story and not a graphic one/comics IMO). Audio versions that are the same as the text versions are combined; these things are adaptations basically and we never combine these. :)

168humouress
març 8, 2023, 9:47 pm

>167 AnnieMod: Huh; oddly, I can't find it at the moment. 🤗 Will look again.

169bluepiano
març 11, 2023, 5:38 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/2858/summary/236544782

Looks as if an edition with only Nettles might have been combined with ones containing other works as well. I know there's at least one other member whose book like my own has three novellas, as I took my cover from ones contributed by members. Thanks.

170MarthaJeanne
març 11, 2023, 5:45 am

171superboy
març 14, 2023, 10:02 am

I tried to separate two books which had been wrongly combined but the tags and covers ended up with the wrong book. Is it possible to move them?

https://www.librarything.com/work/29944721

and Mr Men Love by Roger Hargreaves

172MarthaJeanne
Editat: març 14, 2023, 10:10 am

Just wait. Getting covers and tags sorted out takes time. If you check the individual copies, they have the cover and tags. The work will catch up.

173superboy
març 14, 2023, 10:22 am

>172 MarthaJeanne: Okay, thanks.

174superboy
març 14, 2023, 10:26 am

Oh dear, this is embarrassing. I combined two series: Doedeldiedam with Timbuctoo and only after that I realised that 'Doedeldiedam' says it has just the first 12 books of 'Timbuctoo' translated from English to Dutch. So should they be combined or not?

175SandraArdnas
març 14, 2023, 10:53 am

>174 superboy: I think it depends on whether the works are the same. If the Dutch version doesn't have split volumes, different ordering or something else that would make the series page messy, it should be fine IMO.

176superboy
Editat: març 17, 2023, 4:35 pm

>175 SandraArdnas: Thanks. I'll leave them combined then.

177superboy
Editat: març 17, 2023, 4:30 pm

>172 MarthaJeanne: The covers are fine now but the tags are still for the wrong book. Can I do anything about that?

178AnnieMod
març 17, 2023, 4:44 pm

>177 superboy: Wait it out. May take a few days for tags.

179superboy
març 17, 2023, 4:49 pm

180prosfilaes
març 22, 2023, 8:01 pm

Moscow Circles by Venedikt Erofeev has an adapted by credit on it (to a one act play by Stephen Mulrine), but it seems clear that at least the bulk of the works are the unadapted version. Can someone more familiar with the subject separate out the plays and remove that adapter credit?

181jasbro
Editat: gen. 2, 2:34 pm

This thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #86 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/349778. Thank you!