Discussion - Episode 406: "Escape Velocity" (SPOILERS)

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Discussion - Episode 406: "Escape Velocity" (SPOILERS)

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1fannyprice
abr. 25, 2008, 9:56am

A place to discuss Episode 406: "Escape Velocity", which premiers in the US & Canada on 25 April and in the UK on 29 April according to BattlestarWiki. Spoilers are to be expected.

2littlegeek
abr. 25, 2008, 1:34pm

Today's live stream was only half the episode. LOL! As a westcoaster who only ever got to watch the streaming one time, I'm kind of enjoying this...

3avaland
abr. 26, 2008, 10:24am

There seemed to be a pain theme going on in this one. . .

Tory seems to be acting like Six used to (somehow it doesn't seem the same. . .)

4littlegeek
abr. 27, 2008, 4:36pm

hmmm...this episode kind of left me cold and I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's just been on hiatus for too long, and now they're trying too hard. I'm not feeling this season yet.

The biblical imagery thing that they've always had with Baltar used to just feel like a little nod, a little joke. Now it's like they're taking it way too seriously. I would hate to have the religious stuff turn out to be "really real" in a hokey way. That's what it's feeling like to me right now.

I do like Tyrol going batsh*t, and Douglas' performance is really working for me. Guy is a natural.

5Irisheyz77
abr. 27, 2008, 9:15pm

I wasn't really feeling this episode either.

I also found lee to be especially annoying.

6littlegeek
abr. 28, 2008, 12:41am

Lee has been annoying since about 1/2 way through S2.

I just watched it again, and it's not as bad the second time. Baltar is still just out for himself. I mean, the final speech is "you're all perfect, God loves you no matter how much of a scumbag you are." Not exactly the sermon on the mount.

I sure hope they get back to what happened to the cylons blowing each other up. I hate that they left that hanging.

7avaland
abr. 28, 2008, 11:09am

where are you fanny? have you watched the episode yet?

8DaynaRT
abr. 28, 2008, 11:13am

I very much agree that the Gaius as Jesus allegory is going overboard this season. Please stop whacking me over the head with the Messiah imagery.

I didn't find Lee at all annoying, but I seem to like the characters (Cally, Helo) and story lines (quadrangle) that others don't, for some reason.

9fannyprice
abr. 28, 2008, 4:55pm

>7 avaland:, Haha, thanks for looking for me, avaland! I have watched all the episodes up to this point, but I don't think I've commented on any of them but the first one. I have been very bad about it, despite my desire to chat. I always hope that I will have time to watch twice before I comment, but then I never do, so I never end up commenting. :) I promise to weigh in soon! Right now I've got a jealous cat on my hands.

10kawika
abr. 28, 2008, 7:54pm

I actually enjoyed this episode. Yes, they're getting heavy handed on the biblical parallels, but it also makes me wonder where this is going. Not with Baltar, specifically, but within the overall mythology of the tale. I go back to the absolutely horrid spin off from the original series and wonder if these writers aren't thinking of these tales being coopted by the thirteenth tribe when they get to earth. Of course, this is assuming that there are people on earth and that they are the thirteenth tribe.

I also remember in the two build-up specials before this season began that one of the producers/writers said that Gaius has pretty much gone bonkers and the evidence of that are his delusions of six. I always thought there was room for something above and beyond a simply psychological schism and am even more convinced of this with the weirdness that happened in the passageway. It's definitely there to make us wonder what really just happened.

Add to that, Tigh's hallucinations and it brings up some questions about him and his relationship to Baltar. Are these hallucinations some special power or talent that is related to six?

11littlegeek
abr. 28, 2008, 9:57pm

Tigh hallucinated that he killed Adama, and Tryol halluncinated about Cally and also about Adama calling Nicky an abomination. Kara has Head!Leoben. Even Adama hallucinates his dead wife once a year. Basically, there's lots of hallucinating in this show.

I really miss Baltar being completely reprehensible. I don't mind him landing on his feet despite himself, but actual redemption is another matter. Please, give me my bad Baltar back.

I think the writers are setting up all this religious stuff and then it's going to take a completely different turn. I hope so, anyway.

12avaland
abr. 29, 2008, 8:38am

I wouldn't call it hallucinating. In drama one has to show or tell the audience what the characters are thinking (since we can't read it on a page:-). I think they are showing us what is going on in their heads, not suggesting they are hallucinating. Gaius may be something else because he talks to his visions of Six and himself (he may just be nuts!).

Agree about the overdose of religion.

fanny, I've been posting after the first watch, then after the 2nd (if I watch it a 2nd time). just post, woman! (I miss your posts)

13fannyprice
maig 3, 2008, 5:39pm

>12 avaland:, ok avaland, you asked for it! :)

GENERAL THOUGHTS

While I thought this was an interesting episode that, as usual, brought up a lot of thought-provoking ideas about social issues (its BSG, after all), particularly religious freedom and how far will you go to defend someone's right to express reprehensible ideas, it did seem like a strange detour after the last couple episodes, which spent so much time setting up plots off Galactica, like the Demetrius (which really needs to do something significant) and the Cylon civil war. I really like the religious aspect of the show, especially the whole ambiguity of it, which I think makes me in the minority, so I am glad that they got back to it. But I missed the other stories.

My two absolute favorite beats of the show: (1) When Head-Six is lifting Baltar off the floor and we see him standing all weirdly. I think everyone else saw it too. (2) In the final moments of the show, after Baltar's speech, Head-Six turns and looks ever so slightly at Tory and smiles. Perhaps I am mis-remembering, but I swear to God (gods?) that Tory acknowledges this gesture. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? Both these suggest to me that Head-Six is somehow real - was she interacting with Tory? Does she know who Tory is? Both these could be random accidents with no meaning, but I freaked out.

WHAT I LIKED

-Cally's funeral was really beautiful, I thought. Amazingly emotional, for a fictional person and a fake religion.
-Tigh's conversations with Six in the brig were curious - is there any significance to the fact that she kept morphing into Ellen or is this just Tigh's guilty conscience?
-Roslin's wig!
-Tyrol's outburst to Adama - did he really feel that way about Cally or was it just grief/anger talking? I like to think that he actually did love her....but maybe I'm just delusional.

WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE

-Tory is now an enigma - What is her deal? - She's acting more like a regular Cylon than one of the Final Four, I think - spouting weird jibberish about the Final Four being perfect - where is the indication that they are perfect? Also, she says stuff about the special things they can do but I'm not sure what those special things are - other than being (apparently) unique-looking & aging, they have not (to my knowledge) demonstrated any special abilities beyond normal Cylons.
-Baltar's speech.....
-The lack of attention on the other plot locations. The story in those places seemed to have stopped during this episode - WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE CYLONS????!