Half Blood Prince Discussion, chapters 6-10
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Chapter 6: Draco's Detour
Chapter 7: The Slug Club
Chapter 8: Snape Victorious
Chapter 9: The Half-Blood Prince
Chapter 10: The House of Gaunt
Have at it!
1. I noticed we get a quick aside about Regulus ("Sirius' brother Regulus didn't last a month after deserting the Death Eaters") so that we get a little reminder of his existence.
2. What do you suppose Bill & Fleur are going to do all alone at the Burrow? ;)
3. Does it surprise anyone else the Malfoys would shop at Diagon Alley at all. And that shopkeepers would wait on them. Fear do you think? I mean, everyone knows that Lucius is in Azkaban for being a Death Eater. Just seems odd.
4. I'm sorry to say it, but when George says "Right you are Verity," he reminds me of Percy!
5. I love that they couldn't see Draco pointing at the cabinet because the cabinet was in the way. Just another one of JKR's fun little jokes. Telling us what he's talking about without telling us what he's talking about.
That's all the notes I have for this chapter. I'll also say, I love Weasley's Wizard Wheezes! U-No-Poo!
1. also lets us know that sirius isn't the only Black who chooses the "right"
2. If I have to tell you then you are too young to know!
3.I don't think its odd, they have always shopped there like everyone else, the shop owners - hey business is business!
4. oh well, family traits I suppose
5. thats why she's the millionaire author and we the lowly readers! (sigh)
#3-3: I had thought about that, the money is money argument. I know that you really can't blame the wife and child of the criminal for what their spouse/dad did; however, the way they spoke to Harry left absolutely no question as to where their loyalties lay. I think at that point I would refuse to serve them. That's why I wonder if it was more fear as to what could happen to her (remembering Fortescue and Ollivander) that had Madam Malkin trying to keep their business. Or maybe she is just shallow and money is money, but that idea makes me sad.
#3-5: Too true!
Could I be overthinking all this? Surely not, I never overthink Harry Potter... ;)
I don't think that forge would have served any of that group at all, they would not have been afraid of V after all.
I love Molly's reaction to the sign for U-no-poo! altho I must wonder who would want to buy that!
I think U-No-Poo is a joke item to be used on others, not yourself. Kind of the opposite of Exlax brownies. Not a very funny joke but I believe that's the intention. *shrugs*
1. I have never noticed, when does Malfoy get the Hand of Glory? I always read that sentence where Ron talks about Malfoys "rotting old hand thing" and I seriously don't remember him getting it in the books. I remember him asking for it in CoS, but not getting it. What am I missing?
2. One of the things I love in this book is everyone saying it can't be Moalfoy (and Snape) but for once it is. Brilliant classic mystery writing! It's never the obvious choice, until it is no longer obvious!
3. "It was like having friends." Oh Luna!
4. I like the little Harry and Ginny hints.
5. The girls who come to the compartment to ask Harry to sit with them remind me of a very specific moment of my own life...I am ashamed to say I have played the "You ask him" "No, you ask him." game.
6. There must be a ton of Wrackspurts where I work!
7. I think it was interesting to have Harry be petrificoused (sp? Not that you could tell since it's a made up word, so we'll say it's right!). We've seen plenty of people under this spell, but have never gotten a description of what it was like, which I think is fun. (Not that being under the spell sounds fun, it sounds awful!)
Luna makes me cry sometimes
Yeah I'm glad they finally got together
I've never played that game, but I have had guys do the same kinda thing to me on a dare.
i think I have an infestation of those wrackspurt things in my brain. Don't you love Luna waving her hands as though she was waving away flies!
yes poor harry! Helpless to do anything to protect himself!
1. There's an auror named Proudfoot. Tolkein reference?
2. I suppose the lock on the gate has a silent Password? I'm just saying because when Alohomora didn't work Tonks said DD did the enchantment. All Snape had to do was tap it though, and it seems if there's an enchantment where you tap the lock and it opens Voldy would know about it. So silent password? Or maybe only certain people are "authorized" to tap the lock?
3. Ron insulting Nick and stuffing his face -- it must the the start of term feast!
4. I always wonder why Snape allows students who got less than an "O" into D.A.D.A. when he won't let them into Potions. Seems odd.
5. In his speech DD says something about everyone there knowing about Voldy and therefore understanding about stricter security, but would the first-year muggle-borns have any idea? I wonder what they would have thought upon getting their letters, heading to Diagon Alley and finding it the way we saw it in this book. Would you even want to go to that school after hearing what was going on? Especially after learning that muggleborns were particularly hated by Voldy.
That's interesting that its not in the Lexicon. I find it so strange that Ron talks about the Hand as if it's something that Draco has had forever. I suppose he must have gotten it as a gift sometime but I really don't think it was mentioned...
possibly it was too late for snape to do anything about it....?
Ron, food, and Nick, a recipe for da laughter!
11.1 -- Like Polly, I always assumed that, at some point between CoS and HBP, Draco whined until he got the thing. Not sure how Ron knows that he has it, though.
11.2 -- I agree, it is brilliant. For once, Harry is right about Malfoy (and, yes, Snape).
11.3 -- Oh, Luna. She's such a wonderful character. I remember that feeling -- I didn't have many friends in high school, but about my sophomore year of undergrad, I made several really good friends, ones I treasure to this day. If I were artistic, I would paint their pictures on my ceiling (along with my HE friends too, of course)!
11.6 -- I think I have a contingent of wrackspurts permanently assigned to me!
13.1 -- An homage, perhaps?
13.2 -- I'll bet only certain people are "authorized." Also, Snape is really good at nonverbal spells.
13.4 -- I think that, if he had only allowed students with a perfect grade in DADA, he would have been doing private lessons with Harry again -- and we all know how much he would love that! I mean, due to the constantly changing quality of teachers in that subject, even Hermione didn't get an "O"! (Note: I typed this before I read down to post #16. Exactly!)
13.5 -- It seems like I remember hearing that someone from Hogwarts usually goes to talk to muggleborn students, to explain that the letter isn't a hoax, and to tell them how to get to Diagon Alley and so on. I'll bet that person (one of the staff, or DD himself) explained about Voldy, and gave them assurances that the school was being kept secure.
(Edited for typos.)
11.1 That's what bugs me. If Ron knows about it than we should have heard about him getting it at some point. I'm wondering if it was edited out of a previous book and she forgot about it?
11.3 Hmm...I don't think I could do faces on my ceiling, it might be nice to do a faux bookshelf with the names of all my LT buddies as the titles though...
11.6 It's nice to know I'm not the only one!
13.1 Homage is a better word. Thank you!
13.2 Oh, I assumed there was a non-verbal spell going on, but I also assumed that it was just a non-verbal spell, Voldy could get it (and some of his Death Eaters). I think I like the "authorized" idea, which would explain why Tonks couldn't do it.
13.4 Great minds!
13.5 Now that you mention it, I do remember that. I'm still not sure how I would feel about attending, especially if I was a Muggle parent like polly suggested. I suppose they could think like the P.M. "You can do magic..."
I love Luna. I want a t-shirt that says "it was like having friends."
I'll be back. Stupid work is horrible again and will be for the next few weeks. *sigh*
1. My love affair with McG continues with Neville's schedule. What a great way to make him feel better about himself. And I do hope she wrote that letter to his Gran!
2. Why didn't we see Quiddich try-outs like this before? We (sort of) saw Keeper try-outs in OotP, but never have pre-established members had to try-out. It seems strange to suddenly change the way its done (although I understand why she had to do it to get Ginny and Dean and everybody on the team.)
3. "Snape didn't know that Harry had secretly taught half the class a Shield Charm the year before." (not an exact quote, but close enough). Why? Shouldn't Snape, as a member of the Order, have known what was going on? The Order knew about the meeting in the Hog's Head because of Mundungus, and then he knew that Umbridge caught Harry leading a secret meeting, which is why DD left. I'm thinking Snape was smart enough to put two and two together. I suppose we could be getting that statement from Harry's perspective, and he could be obtuse enough not to realize that Snape knew, still, not a sentence that needed to be there, it really doesn't make sense.
4. "There's no need to call me 'sir' Professor." Makes me laugh everytime.
5. I love that Hermione memorized Harry's speech and then later in the chapter there's a nice turnaround where Hermione gets to hear the nice things Harry's said to Slughorn about her.
6. Good old Amortentia -- shipper heaven!
I agree with FD....I don't think Snape would ever have credited Harry with talent, ability or intelligence....his unrequited love for Lily not withstanding. If Harry had prehaps been a girl with red hair and green eyes like Lily's the story for Snape might have been different.
I also love the line "There's no need to call me sir, professor"
I knew it had to be Snape with the comment about the Bezoar
1. Cheese Cauldron. Now I want fondue.
2. DD's lack of humility has always intrigued me -- is this his greatest flaw or his greatest strength?
3. DD says he hopes what he is about to show him will help Harry survive. Do you think his meaning is that he hpes it's the Scarcrux that will help him survive? By now he knows Harry will have to die, or at least he's pretty darn sure. I don't think I'm saying this right. Does anyone know what I'm saying?
4. Poor Merope.
5. Other than some noticeable section, I think this book as a whole is better edited than GoF or OotP. There seems to be less superfluous information. What do you all think?
Anyone think it's interesting/weird how there so much backstory packed into the last two books? Usually, they try to get it out of the way and leave the climax to be only action. I was really glad that she did that tho because it made DH so much more interesting. I loved learning all that stuff about Voldy here and DD in DH.
The other thing I love that she does is let us see how similar Voldemort's background is to Harry's in a very clear way. It goes back to the main theme of the entire series that Love truly does have an amazing effect on our lives.
I also felt very very sorry for merope. Its too bad that once on her own she couldn't gather up enough inner strengh to survive for her baby. maybe tom Riddle would have been different
2. It's his biggest flaw, in my humble opinion. It makes me love him more, but it's dangerous and unwise, and leads to his downfall.
3. Well, DD couldn't tell Harry, "OK, this information will get you far enough to stop Voldemort, but you'll die horribly, so you might not want the long-term gym membership." By this book, I was suspicious of DD.
4. I didn't feel bad for Merope. I did up until she gave up and lost interest in her kid. I do get the pain factor, but seriously; she managed to screw up her kid before he was even born!
5. I worked in publishing at the time of the last book, and reportedly the editorial staff got reamed for how long OOTP was, and were told they needed to be more frugal with the last two books.
I'm impressed she managed to get out of there, even if only for a while.
I do see your point to some extent though ellevee. It's hard to imagine giving up with a baby on the way, the way she did. But I can think someone made a bad choice and still feel sorry for them. Heck, I've made tons of bad choices and I feel sorry for me all the time! ;)
okay We all know that merope was abused and misused buy what about Morfin? What the heck was his problem? He couldn't have been retarded or unable to care for himself cause he did come home after azkaban. was he just so full of himself and his slytherin blood that he was....cocky?
Also, "it's our choices that shape us" is a recurring theme. Tom Riddle could have accepted love from others, at least at Hogwarts if not before, but he chose not to. He's just bad through & through.
I also agree that Voldy was bad through and through. I think though, that he did accept love in the only way he could understand it, as adoration. Unfortunately this is love for selfish means and therefore not true love at all.
Grrr....I feel like I'm rambling again. Why do I try to contribute to in-depth conversations when I'm at work. I must remember this is where the Wrackspurts are!
(this should be fun)
#41 I pronouce it the same way as you lg.
ETA: You know what would be fun is to have a thread where we discussed how we pronounce some of the different HP words. There are some that I pronounce differently than the movie and/or Jim Dale. I'd be interested to hear how others pronounce them. What do you think?
I'll just keep my stupid internal pronunciation until the movie comes out. ;-)
But I'm not really the one to ask about pronunciation. Until the third book I always read Hermione as Her-Me-Own. Don't really know why.
The other ting that really sets Harry and Voldy apart is the ability to feel remorse. I don't really have much to say about that now, but I might contribute whenever we get to the end of the next book.
Bib- I, too, was struck with Power Ranger symbolism whilst reading.
Guess we don't need a separate thread!
And let me explain my Merope statement a bit more thoroughly: I do think she had an awful, awful life, and I have nothing but sympathy for how she lived. BUT she did use magic to make someone fall in love with her (not that I wouldn't ponder that myself if I had the power), then essentially abandoned her only child.
My feeling is that she should have done tried to stick around for her kid. She's a sympathetic character, but also weak. And maybe I'm still cranky that her son grew up so damaged that he killed off all my favorite characters. I just think that when you have kids, they are your responsibility, not your own personal anguish (said by someone with NO kids and therefore no basis for any of this haha).
FYI: I heard that originally, 'Voldemort' was pronounced with a silent 'T', but after the movies everyone changed it. I like it better the original way.
It reminds me of the last (third?) Star Wars. That queen dies and the doctors even say there was nothing wrong with her. It was a broken heart? Stupid way to kill her off George Lucas! Leia would have been strong enough to keep going for her kids.
Of course, without the deaths of all these mothers, there wouldn't be very many good stories.
Here are my belated comments!
1) I'm a bit surprised at how lippy Harry gets with Narcissa. Sure, he doesn't like her, but she is an adult. Then again, respect for elders doesn't really characterize Harry's relationships with any adult in his life, even ones like DD and Hagrid.
2) Hermione's a rotten actress.
(That's all I have for that chapter -- sometimes, when I start to get more involved in the story, I find that I end up with fewer notes.)
1) And here we have Harry flirting with Ginny! I love the little hints JKR drops about that relationship.
2) Why do they all think Voldy wouldn't let a 16-year-old join the Death Eaters? Weren't some of Snape's school buddies supposed to be involved back during the first war?
3)Trevor must be quite old, for a toad. I wonder how long toads live? (This seems like the sort of thing I should know, but don't.)
4) Harry contemplates Neville and the prophecy -- do we ever really get to know the reason why Voldy picked Harry instead of Neville? Maybe it's in DH and I've forgotten it.
5) Draco's attack on Harry always makes me go "Owwwwwwww. . . ."
1) Petrifacus Totalus is another spell I'm not sure I understand. I guess it "freezes" all voluntary functions? I mean, Harry apparently can't make a sound -- I understand not being able to move his lips, but couldn't he moan or anything? Obviously he can still breathe.
2) Snape refers to Gryffindor as being in "negative figures" as regards to points when he docks all kinds of points from Harry. For some reason, I didn't think they could go into negatives -- once your hourglass was down to zero, you could sink no lower. More math issues? Or is Snape just making, basically, an empty threat?
3) I admit it -- when DD announces that Snape has gotten the DADA position, I get an odd little thrill.
1) Lavender's flirting. I wonder how long she's been interested in Ron?
2) I love Snape's start-of-term lectures. The man has a way with words, what can I say?
3) On the other hand, I also love "There's no need to call me "sir," Professor" -- snarky comments occasionally sneak past me, too.
4) Harry asks, "Why doesn't he (Snape) use another guinea pig for a change?" He's teaching you, Harry. In his own way, he's trying to prepare you to face what he already knows is in front of you.
5) I went to college with a guy like Ernie.
6) "When you have seen as much of life as I have, you will not underestimate the power of obsessive love" -- for this moment, I rather like Slughorn. It's a very good point.
1) Obviously, Snape needs to write a Potions textbook.
2) Trelawney's interpretation of the tarot cards gives me a chuckle.
3) Marvolo says the ring is etched with the Peverell "coat of arms" -- when we learn what symbol is actually etched on the ring, it makes me think that "coat of arms" is a bit of a stretch.
4) So, the whole conversation in Parseltongue between Marvolo and his kids -- could DD understand what they were saying? He doesn't ask Harry to interpret. I know DD is supposed to know a lot of languages, but I though Parseltongue couldn't be learned.
(Edited to fix typos.)