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1aulsmith
jul. 5, 2010, 9:14am

As you can see from the "group website" this started off as a "spam" group before there was a good way for authors on LT to promote themselves. However, a number of us thought it was a good name for a group and have kept it going with some interesting, if agonizingly slow, conversations. We've acquired some members lately, so maybe we can generate some more sustained conversations.

I joined a book club this year where we've mostly been reading glbt mainstream books, so my reading of gay spec fiction has been somewhat limited lately.

What are you reading? Why are you here? What do you want to talk about?

2KDSarge
jul. 17, 2010, 10:26pm

Well, it's good to know there are some folks out there who read this, as the last agent to read my full said "no one" would buy SF with romance, especially with a gay MC.

Umm...forgive me. I'm fighting an html battle and losing, so I am grumpy. Let me try again.

Hi, I'm KD! I joined the list to get recommendations of good stuff, and to get to know fellow fans and writers.

I write, I read, I fight with my website. I work at a middle school where I wage daily battle against "that's so gay!" I live in Arizona and I probably talk too much.

3aulsmith
Editat: jul. 18, 2010, 4:57pm

I do suspect that gay sf romance is a hard sell. I'm not fond of it myself, and the only two I've read in the last 10 years (Toby Johnson's Secret Matter and Alvin Orloff's I Married an Earthling) were both published by small presses, which means an agent isn't likely to be interested.

Talking too much on this list would be a good thing right now.

ETA: The damn touchstones ...

4KDSarge
jul. 18, 2010, 3:56pm

Ooh, an invitation! ;)

I'm not fond of "romance" as I generally see it either. For years I've avoided anything with a couple embracing on the cover. Though I have been harassed into reading a few lately and they were good, it's still Not My Thing.

This book is about Taro taking control of his life from his ex-Marine sister--but falling in love with Rafe is the catalyst that makes him stand up to her, and so it is "romance."

Another of my books is about a tough, wild, selfish gay man who befriends and champions a twelve-year-old girl in major trouble. But again--there's a love interest, so it would be called romance.

I understand the need for categories, but when genre gets restrictive, it makes me grumpy.

Umm, in other news, I have Tanya Huff next on my TBR pile!

5aulsmith
jul. 18, 2010, 4:54pm

Hmm. Not sure where the agent was coming from. I think of a romance as a story where the main plot revolves around two characters resolving the differences that keep them from being a couple. Everything else is rather secondary. There's lots of recent sf where gay relationships are an important part of the story including Greg Egan's Teranesia, not to mention whole bunches with books with gay or queer relationships as an important part of the background, like Vernor Vinge's Rainbow's End, Michael Flynn's Eifelheim, and Ian MacDonald's River of Gods. And I'm not even reading a lot of contemporary books.

Which Huff are you reading?

6KDSarge
jul. 19, 2010, 4:59pm

oh! *makes a note* I haven't actaully read any gay SF--I never knew anything much about gay issues until I had a character who didn't come together until I realized he was gay.

The Huff book is Valor's Trial. I'll be on it after I get a bit more through OpenOffice.org for Dummies. I love my OpenOffice, but I've only ever picked up stuff I needed. Now I'm learning a bit more about possibilities.

Huff is a reward for getting through. When I picked up Valor's Choice it was one of the best books I'd read in ages, and the other two were just as great to read.

7SimonW11
jul. 19, 2010, 5:11pm

yes Huff is hard to beat her ability to poke gentle fun at peoples sexuality is so refreshing compared with how po faced some gay fiction can be,

8LisaShapter
jul. 20, 2010, 12:08am

KDSarge,

Well, then I'm doomed. :)

(Ah, I see someone has not read _The Left Hand of Darkness_. People who propound rules like "Kidlit doesn't sell, especially British kidlit" are bound to be knocked over by reality.)

I love all forms of SF and I am gay, so I signed up.

9KDSarge
jul. 21, 2010, 10:31pm

Well, I hope he doesn't get knocked over too hard, because he was nice about it...

Hello, Lisa and Simon! What are you reading?

I realized today my stack of "read this before you have to return it" is possibly too big for the time I have. Writing and housework and parenting have to come first, sigh.

10SimonW11
Editat: jul. 22, 2010, 2:59am

9> with a noticable gay theme?Night Child is currently resting on my I will finish it one day pile. but I am not overly enamoured of it. The heroine a straight woman. knows far to much of the history of gay/ lesbian culture to seem credible to me. sure she spends time with mostly male gay friends but occasionally she should be asking who is Ann Bannon? Rather than casually displaying in but depth knowledge of fifties and sixties gay pulps.

11LisaShapter
ag. 2, 2010, 1:11am

That does seem like an odd thing for a straight character to know...

I just finished reading Bow Down to Nul by Brian W. Aldiss: there's a clunky het romance and a brief foray into an alien art house (adult?) theater, but nothing queer aside from the fact the aliens have 3 sexes.

I'm trying to decide what to read next from the vast stock I accumulated in my mad notion to open an SF/F bookstore. (I bring in a box at a time and read what speaks to me.) Since this is 1940-1960's stuff there's little gay content. (Unless you start wondering why the sweet butcher shop owner in Bow Down to Nul risks his life to pass information about the rebellion on to the broadly straight hero.)

12KDSarge
ag. 3, 2010, 2:48pm

I'm hung up in Real Life (tm) with little time for reading, but I found this interesting and thought I'd drop it by.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/07/queering-sff-interview-with-elizabeth-bear

13aulsmith
ag. 8, 2010, 8:11am

Thanks. Very interesting interview. Elizabeth Bear's one of those authors I've been meaning to read "real soon now." I hope this spurs me to make it even sooner.

14KDSarge
ag. 13, 2010, 9:45pm

Heh. I bought Hammered having faith that I'd enjoy it, but I haven't read it because the library books have due dates. Then every time I go to take books back, I somehow end up with more!

Her short story Snow Dragons is awesome, though. I have a link here somewhere...

Ah-ha! http://subterraneanpress.com/index.php/magazine/summer-2009/fiction-snow-dragons...