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The mountain people de Colin M. Turnbull
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The mountain people (edició 1972)

de Colin M. Turnbull

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An anthropologist records the moral decline of African tribesmen struggling to survive after being forced from their hunting grounds.
Membre:Something_Boring
Títol:The mountain people
Autors:Colin M. Turnbull
Informació:New York, Simon and Schuster [1972]
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Anthropologist Turnbull studied a number of communities on the African continent. The main lesson of this particular one of the Ik people was that this is what happens in a culture that's in decline and its members had lost touch with their humanity. because of government policy changes, the Ik people had lost their source of sustenance and their ability to continue following their customary patterns. Although research methods in the field of anthropology don't allow for generalizing the structures of one particular community to any other, I still couldn't help seeing parallels to US society -- the self-centered preoccupation with one's personal survival, the indifference to the young, the ailing and the elderly, and ab inability or unwillingness to see life as anything more than physical survival. Some have branded this book as racist but I see it as a warning that we all have choices about how to live our lives. ( )
  dcvance | May 4, 2021 |
Absolutely terrifying, but something that has really reinforced many of the opinions I hold on the socialisation of what we consider "humanity". The Ik are a people who have had their ability to gather the basic resources needed to live removed; the result is the removal of "humanity", as this is something which we have only had the freedom to evolve due to a surpless of food in most situations. I'd recommend it to most sociology and psychology students. ( )
  BeeQuiet | Jun 2, 2010 |
Though Turnbull describes the Ik, a people that have lost their sense of society, he really describes the human future, one in which individualism and greed will replace family, religion, morality, and humanity. A book that makes you think about "human nature." ( )
  rebelwriter85 | Jul 5, 2007 |
Colin Turnbull was an anthropologist with a special interest in the hunter-gatherer societies of Africa. He lived in the rain forests of Zaire and also in the mountainous areas that border Uganda, Sudan and Kenya. This book is an account of his observations in the latter region.

He writes about the semi-nomadic tribes that traditionally move around and across the frontiers herding cattle, hunting game and engaging in some simple cultivation to supplement the collection of vegetables, roots and berries.

The tribe that he studied in detail called themselves the Ik and had always had their temporary villages in the higher mountains of Uganda. This was a distinguishing feature that differentiated them from other groups such as the Turkana who were plain dwellers and cattle herders. He and his colleague Joseph Towles spent the better part of three years with them between 1964 and 1967.

The interest of the narrative is not so much the study of hunter-gatherer life ( do anthropologists study anything else? ) than the picture of transition that comes out of the book.

The Ik started to get into difficulties at the end of the 2nd World War as the new nation states in the area "hardened" their frontiers. Previously the Ik had moved freely between all three countries hunting game in the Kidepo valley and following it through the mountainous areas into the Sudan. However the Kidepo area was declared a Ugandan National Park and they were no longer allowed to hunt there. Subsequently they had to make a permanent base on the inhospitable mountainous eastern edge of the Park, an area that had previously only been a temporary resting place.

What follows is a narrative of serious non-adaptation as Turnbull shows that the traditional society of loose co-operation for hunting and weak family bonds is insufficient to meet the new challenge that the tribe faces.

He shows in detail how survival becomes a personal affair. Food is no longer shared. Men hunt what they can and eat it far from the village and women collect only for themselves.

As starvation sets in children and old people die as they are not fed, the tribe becomes known for its cattle thieving among the neighbouring groups. The thieving becomes intense among themselves and Turnbull interestingly shows how this becomes the new norm. Honesty becomes foolishness and lying becomes an art with Turnbull as the main target ( he had a Land Rover, cigarettes and plenty of food ).

At this point one can ask whether 1) Turnbull is exaggerating in the interest of a dramatic story or 2) supporting a thesis which is, to quote, "my hope that we who have been civilised into such empty beliefs as the essential beauty and goodness of humanity may discover ourselves before it is too late."

To answer 1) it would be useful to read an independent account by Towles if one exists. He is not a co-author of this book and only appears in it very briefly. All the same Turnbull does give cases where there is some residual co-operation and more honest individuals move away from the tribe.

To answer 2), the story fits in too neatly with the new socio-biological view of the world ( Sociobiology: The New Synthesis. E.O.Wilson) where man can only be understood on the basis of his animal drives. Turnbull doesn't reflect that in similar times of big environmental change other groups are protected by knowledge / co-operation / law ( i.e. culture) so that things don't have to be the disaster that the Ik experience.

When he states that; "we have been civilised into a belief in the essential beauty and goodness of humanity.", this must be taken as literary license but ignoring the odd rhetorical flourish this is still an interesting book that is worth looking out for. ( )
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For the Ik,
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Any description of another people, another way of life, is to some extent bound to be subjective, especially when, as an anthropologist, on has shared that way of life.
Preface: In what follows, there will be much to shock, and the reader will be tempted to say "how primitive...how savage...how disgusting" and, above all, "how inhuman."
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TURNBULL, COLIN, Les Iks. Survivre par la cruauté. Nord-Ouganda,
Traduit de l'anglais par Claude Elsen, Introduction et Postface de l'auteur, « Les Iks vus par Peter Brook » par JeanClaude Carrière (1975), « Pourquoi ce livre de Colin Turnbull dans Terre Humaine » par Jean Malaurie, Témoignage de Joseph Towles, Plon, 1987.

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