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Babel-17 (1966)

de Samuel R. Delany

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Babel-17, winner of the Nebula Award for best novel of the year, is a fascinating tale of a famous poet bent on deciphering a secret language that is the key to the enemy's deadly force, a task that requires she travel with a splendidly improbable crew to the site of the next attack.
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Aha, something from my 2015 support-POC-in-genres list. This is classic sci-fi, with the spaceships and battles and whatnot, but I enjoyed it. Much more about language and class and identity and skepticism of war. Cool to know this man was out there in the 60s imagining new worlds and winning awards for it. ( )
  Kiramke | Feb 20, 2024 |
It's been a long long time since I've read this book for the first time. I think it was school? Or maybe university? Somewhere at that time I read it for the first time and was seeded with this idea that our language defines our perception. Many years and books since then I just read it for a second time as that seed grown into a one hell of a weird tree... sorta.

It took me years to explore this idea and put it into conscious belief. I explored some languages, some concepts, I compared and thought about many little things, I started noticing them in translated books, I paid attention to the cases when author explicitly provided commentary for nuances and difficulties.

Overall this was just a right book at the right time. ( )
  WorkLastDay | Jan 18, 2024 |
A science fiction classic from 1966, and one that is, sadly, still somewhat ahead of the times. Not in terms of the technology (there are still phone booths!), nor the linguistic theory (Sapir-Whorf linguistic determinism having since fallen by the wayside), but in terms of its social and sexual diversity. Delany paints a world lush with strange and interesting details that aren’t directly required for the story—body modification, polyamory, ethnic diversity, many of which are still considered outlandish by some people today. Rydra Wong, poet and linguist extraordinaire, is the character who pulls all the disparate elements together, even as she builds bridges among people of different classes, ideologies, and languages.

Communication is a key theme. An intergalactic war is going on between the Alliance and the Invaders. Key Alliance military targets are being sabotaged, and when they are, a strange transmissions are detected that the military believes to be a code but that Rydra recognizes as a language. How Rydra goes about translating that language is the core of the plot, but there are many fascinating side trips. Rydra’s recruiting her spaceship crew to take her to the scene of what she’s determined will be the next target of sabotage takes up a good part of the early chapters, and this is where Delany flaunts the sociocultural details that color his universe: from the stiff, bureacratic Customs officer who is introduced to the wrong side of town, to the bars and wrestling rings where potential pilots with exotic body modifications fight, to the Morgue where a dead navigator is brought back to be the third member of the required polyamorous triple of navigators; these chapters were my favorite part of the book.

I haven’t read enough Delany, and I’m inspired to take on Dhalgren at long last. ( )
  Charon07 | Jan 15, 2024 |
Not recommended (4/10)
The pulpy style and esoteric Analytical Philosophy (of language) leaves little for the reader to digest. Only the gene-splicing was fun. ( )
  MXMLLN | Jan 12, 2024 |
One of the most imaginative sci-fi novels i've ever read..

I only bought it because i was looking for a book i read about 30 years ago that i can't remember the title of and thought this may have been it, but it wasn't. But i'm certainly not disappointed to have picked up the wrong book.

There's all kinds of sub-genres in sci-fi and i'm not really sure where this one would fit. It's mostly a deep dive into linguistics, as in how words and language are used and the meanings they convey, and Samuel does a wonderful exploration throughout the book.

It also takes in the future body modification - some interesting things going in this book, and does bring to mind some amazing potential within current science for the future body mod industry. The real future is certainly going to be interesting.

Anyways, well worth a read, and definitely worth it's place in the 'SF Masterworks' series of books. ( )
  5t4n5 | Aug 9, 2023 |
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If Babel 17 were published now as a new book, I think it would strike us an great work that was doing wonderful things and expanding the boundaries of science fiction. I think we’d nominate it for awards and talk a lot about it. It’s almost as old as I am, and I really think it would still be an exciting significant book if it were new now.
afegit per paradoxosalpha | editaTor.com, Jo Walton (Jun 23, 2009)
 

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Nom de l'autorCàrrecTipus d'autorObra?Estat
Samuel R. Delanyautor primaritotes les edicionscalculat
Brumm, WalterÜbersetzerautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
Montanari, GianniTraductorautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
Moore, ChrisAutor de la cobertaautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
Perrin, MimiTraductorautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
Podwil, JeromeAutor de la cobertaautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
Rosenberg, MirtaTraductorautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
s.BENešAutor de la cobertaautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
Schmidt, JakobTraductorautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
林叔堯Traductorautor secundarialgunes edicionsconfirmat
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Babel-17, winner of the Nebula Award for best novel of the year, is a fascinating tale of a famous poet bent on deciphering a secret language that is the key to the enemy's deadly force, a task that requires she travel with a splendidly improbable crew to the site of the next attack.

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