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Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin (2010)

de Timothy Snyder

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In this revelatory book, Timothy Snyder offers a groundbreaking investigation of Europe's killing fields and a sustained explanation of the motives and methods of both Hitler and Stalin. He anchors the history of Hitler's Holocaust and Stalin's Terror in their time and place and provides a fresh account of the relationship between the two regimes.… (més)
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This still ranks as one of the greatest works of scholarship I have ever read. ( )
  MylesKesten | Jan 23, 2024 |
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Cuando se habla de los muertos en la segunda guerra mundial, siempre pensamos en los campos de concentración alemanes. Siempre pensé que era donde más seres humanos habían muerto. Pero no, he estado equivocada durante años.

Las "tierras de sangre" son todas aquellas zonas, países o parte de países, entre Alemania y la URSS, donde Stalin y Hitler decidieron que les sobraban gente. Regaron de sangre esas tierras, desde mucho antes de empezar la guerra y mucho después de terminar.

Mucho antes de empezar la 2° guerra mundial, por 1931 Stalin empezó sus "matanzas". Su idea de modernizar el país pasaba por hacer desaparecer a los trabajadores del campo y en especial a los ucranianos. Pero no únicamente a ellos, polacos y rusos también cayeron con el hambre que provocó. Recogió las cosechas y el grano que se usaba para la siembra siguiente. Dejo que murieran de hambre sin ningún cargo de conciencia. Todo con vistas, o la escusa, de una industrialización del país.

Y así empieza el libro, en ese año y contándote las políticas de ambos líderes políticos.

Cuando más leo sobre este periodo de la historia, más me doy cuenta de lo que desconozco.

Lo recomiendo a todo aquel que disfrute de este periodo de la historia y quiera conocer un poco más.

Lo que hicieron con Polonia y con Ucrania me parece demencial. Y ya no solo por Stalin y Hitler, me refiero al resto del mundo, miro hacia otro lado y los dejaron hacer. Tan criminal fue la acción de asesinar a tantos seres humanos, como la inacción por parte del resto.

Saber, más o menos, la cantidad de personas que murieron en esta zona, durante esos años (y después de 1945), que superan con mucho los asesinados en los campos de concentración, más los militares que murieron luchando de todos los países, indica que son cifras inimaginables.

Tanto Hitler, como Stalin ñ, tenían fijación con eliminar a los judíos. Pero no asesinaron judíos. Estás tierras regadas con tanta sangre, eran de civiles masacrados por ambos bandos y en muchas ocasiones, ayudados por vecinos de las víctimas.

Muy interesante, nada pesado. ( )
  Akasha88 | Jan 14, 2024 |
A surprisingly brutal history of what I already knew was a brutal history. The purposefulness is shocking. The amount of pain suffered in Poland is being all comprehension. The plan to starve the ENTIRE population of the Soviet Union by Germany is so fantastically heinous…. Wow. “The human capacity for subjective victimhood is apparently limitless, and people who believe that they are victims can be motivated to perform acts of great violence” pp399/400 the conclusion of this book is brilliant. The first 400 pages are so hard to read (took me a year!) but to get to the conclusion one must consider the mountains of the dead.
  BookyMaven | Dec 6, 2023 |
There are so many different excerpts from this book that it would take pages and pages to fill out everything I find interesting or important. He is such a good writer that he can take something like this, which is widely written about, and make it interesting, shocking and at times brutal. There was only 1 very small part of a certain chapter that I got lost in the academia jargon but it seemed no other way to make it more simplistic. Almost the entire book is written for people who may not have vast knowledge of the Soviet and Nazi regimes in their peak of power. The Nazi brutality is more recognized and in popular literature/culture and it has to do with several things, mainly that they were a part of the "good guys" and fought alongside the British, American, French, ect. troops. Without the Soviet Union making a stand at the gates of Moscow and turning the tide to drive the Germans back westward, the outcome or length of the war would have been drastically different. The number of troop, and sadly civilians, who died in the Eastern Front is staggering and not easy to wrap your head around. I believe it's at the very top of any war for the amount of casualties in just the Eastern Front. So while Germanys war crimes and atrocities are more known in the West, I still knew the Soviets were ruthless killers too, but I misunderstood the severity and the destructiveness that the Soviets not only brought to the Germans but against their own people in the satellite soviet states and even Soviet Russia as well. Not just covering the time of WW2 between the 2 regimes, but it goes back and covers the Holomodor in mainly Ukraine between 1932-1933 that was a famine mainly Stalin-made and not naturally occuring. It breaks down their policies in a cold and straightforward way and can be a chilling read from start to finish. The amount of data and facts (numbers, locations of exact, or as close to it as they can get, numbers of people who died, including their nationalities and the particular way they ended up dying since there were several means of mass killing. Incredible book, if you haven't already picked that up by reading this far of my summary. ( )
  booksonbooksonbooks | Jul 24, 2023 |
There are so many different excerpts from this book that it would take pages and pages to fill out everything I find interesting or important. He is such a good writer that he can take something like this, which is widely written about, and make it interesting, shocking and at times brutal. There was only 1 very small part of a certain chapter that I got lost in the academia jargon but it seemed no other way to make it more simplistic. Almost the entire book is written for people who may not have vast knowledge of the Soviet and Nazi regimes in their peak of power. The Nazi brutality is more recognized and in popular literature/culture and it has to do with several things, mainly that they were a part of the "good guys" and fought alongside the British, American, French, ect. troops. Without the Soviet Union making a stand at the gates of Moscow and turning the tide to drive the Germans back westward, the outcome or length of the war would have been drastically different. The number of troop, and sadly civilians, who died in the Eastern Front is staggering and not easy to wrap your head around. I believe it's at the very top of any war for the amount of casualties in just the Eastern Front. So while Germanys war crimes and atrocities are more known in the West, I still knew the Soviets were ruthless killers too, but I misunderstood the severity and the destructiveness that the Soviets not only brought to the Germans but against their own people in the satellite soviet states and even Soviet Russia as well. Not just covering the time of WW2 between the 2 regimes, but it goes back and covers the Holomodor in mainly Ukraine between 1932-1933 that was a famine mainly Stalin-made and not naturally occuring. It breaks down their policies in a cold and straightforward way and can be a chilling read from start to finish. The amount of data and facts (numbers, locations of exact, or as close to it as they can get, numbers of people who died, including their nationalities and the particular way they ended up dying since there were several means of mass killing. Incredible book, if you haven't already picked that up by reading this far of my summary. ( )
  booksonbooksonbooks | Jul 24, 2023 |
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Snyder’s ambition is to persuade the West—and the rest of the world—to see the war in a broader perspective. He does so by disputing popular assumptions about victims, death tolls, and killing methods—of which more in a moment—but above all about dates and geography. The title of this book, Bloodlands, is not a metaphor. Snyder’s “bloodlands,” which others have called “borderlands,” run from Poznan in the West to Smolensk in the East, encompassing modern Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, and the edge of western Russia (see map on page 10). This is the region that experienced not one but two—and sometimes three—wartime occupations. This is also the region that suffered the most casualties and endured the worst physical destruction.

More to the point, this is the region that experienced the worst of both Stalin’s and Hitler’s ideological madness.
 
Snyder claims that his purpose in describing 'all of the major killing policies in their common European historical setting' was 'to introduce to European history its central event'. But he has not described all the major killing policies and they did not all have a common setting. And to assert that they are the central event in the whole of European history is rhetorical overkill, to say the least. A number of other historians have written recently, and more perceptively, about this same topic, from Richard Overy in The Dictators to Robert Gellately in Lenin, Stalin and Hitler – some, like Norman Davies in Europe at War 1939-45, from a similar perspective to Snyder's own. Despite the widespread misapplication of Hitler's statement about the Armenians, few claims advanced in Snyder's book are less plausible nowadays than the assertion that 'beyond Poland, the extent of Polish suffering is underappreciated.' In fact, we know about the events Snyder describes already, despite his repeated assertions that we don't. What we need is not to be told yet again the facts about mass murder, but to understand why it took place and how people could carry it out, and in this task Snyder's book is of no use.
 
Mr Snyder’s book is revisionist history of the best kind: in spare, closely argued prose, with meticulous use of statistics, he makes the reader rethink some of the best-known episodes in Europe’s modern history.
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your golden hair Margarete,
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Everything flows, everything changes.
You can't board the same prison train twice.

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Everything flows
A stranger drowned on the Black Sea alone
With no to hear his prayers for forgiveness.

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(Preface) "Now we will live!" This is what the hungry boy liked to say, as he walked along the quiet roadside, or through the empty fields.
The origins of the Nazi and the Soviet regimes, and of their encounter in the bloodlands, lie in the First World War of 1914-118.
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In this revelatory book, Timothy Snyder offers a groundbreaking investigation of Europe's killing fields and a sustained explanation of the motives and methods of both Hitler and Stalin. He anchors the history of Hitler's Holocaust and Stalin's Terror in their time and place and provides a fresh account of the relationship between the two regimes.

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