Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #80

THIS THREAD is for LibraryThing Members, and especially for “beginners,” to ask help and learn about combining and separating specific LibraryThing Works.
-- If a book is combined with other, very different books.
-- If a book won’t combine with others just like it.
-- If problems with any Work are overwhelming, or maybe you just don’t have time.

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WHEN YOU POST:
-- Please give Titles, Authors, hyperlinks, and other information that will help.
-- If you post multiple requests at once, please number each group. Examples:

“Please combine:
#1: The Story of the Life of You
http://www.librarything.com/work/AAAAAAAA
http://www.librarything.com/work/BBBBBBBB
#2: The Story of the Life of Everyone Else
http://www.librarything.com/work/XXXXXXXX
http://www.librarything.com/work/YYYYYYYY
http://www.librarything.com/work/ZZZZZZZZ ”

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-- If you add to a post, please use “ETA:” or “EDIT:” to show what’s new.
-- Please note when a request is “DONE.”

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NOTES:
-- If two works have more than 200 records each, LibraryThing staff may need to do the combining. Please post these requests to: http://www.librarything.com/topic/95602 .
-- For information and discussion, but not problems, please see the Combiner’s Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164 .
-- For the related wiki page, please see: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining .
-- Please note Tim’s Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for Contacting Members about Book Records at http://www.librarything.com/topic/30795#469616 ; if you contact another Member, please use Private Comment.
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>3 Audaces: Done

Please combine

Pilgrimage to Paris: The Cheapo Snob's Guide to the City and the Americans Who Lived There by Jayne Boisvert

http://www.librarything.com/work/22486047
http://www.librarything.com/work/22575664/book/162892487

Thank you!

>6 perennialreader: Done, plus several other works

>7 norabelle414: Thanks so much!

I entered Washington Black but it showed up as if I was the only person who had the book. But there is a page which shows many people have the book:

https://www.librarything.com/work/20934112

Why did not my copy be with those? The link for my copy is:

https://www.librarything.com/work/22710573/book/164149353

Can somebody combine my copy with the others? Thanks

>9 Schmerguls: Done.

Thank you much, Taphophile13.

please separate
1 cancelled
https://www.librarything.it/work/15916637/editions

thanks

following >16 jjwilson61: it seems not necessary to separate them

https://www.librarything.com/work/15916637/editions

What a mess. Quite a project if someone wants to take it on.

>12 supersidvicious:, >13 MarthaJeanne: I don't know that I've ever noticed newspapers cataloged on LibraryThing, much less in daily installments. That opens a whole conceptual can of worms in itself. To start tackling the immediate request though, I've separated discrete records for 2017 (there were only 10, and none for 2018) and started a new Series ordering the separated records by date; see https://www.librarything.com/series/Il+manifesto%3A+quotidiano+comunista. Before going further (probably in small chunks, perhaps working backward a year or even a month at a time), I'd welcome any Combiners! or LibrayThing staff (timspalding? lorannen?) thoughts on whether this is actually what we should do here, or if there's any better means to organize the resulting separations. Thanks in advance to all ...

>14 jasbro: I hadn't seen your message, jasbro, and I started pulling out individual copies (about 100; about 400 left now) without doing any series notations. I figured the most important thing was to separate distinct works out of the one big combined mess. If you or anyone wants to put them into your series page I'm sure those can be found by searching.

It's common library practice to catalog all issues of a periodical with one entry, so I'm not sure that it's necessary to separate these issues.

Mark B. Smith

Please separate these two works. I believe it is 2 different authors.
http://www.librarything.com/author/smithmarkb

Property of Communists: The Urban Housing Program from Stalin to… 3 copies
Bird Photography: A Beginner’s Guide to Mastering the Art of…

Thanks!

>17 perennialreader: Done. I found websites for both of them. It is not clear that the bird photographer really is a 'B'. Amazon has it, but not the books or the website.

However, just because there are books on very different topics does not mean that they are not written by the same person. You need some sort of evidence. In this case, one is US, the other UK. Birth years are even better.
http://www.librarything.com/author/platerormonde

>18 MarthaJeanne: Good for you! I didn't attempt it because of the common name and the low volume of books.

I've added author photos.

It's amazing how easy it is to get results with mark smith birds and Mark smith communists. It would not have worked if they weren't both modern authors. But then publiication dates might have been a good place to see that they aren't the same.

Thanks for the help. I have the birder book but not the communist book. They just didn't seem to be the same author.

I don't think I quite understand what has happened to this entry - https://www.librarything.com/work/607941/summary/164080601 - but I think it may need separating.

>22 pokarekareana: Fixed. Shared isbn was the root issue.

Looks like you need to pick another cover.

>15 scott_beeler: Thanks for your input.

>16 jjwilson61: Understood, and I appreciate your insight. I also understand (or at least think I do) that much the same principle applies to many series (with a small "s") publications. For myself, most periodicals and series that I catalog are sufficiently distinct issues, numbers or volumes to warrant separate records. I value single issues, account for them individually in our library, and view them more like anthologies than journalism. It's also fairly common that they're broken or incomplete sets, so the individual records with a Series reference are akin to the old "library holding" notations for periodicals in an historical card catalog. For example, see:

• Granta,
• McSweeney's Quarterly Concern,
• Lapham's Quarterly,
• Gordon Lish's The Quarterly,
• Utne Reader,
• Oxford American Magazine, and
• Southern Living Annual Recipes.

Given what I and other Members have already cataloged separately, I don't expect it's practical to hope for uniform treatment, professional cataloging standards notwithstanding. This technique works for me and our library on LibraryThing. Maybe I'm just wondering out loud about Il manifesto because I don't read it or have it in my library, so I don't appreciate the significance of any single number. Hence my suggestion to discuss it ...

>16 jjwilson61: True, that saves librarians loads of time after all. Here it's more usual to catalogue periodicals (this doesn't seem to be a daily) per year though. Anyway, when users opt to catalogue in more detail I think it's reasonable to assume that it was not their intention to see them as identical.

p.s.: for my own catalogue I do indeed use series for periodicals

>26 Nicole_VanK: p.s.: for my own catalogue I do indeed use series for periodicals

That's rather an odd thing to say since Series is a Common Knowledge field and can't be applied to your individual catalog on LT.

>27 jjwilson61: I may have misworded that a bit (sorry, English isn't my first language). I meant to say that I do this for periodicals in my collection, but don't chase periodicals all over LT.

Since it does apply to every entry for said periodical I don't see the CK problem. For example, I have a reprint of De Stijl in 2 volumes - originally published from 1917-1932 (edited by Theo van Doesburg - I think the touchstone misfires). If I had had the original I would have listed them per year. They would still all be part of that same sequence of that same old art magazine - the series.

I have a confusing situation with Ginn Hale's Rifter series.

1) There are multiple "editions" of the story, ebook and print.
2) Print edition is 3 volumes, ebook edition is 10.
3) Two of the three print volumes have identical titles to two of the ten ebooks. The content is not identical, because each of the print books contains several of the ebooks.
4) At present, it looks like the print and ebook editions of "The Shattered Gates" and "The Holy Road" are inappropriately combined.
5) Some copies in LibraryThing have ISBNs, others don't.
6) The ISBNs that I see for "The Shattered Gates" in the "combine/separate works" view are similar but not quite the same as the ISBNs on my copies (both ebook and print), so I am not 100% sure which refers to what edition. Between that and copies without ISBNs, I can't altogether tell which copies to put into which edition. Some, but not all, copies of "The Holy Road" are labeled either vol. 2 or vol. 5, so they can be distinguished that way, but "Shattered Gates" is vol. 1 in both ebook and print.

Any suggestions?

>29 amaranthe: In situations like that with alternate versions with the same name that have been combined I try to search for the various ISBNs on Amazon and Google to see if I can identify which are which. If there are unclear ones (no ISBN or unknown what that ISBN is, no extra clue from title) then I leave them with whichever version seems the greater number of copies.

To clarify versions with the same name sometimes people add extra notations to the canonical title like "The Holy Road \omnibus\" or "The Holy Road \ebook\" or something that seems appropriate.

Once they are separated you can try to prevent people from recombining by using work-to-work relationships as appropriate, to show that the first 2 or 3 or 4 ebooks are contained in the first print edition.

Thanks, >30 scott_beeler:! I was not sure what the proper thing is to do with the copies that have no clue at all, but putting them with the largest group works for me.

>31 amaranthe: Well, it's not an official policy or anything but it makes the most sense to me. But if the unknown one was a separate entry (not already merged in) I'd probably leave it separate instead of merging into either because I don't know which one it is.

>30 scott_beeler:, >31 amaranthe: First, consider using braces "{}" instead of brackets "" for explanatory additions to a canonical title, like "The Holy Road {omnibus}." As I understand, parentheses "()" and brackets in LT titles each have a significance or consequence of their own - brackets, for example, trigger Touchstones. Second, as an alternative that we on LT also sometimes use, consider whether it helps to have a "{generic}" Work and Title, to include records that can't be distinguished as "{story}," "{omnibus}," or "{ebook}." In doing so, Disambiguation Notices are invaluable to caution against overbroad combining and direct attention to differences between seemingly similar editions.

That said, I've also used scott_beeler's approach at times, to combine a minimal number of unclear records with a "primary" Work or the record having the greater number of copies, particularly for zero-copy Works with minimal information. In those instances, I doubt (but don't know) that it makes much difference, except maybe to influence or reinforce LT's auto-combining algorithms going forward. It certainly makes a difference for individual Members' records (though maybe not in The Grand Scheme of Things), but there we can only rely on each Member's monitoring and correcting any mis-combination of a Work in its own catalog. In any event, primum non nocere. I'm interested to see other Members' feedback on practices, preferences and principles.

Ok, I have separated the problematic works and added work-to-work relationships. I ended up leaving all editions with print ISBN in the print work and putting the ones that had no distinguishing markers in the ebook work, because there seem to be more copies of the ebooks in general and also it seemed the most likely to be correct when compared with the ebook/print distribution for the final volume. (In the final volume, the title for the print book was changed slightly from the title of the final ebook so that it is easily distinguishable and already divided.)

I find that ebook #7 is split between volumes 2 and 3 of the print trilogy, so it cannot be correctly noted as contained within either print book, but I don't suppose it matters too much. There is no work-to-work relationship for "partially contained within" another work. Unless a work is created for "The Rifter" without any volume divisions, but that seems like it would create more confusion than it would solve. At present there is no edition of the entire story contained in a single volume. And it isn't a work that huge numbers of people own, like Lord of the Rings.

The democratically-selected work names now allude to The Holy Road as either book 2 or book 5, so I hope that will keep people from re-combining them. The Shattered Gates is still book 1 in both cases. I made different series for the ebook and print versions (using braces instead of parentheses or brackets, thank you >33 jasbro:), so that might clarify matters a little more. And I added some disambiguation notices.

Incidentally, I found and separated a non-Rifter book with an unrelated title by a completely different author (same publisher) that had been somehow combined with The Holy Road. How does that even happen?

>34 amaranthe: There is no work-to-work relationship for "partially contained within" another work

There is no relationship for "wholly contained within" either, so I think you could make an argument to allow partial containment.

>35 jjwilson61: It says in this help file that "contains" is to be used "for cases where Work B is entirely contained within Work A." I am very literal. What do other people think?

>34 amaranthe: "... an unrelated title by a completely different author ... that had been somehow combined ..."

I'm unsure how it happens, but it does. It may be a "ratty data" ISBN appearing on the errant work, particularly if it's from the same publisher, since (as I understand) the lead numbers of an ISBN are common to editions produced by a specific publisher. All it would take is a small difference - one or two numbers off - between an intended ISBN and that actually used. Separating and correctly recombining the errant Work generally seems to do the trick, most often resolving "wacky" combination proposals (that's a technical term, right?) in the process.

A cross-check that I find convenient is to look at some or all of the Quick Links for WorldCat.org, Amazon.com and (less often) BookFinder.com in the upper-right corner of the respective Work pages. Cover images in the pop-up dialogue boxes there are tied to the respective source's corresponding page for the specific ISBN. With patience, I can usually step methodically through even the "blank box" links to find ISBN-related details that inform separating and combining decisions. It's not perfect, but it's often informative.

Your mileage, of course, may vary ...

Whoever is currently fixing the stuff I mentioned in my misplaced comment, comment #199, over on thread #77 (https://www.librarything.com/topic/265866), thank you.

2 different works (see covers)

https://www.librarything.com/work/22741348/editions

how to separate them?

>39 supersidvicious: I see no reason to assume that these are different works. There is often a change of cover when a book is reprinted.

http://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=castlejohn&page=assign needs a look. Averted my eyes from it, myself.

>41 bluepiano: Not perfect, but better.

>40 MarthaJeanne: I don't assume they are different works, I know it as I own them

https://inducks.org/issue.php?c=it%2FMDCS++1

https://inducks.org/issue.php?c=it%2FCFR+++9

please combine
1 done
https://www.librarything.com/work/2175708
https://www.librarything.com/work/15239418

thanks

>39 supersidvicious: If you still have different issues of Topolino combined within the same work you need to modify the title of each of your copies (NOT the work-level one) so they can be distinguished and separated from each other.

Adding issue number and date to your titles would help.

>44 supersidvicious: Already done it seems.

>42 MarthaJeanne: Cheers & abiding admiration. Call it a sixth sense but somehow I just knew there isn't a 300-year-old actor who writes books about wars.

I've just done some work on http://www.librarything.com/author/johanssonmartin, but without Swedish I can't get any further.

>47 MarthaJeanne: The last two unidentified ones would translate to "Roses and Thorns" and "Theological Periodical". Neither helps me to assign them. Sorry.

>47 MarthaJeanne:, >48 Nicole_VanK: Can you provide Disambiguation Notices to distinguish among the Martin Johanssons?

>49 jasbro: No. I only worked on 1), combining various languages into his books. Without Swedish it is too hard trying to find information. The German copy of one of his books that I borrowed from the library has no biographical information.

Library visits often bring me to combining issues. I was able to do better with http://www.librarything.com/author/schubertpeter, but there the research was in German.

>49 jasbro: Sorry. I only understand Swedish at a very basic level, and I'm not familiar with any of these authors. (Finding a confirmed translation of a work or something like that - even WorldCat is generally not very helpful for Swedish publications - is fine. But personally I wouldn't have dared to split that page, and I'm leaving it as is).

Okay, I have had trouble here https://www.librarything.com/author_split.php?author=malarchukclint&page=ass... I tried to fix a problem with a book that has two separate authors, but instead I made the situation worse.

Here is the situation

The book, The Crazy Game is listed as by Clint Malarchuk, with Dan Robson. Somehow the book was listed as by the two authors as one author, which is wrong.

Hang on, I'm just going to get a bit more information.

Here is the link to The Crazy Game

https://www.librarything.com/work/15557747

There are more copies of the same book that I could combine, but first I want to make sure the authors are correctly listed.

Thanks so much!

That book looks like it has been fixed. When one copy is wrong, the most effective way of fixing it is to combine with the copies that are correctly listed. (Actually fixing the copy has to be done by the member who entered it that way, and still leaves a ghost edition with the bad information.)

BTW it looks like A Matter of Inches and The Crazy Game are US and Canadian editions of the same book. Both were published 2014, and the have the same subtitle. The first has Table of Contents on Amazon look inside. Can anyone confirm or refute this idea?

OK confirmed.

>53 MarthaJeanne: Thanks Martha Jeanne. Perhaps I did not mess up things as badly as I thought. Thanks. And yes, I can confirm and combine A Matter of Inches and The Crazy Game are one and the same. I'll let you take care of that , in case I mess up. Thanks MarthaJeaane. Edited to add - I see you have looked after that. Thanks!

https://www.librarything.com/work/edit/160712668

I have read and posted this book, but book does not show on Scott Hahn's page that I have read and posted it. Why is that?

Scott Hahn's page is:

https://www.librarything.com/author/hahnsco

>55 Schmerguls: Try http://www.librarything.com/author/hahnscott?

jasbro, I tried it but it does not tell me howto get the book to be listed on the author's page. Do you know how to get that done? Have I not done something right? Heretofore it has always gotten on the author's page as soon as I entered the book.

It is on the author page if you look on the correct author page. Look at the page link in >55 Schmerguls:. There are no works on the page you linked to because it does not include the full name.

>58 Schmerguls: Unfortunately, I don't see that anything's wrong. Your "edit" link in #55 above takes me directly to details of this Work in your catalog, http://www.librarything.com/work/15407098/details/160712668. From there, the Author name link takes me directly to Scott Hahn's Author page, http://www.librarything.com/author/hahnscott, where Joy to the World: How Christ's Coming Changed Everything (and Still Does) is the 21st item listed among his Works. It appears LibraryThing's doing pretty much what we'd hope and expect. Is there something I'm missing?

So there's a book in my library that has three copies in LT.

copy A - my library - Correct title, correct author
copy B - public member - Correct title, no author
copy C - private member - Correct title, incorrect author

The only cover was uploaded by a private member.
The correct author's page shows zero works.

Questions:
-- Is it worth asking staff to contact the private member to fix the author's name on their copy?
OR
-- Should I try to combine the incorrect author with the correct author?

My book: http://www.librarything.com/work/22170727/details/159145546

>61 karenb: It is possible to change the work author, although that should only be done in very special cases. I have done that.

Combining the wrong author with the right one is not a good idea.

>62 MarthaJeanne: Thanks!

Yes, combining the wrong author is a bad idea. I should also have asked about other possible options.

ETA: The wrong author seems to be bad OCR from the cover image. Or if someone were typing quickly and wearing the wrong glasses.

Amazon has no author. (Marketplace data)

>60 jasbro: I do think there is something going on. I added Schmerguls to my "private watch list" (just temporarily so their name would stand out) and they are only listed as having one book by Scott Hahn, but they should have two.

https://www.librarythinahnscottg.com/author/h

Jasbro, This is the page norabelle414 refers to. On all prior occasions when I add a book the author page will show I have that book. This page does not show I have the book I just added a few days ago. And I listed the book's author just as he spells his name. So this is a mystery to me.

That isn't a page on LT at all?! Looks like a apart of the link is in the wrong place. 'ahnscottt' should be upended to the end

>66 Schmerguls: I think >67 SandraArdnas: is right but we're all taking about the same Scott Hahn and Joy to the World: How Christ's Coming Changed Everything (and Still Does). Unfortunately, while I can see the Work in your library, and even your particular record of the Work, the green, blue, purple, gray, etc. checkmarks (or their absence) that indicate holdings default to my own library when I go to the Author page, so I don't see what it is (or isn't) doing for you. You might try

• editing your record, to confirm whether the Author fields of your record are completed with "Hahn, Scott" as the "Author"; then, after you make and save any changes, maybe "Recalculate title/author" in the bottom gray box of the upper-right corner; or
• make sure you don't have multiple copies entered (I don't see that you do), one of which may be overriding checkmarks for the other.

If the Work still doesn't show on the Author page as being in your library then, this may be a job for Superman (timspalding)!

See http://www.librarything.com/work/15407098/reviews/160712668 yes, something is weird.

(Compare http://www.librarything.com/work/9806616/reviews/62943395. His review should show up twice.)

His account may need reindexing.

>68 jasbro: If you look at the members page for that book, Schmerguls is not on the list. I agree with >69 MarthaJeanne:, I think the first step would be trying to reindex the account.

>69 MarthaJeanne: >70 norabelle414: Thanks for your responses. I'm not familiar with reindexing accounts. Can you point us to information?

I had no luck recalculating & couldn't offhand think of another way to combine:

http://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=bedside+book+beasts+gibson&sea...

>72 bluepiano: Done, next time if you want to do it yourself look for the "add to workbench" link toward the bottom of the right-hand column, on each of the work pages you want to combine.

Well, every book I have entered since I entered Scott Hahn's book appears so I don't know what I can do. I don't know anything about reindexing, or how to do that. I have emailed Tim Spaulding but have no idea if my email reached him.

Here is the page which shows my 'review' on the top of the page but all reviews usually also appear below that but mine does not. There are 4 reviews shown with mine only above that, and mine should make the fifth review and should appear below also, if you understand what I am saying.

https://www.librarything.com/work/15407098/reviews/160712668

>74 Schmerguls: If you don't hear from Tim soon, I'd suggest posting a separate bug report for this.

Norabelle414

How do I "post a separate bug report"?

>76 Schmerguls: Start a new topic in the "bug collectors" group. Click "post a new topic" on the left side of this page, then where it says "group" select "bug collectors" from the list. Try to write a descriptive subject, like "book is in my catalog but not on work page" or similar. Then in the message section just repeat the same things you've already said here. You might want to mention that you already posted in the "Combiners!" group and that they said it's not a simple combination problem.

http://www.librarything.com/author/delauanne

The name is properly spelled 'Dulau'. I combined the two spellings but apparently in the wrong direction, and I've a dread of opening a can of worms by trying to combine back in other direction. Thanks.

>78 bluepiano: Fixed. Amazon.com and .co.uk corrections reported.

After confirming the correction I fixed the author on the work that had it wrong. Then recalculated. It's not a matter of direction, but rather of who has the most entries. In this case, three members had entered Dulau, 6 Delau, and the other copies had no author or someone else as primary author.

>79 MarthaJeanne: Ah, I hadn't suspected that number of entries for one or the other was the factor--I'd assumed that author spelling was a 1st come, 1st served sort of thing & that wrong one was corrected by using 'combine with' box on specific one of two author pages. What you say explains why combining from one direction to another works sometimes but not others.

Did you fix the author by adding the author with correct spelling?

You can fix the author on a work by using the Other Author area.

https://www.librarything.com/work/20725046 and https://www.librarything.com/work/22842982 are the same book, but the author's name is so common I don't know how to merge them?

I did get them on the same series page: https://www.librarything.com/series/Pages+%2526+Co.

>82 mene: Done.

Combining from the author page is still the same as any other case. Or you can use the workbench.

Not sure if this is actually a combining problem, but I'm sure you can point me in the right direction, if it isn't.

This Book
https://www.librarything.com/catalog/bnielsen&collection=-1&deepsearch=1...

has this Work page:
https://www.librarything.com/work/22260322/book/160032159

One of the authors is

Christensen-Dalsgaard, Jørgen

but looking at the "Other Authors" section of the Work page you'll see that
Christensen-Dalsgaard, Jørgen is displayed as
Christensen-Dalsgaar… Jørgen

and links to https://www.librarything.com/author/christensendalsgaard which is some
Birte Christensen-Dalsgaard, i.e. not Jørgen Christensen-Dalsgaard.

I don't understand how that happened and aslo don't know how to fix it.

(FYI: I've made a smallish perl script, that finds all my unconfirmed secondary authors for me, so I can confirm them as secondary authors, so this is the first really weird one in a batch of over 1000 authors.)

>84 bnielsen: The "Christensen-Dalsgaard" part on its own likely reached the character limit for author pages URLs on Librarything, so everyone with that last name lands there and has to be disambiguated from it.

>85 Jarandel: Thanks a lot! (Just to test that I understand this: Any author surname longer than 20 characters is truncated with an … in a slightly weird way, so rather than "Spaldingspaldingspalding, Tim" we get "Spaldingspaldingspal… Tim" i.e. the comma is also gone.)

ETA: Ah, looking for long surnames in secondary authors found me another example:
https://www.librarything.com/work/4691879/book/25475773

but https://www.librarything.com/author/gudmundsenholmgreenp also has part of the given name included, so that's quite a bit less likely to cause problems.

Tried to combine the work(s) and author, but couldn't get it all to meld down to one work and one combined author. I tried combining the works first, and then the authors first, and I still ended up with two versions of the author that I couldn't combine. Please help?

Work is Sing for the Coming of the Longest Night, by Kathrine Fabian and Iona Datt Sharma
https://www.librarything.com/work/22968253
https://www.librarything.com/work/22968250

Author is Iona Datt Sharma
https://www.librarything.com/author/sharmaiona
https://www.librarything.com/author/sharmaionadatt

The only change I've kept is adding author "Sharma, Iona Datt" to the Katherine Fabian-only work. Please help?

>86 bnielsen: Yeah. Truncation at ~20 characters with punctuation omitted, and accented characters either omitted too or sometime rendered in html long form which can also result in hitting the limit before the end of the last name.

>87 karenb: Combined now.

>88 Jarandel: Thanks!

>88 Jarandel: Yes, I also found some names in Cyrillic giving numeric authorpages redirecting to authorpages with Latin versions of the names.

I'm not even sure where to begin on this. One of Matheson's early books, Bid Time Return, has been gathered up in some madman's delight, pulling in later copies made in preparation for the film (or perhaps after it was made), and I note there are also a couple of DVD entries in that group.

I noticed it on a segue beginning here, over on Book Talk, in a thread titled "Reading coincidence" in a brief aside.

https://www.librarything.com/topic/304480#6761313

https://www.librarything.com/work/57462

The original work was published in 1975, and was reissued with the title of the film after the film was released. Interesting note: He wrote the screenplay for the film. I think that, if the movies are separated back out, that the original title might win out in popularity, but in any case, I'd put in a Canonical entry for it so that it doesn't get muddled back up with the movie again.

Richard Matheson (just in case)

ETA: Ugh. I just happened to look at the CK entries, and someone has used it to force the title to be Somewhere in Time. I'm not going to delete it until the few films are separated out.

>91 Lyndatrue: Better now?

>92 jasbro: Oh dear. It seems as though someone combined the two titles, and now, "Bid Time Return" is completely vanished. It used to be listed in the list of works.

The works are indeed the same (more or less), but they were published at different times, and I'm now officially sad that I brought it up, since both works existed (sort of), and now it's only the film title work that's still there. Still, at least the film's been removed, and the CK is cleaned up, and the canonical title's gone. I'll be content with that, and appreciative of the work that was done to clean it up.

Thank you very much for the clean up.

I do hope that anyone with the original title is careful of it. They're going for some serious money right now.

>93 Lyndatrue: As I understand, any specific Title for a Work that's listed in a Member's individual catalog will always show up on the Member's specific record for that Work; but, unless we force a Canonical Title in CK, the predominant Title among Members' records appears on the generic Work page. Both the Original and Alternative Titles now appear on this Work's page, and a Site Search for the Original Title, Bid Time Return, discloses the Work under the more predominant Alternative Title, Somewhere in Time (together with several foreign language Titles for the same Work). No, we don't find the original Title listed on Richard Matheson's Author page, but that doesn't mean it's not there or won't be found. (And, yes, this system often confuses me too until I remember how it's supposed to work ... )

I'm more concerned by your comment, "The works are indeed the same (more or less) ... ." If the Alternative Title is actually a revised version of the original Work, they warrant separate Works. If it's only a later edition, perhaps with a different publisher, artwork, foreword, introduction, or afterword, combining them (as they are now) is the optimal approach. Please advise.

>94 jasbro: I'm sure that they're the same work, and probably no words have been changed other than the title. I have no way of knowing this for certain, but I'd say that one or more of the reviews would have pointed it out. I think I was mostly disappointed that the title had vanished from Matheson's catalog, when it had been there before, but honestly, it's the best (and most proper) outcome.

Thank you again for your kindness. :-}

Please separate
https://www.librarything.com/work/8932228

from the author
https://www.librarything.com/author/robertsonat

The author of 8932228 above is Archie Robertson, 1906-1965. See https://lccn.loc.gov/no2016055831

>96 shmjay: There is a lot needing to be done there. As your link shows, this is another Archibald Thomas Robertson. The author page needs splitting, but are all the AT Robertson books listed by an Archibald Thomas, or should the various names combined here be separated first? It needs some thinking about and a lot of research to split cleanly.

I'll split the authors, then. All the rest of the books are religious books and are by the main A.T. Robertson.

I split the authors, changed the canonical name of the principal one to "A.T. Robertson", the minor one to "Archie Robertson" with dates, and did a little combining in "Archibald Robertson".

Could someone please fix this. The cover image is incorrect.
Thanks!
https://www.librarything.com/work/491297
(Cover Image for the Main Page of Mr. Twigg's Mistake by Robert Lawson shows a cover of Mr. Popper's Penguins which happens to be illustrated by Robert Lawson)

>100 SaintSunniva: 13 people have received it as the default Amazon cover for that ISBN and kept it so it's probably not going anywhere, but it can be flagged as irrelevant for this work.

If it's the Amazon cover then I don't think it matters how many people are using it. If zero people are using it then it would still be the Amazon cover. To change that you need to contact Amazon.

Okay, weirdness. https://www.librarything.com/work/book/166240458 and https://www.librarything.com/work/233532 seem to be combined-but-not-combined. Any thoughts?

https://www.librarything.com/author/kakinouchitoshihiroh is actually two authors:
- Narumi Kakinouchi
and
- Toshiki Hirano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiki_Hirano (Toshihiro was his birth name, but he uses Toshiki as an author name)

>103 davidgn: I've been having some trouble like that lately too, but haven't been able to document a coherent bug report about it. You're not alone.

>103 davidgn:, >105 norabelle414: The first link is a specific book record; the second link is the Work, of which the specific book record is a part. At least at this point, they appear to be properly combined.

>104 mene: I adjusted names under "Add/edit other authors" to show two separate Authors, instead of one with both names. Please check to see whether I did it right, or if we need some further correction. Thanks!

Imagine my amazement to see the cover for this book showing up as a suggested cover to the Confessions of of Saint Augustine.

https://www.librarything.com/work/9036/book/167392394

It appears to have been inadvertently combined with Confessions, and I'd be truly astonished to discover that the little Zine truly was in the library of 15000+ Members.

https://www.librarything.com/work/9036

Please help to disentangle, and thank you.

>108 Lyndatrue: Good catch!

And it was easy enough to separate out (I think). Using my desktop browser's handy CTRL-F search feature, I zeroed in on two instances of "Zine" under Editions for Augustine's Confessions, separated and combined them, then for each Work ran through

• "Add other authors" (mostly to confirm what's already there),
• Editions (for Potential work combinations),
• Recalculate editions,
• Recalculate title/author, and
• Recalculate cover.

OK, I actually kept getting a "504 Gateway Time-out" for Augustine's covers, but I think it finally took. Even so, the Zine cover image is still there (for now), so I voted "Yes" on its flagging; but is it really that off-base? I mean, have you read Saint Augustine's Sin?

Please let us know if you see something more.

Hello! I've come across something more complex than I can fix on my own.

The Richard L. Fox of Tabloid Justice (https://www.librarything.com/author/foxrichardl) is the same Richard L. Fox co-author of It Takes a Candidate (https://www.librarything.com/work/3493085/book/120078313) and several other books. I do not believe the other books currently listed after Tabloid Justice are his.

This is his page with his CV at Loyola (as proof so to speak): https://bellarmine.lmu.edu/politicalscience/faculty/?expert=richard.fox

His works should include the following:

with Jennifer Ramos, iPolitics: Citizens, Elections, and Governing in the New Media Era (Cambridge, 2011)

with Jennifer L. Lawless, It Takes a Candidate: Why Women Don't Run for Office (Cambridge 2010)

(first author) Tabloid Justice: The Criminal Justice System in the Age of Media Frenzy, 2 nd ed. (Rienner, 2007)

coeditor of Gender and Elections: Shaping the Future of American Politics (Cambridge, 2010).

with Jennifer Lawless, Running from Office (2017)

The Richard Fox author disambiguation is messy so I can't get them right. Please help! Thanks very much.

>110 sparemethecensor: I think everything is here now ? https://www.librarything.com/author/foxrichardlogan

>112 Collectorator: It's not the wrong author or a different one, I merely validated him as an additional author, since he was already present in some of the records, either as Richard L. Fox or Richard Logan Fox, or both.

>114 Collectorator: No, he surfaced from copyholders' data, because they had him as a co-author even if no one else had validated him yet at the work level.

And he used his full name for part of his career so it is not surprising they would.

https://www.amazon.com/Dynamics-Congressional-Elections-Contemporary-American/dp...

I validated him from the list of possible un-validated additional authors present in copy-holders' entries, which gives the exact same message.

What would have made you happy ?

Richard L. Fox is used as an author for some of the books, I'm not going to override that. It's the more common form and it is the one used for his newer books or reprints.

Richard Logan Fox already existed with some of his books, too. Can't combine it with or alias it to Richard L. Fox (1). I'm not going to combine an undivided Richard L. Fox and Richard Logan Fox, because the others' middle names might not be Logan. I'm not going to override the author of all those books so they all sit in Richard L. Fox (1) because it's not wrong or misspelled.

I could have picked Richard Logan Fox to validate as the co-author on that book indeed, but does it really matter ? There will not be only one tidy page for this author unless canonical authors are forced, and this does not strike me as a good use for them.
At least aliasing the subdivision to the full name allows us to have a link between the pages, and an author page that centralizes all the books by that author listed on LT.

Thank you, Jarandel! It looks right to me. Much appreciated.

>103 davidgn: I think the issue you were having a couple weeks ago is this bug: http://www.librarything.com/topic/305973

>123 norabelle414: Yep, TY.

Anyone feel like cleaning the authors here? https://www.librarything.com/author/value

eta: And how about separating the person and the brand? Anyone up for that?
https://www.librarything.com/author/hinesduncan
https://viaf.org/viaf/42761946/

>125 davidgn: The "value" books have been dispatched under individual authors and editors when they could be identified, and corporate authors otherwise.

Nice work. Another find: needs split and disambiguated. Muchly.

https://www.librarything.com/author/deptinternationalmon

>127 davidgn: I've started the spliting, but many of the works need a lot of separating.

I decided to combine with the general IMF page, once I realized what a mess the whole thing was. Most of the works were actually mishmashes of different reports on a country. Some were on one page some on the other. Straightening it out needs to have everything together.

https://www.librarything.com/author/fundinternationalmon

The works on the page you linked to were entered as Dept., International Monetary...

To make it even more interesting, most of the books are owned by private members, and many are very sketchily entered.

Uganda
https://www.librarything.com/work/21385750/editions
'50 members' 'no private books' most editions have 2 copies. My guess is that each ISBN is a different report and should be a different work.
Some were entered with African Department, some with Fiscal Affairs Department, some with Statistics Department.
Only a very few have subtitles allowing them to really be identified.
I separated out the one edition with a real author name, but I think I'll leave the rest.
Most of the other countries have the subtitles included in many of the editions.

What could be done would be to separate out each edition and then divide according to which department is listed as author. This is a lot of work on an author with this many works already. The private member(s) involved don't seem to be bothered by it.

>128 MarthaJeanne: Good call.

Also of note is the warren described by:
https://www.librarything.com/author/educationglencoemcgr
https://www.librarything.com/author/glencoemcgrawhill
https://www.librarything.com/author/glencoe
https://www.librarything.com/author/mcgrawhill
https://www.librarything.com/author/macmillanmcgrawhillg
https://www.librarything.com/author/publishingmacmillan
and probably more

Similar measures may be in order for some/all?

I hope someone will take this on.

There are many books to be separated for this title, The Orient, Australia, and the South Sea Islands by V. M. Hillyer on Hillyer's author page, https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=hillyervm

Thanks!

>130 SaintSunniva: Think I got it. If anyone wants to give it a second look, be my guest. There's probably more to be found for the author, but my little hit-and-run seems to have solved the immediate problem.

eta: Some combining from this author page will be in order: https://www.librarything.com/author/hillyervmhueyeg

Another warren:
https://www.librarything.com/author/internationaltheedit
https://www.librarything.com/author/publishingcreative

And one more:
https://www.librarything.com/author/societytheeditorialb

Also the Golden Books...

https://www.librarything.com/author/booksgolden
https://www.librarything.com/author/littlegoldenbooks
https://www.librarything.com/author/westernpublishing
...missing any? Could probably do with a roll-up and work combining.

I just know this group is awash with speakers of Estonian. https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=bjelovvasili. Am asking re 5th & 6th books on list, much more to satisfy my curiosity than from urgent need to combine. 'Jutustus' apparently means 'story' but even if it does is there a way to know if this is a story from the novel or the novel itself? Aitäh.

>134 bluepiano:

Why don't you ask the LT user who added it? Looking at their library, the use that format a lot and I doubt that all of these https://www.librarything.com/catalog/Enel.Pungas&deepsearch=%5Bjutustus%5D are excerpts...

>134 bluepiano: I also happen to know that a certain prosfilaes is of Estonian extraction and was considering moving there at one point. How his Estonian is right now I couldn't say.

>135 AnnieMod:, >137 davidgn: Thank ye. Sounds like 'Story' = subtitle, then, not 'story from'.

Another: https://www.librarything.com/work/967996/editions/168506358

The English edition edited by Sonnenfeld in European Perspectives series--the only English one probably but that's only a guess--is abridged & heavily edited and is judging from Sonnenfeld's preface a watered-down version of the French original. Because one of the two original editors was Italian & because of Italian contributors I feel fairly certain that Italian edition is as the French original. The Portuguese edtion, I've no idea. It would be nice if someone were willing to separate the English edition at least from the original versions. Maybe write the disambiguation notice as well, as I don't trust myself to do so without using the words 'dumbed-down'. Cheers.

This is going to need more splitting than I have attention for at the moment. https://www.librarything.com/author/universityofwisconsi

I should also mention in passing: I've made a project of combining and adding pictures for every pictureless corporate author or publisher-as-author I could find from https://www.librarything.com/authorgallery/stats/stats

From rank 1 to 100,000, I've already been through every page at least twice, and all that's left are a handful for which I could not find a picture, but particularly since the lists can be wonky and not always display all names in a range, I could still use more eyes to find any I might have missed. I've also continued down to a bit below rank 130,000, but i've yet to do a second pass there.

>140 davidgn: I've noticed your work, and am impressed by your drive. Some of those are purely obscure.

>141 2wonderY: Thanks. On the other hand, though, it's low-hanging fruit. The thing about corporate authors is I can be pretty confident in finding a picture for most of them.

----
Meanwhile, GEO was a mess, and I wound up rolling it up. It's going to need to be work-combined and re-separated at some point.

https://www.librarything.com/author/geospecial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_(magazine)

Would someone please take this on?

I made a series page for Animals at Home.
The author is Iliane Roels; the books are translated to English from German, and are also available in other languages, including Finnish. A cover on the series page, which is not a cover but seems to be a private library emblem in Finnish, should be replaced with the cover I added today, for The Bee.
Thank you!

the series page
https://www.librarything.com/series/Animals+at+Home

the work page for The Bee
https://www.librarything.com/work/9608619

>143 SaintSunniva: I tried, but the default cover doesn't change. AFAIK the only option is to hit 'recalculate cover' on the lower right side on the work page, which then changes the default one to the most used one. Both you desired cover and the emblem are used just once and it sticks with the previous one. Hopefully, when a few more people vote 'not a cover' that will push your cover to the default one.

https://www.librarything.com/work/9608619/covers

>143 SaintSunniva: No direct control over series pages covers afaik, it'll probably have to wait until more people have added the book, and more than 1 agree on using your cover, or another relevant one, as their choice.

>144 SandraArdnas:, >145 Jarandel: thanks for trying. It's not right that a cover not in the language of the site has precedence.

There you go :) I entered the book myself, chose your cover, recalculated cover and then deleted the book. It shows a bee on a series page now

>146 SaintSunniva: 'Language of the site' has no bearing on that afaik, covers have no language identifier associated, and people can use any one of the language sites with multilingual libraries so assuming they should be showed series covers in one language would be plain wrong. What could be done is preferentially showing an user their own covers for items in the series they have in their libraries but that's not the case here currently.

It's just that the overwhelming majority of users are english-speaking so the covers with the largest numbers of users selecting them tend to be anglophone ones unless it's a (typically untranslated to English, or fairly obscure in English translation) book where a larger number of holders selected a cover in another language.

>147 SandraArdnas: ... and now it's reverted.

>143 SaintSunniva: Have you tried adding an ISBN to your entry? Or enter a second copy yourself. That seems more reasonable than having others add a copy to get the cover used.

Currently you are the only public member with the book in English. There are two ISBNs listed. An English language one that is only on a ghost edition, and the Finnish ISBN associated with that 'cover' on two copies. An extra copy with your cover is enough to change it, but the chances that someone will choose it is fairly low considering that the book was published 50 years ago.

>149 jasbro: What do you mean? For me, it still shows the bee cover, both on the work page and series page.

Perhaps an RSI is in order to prevent flagged covers from becoming default (and generally pushing them to obscurity)

>151 SandraArdnas: Because I entered it for a short time. But it will revert again soon.

I just added a new book, https://www.librarything.com/work/21215412
However the library source misspelled the primary authors name, so "other authors" on the https://www.librarything.com/work/21215412 page has Totben Martinussen as the main author. (It should be Torben Martinussen, i.e. the first name is spelled T O R ... not T O T ... I don't know how to correct that, so I thought I'd ask for help here. Thanks in advance!

>153 bnielsen: I edited the primary author so it shows correctly. However, on the (correct) author page it still says (Author, some editions). Is there a reason he also appears as secondary author-some editions? I suspect that's the reason and deleting that entry will result in author page considering him the primary author

>152 MarthaJeanne: yes, I see it's reverted on the series page.(https://www.librarything.com/series/Animals+at+Home)

I'll add a "ghost" second copy, and choose the cover I added before.

I can add the Library of Congress number, but this 1969 book doesn't have an isbn.

>152 MarthaJeanne: Well, I'm really pleased to see the series page with that one book The Bee, with an actual cover, but bummed that I can't see all 7 covers. Could someone remind how to see them all? (the "show all" hyperlink doesn't bring them up)

https://www.librarything.com/series/Animals+at+Home

Two are missing: The Penguin, The Stork.

Anyone who speaks German have any input on this? https://www.librarything.com/work/19731/ We picked up a copy of Rheinisches Sagenbuch from the uni library sale yesterday, which automatically winds up in that work. It'd had a OPD put in CK of 1928 which was clearly very wrong for this book which was printed in 1922 and which seems to date from 1906, and looking at the editions, both in English and German there seems to be both regular "legends" as well as "finest legends," so I'm wondering if these might actually be two separate works? But it's also possible it's just a title change in later editions...

After poking around DNB and WorldCat for a bit, it seems that Finest is an abridgement of Legends. 1906 might be right for legends.

I've started separating and put in disambiguation notes and a work to work relationship. It is possible that the Dutch De Rijnsagen is actually Finest, but is in Legends for now.

Awesome, thanks MJ!

>157 .Monkey.: I should be able to find our Finest Legends of the Rhine in case you have questions about its content or format. (FTR, I’m unsure whether my LT cataloging is yet complete or correct.). If I don’t follow up in the next several days, I’d welcome a reminder.

Hoping someone can straighten this out. There is a children's book that I just added to my library, but when I did, the adult version by the same author is what is shown, and it definitely is not the same work (A Pocket History of the United States by Allan Nevins and Henry Steele Commager https://www.librarything.com/work/251476

The canonical title is correct for A Pocket History; the covers are all for A Pocket History, too.

The children's book is A Picture History of the United States of America by Henry Steele Commager, illustrated by Clarke Hutton. There is a series page for them Picture History https://www.librarything.com/series/Picture+History

I want my book, A Picture History of the United States of America, not combined / uncombined with A Pocket History of the United States.

I hope this makes sense.
Thanks for your help.

It seems someone has already separated it and combined correctly

>162 SandraArdnas: Why so they did. Thank you for taking a look at it, though.

Is there a reason we don't combine Richard Bachman and Steven King?

I think you mean Stephen King

Currently the three books on the Richard Bachman page have Stephen King as the primary author. It wouldn't move any books, just get rid of the Bachman author page.

>164 davidgn: Consider too the possibility that someone else may publish under the name of “Richard Bachman.” If that name were actually combined with Stephen King, disambiguation between King and the second Bachman would be complicated. At that point, a division of “Bachman” between the two, then aliasing King’s Works under that name, would seem more in line with LibraryThing’s general practice.

What do you make of this “Author”? http://www.librarything.com/author/llcbooks

>167 jasbro: I wish the person(s) who went to the trouble of creating that bunch of parasitic POD offerings had used an authorship that allowed better distinction between the actual works and the Wikipedia articles rather than attributing them to the authors they were about, but at least they're long gone from any kind of prominence in the Amazon search results that they used to infest, and most of those on LT are under that 'author'.

>167 jasbro: >168 Jarandel: I seem to recall doing a bit of combining on those to help the siloing process along...

I need help. I was checking on the Enid Blyton combine/separate page (https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=blytonenid) and noticed something strange.
For the entry containing the vast majority of Five on Kirrin Island Again copies, the title that appears next to the check box is Five Go Off to Camp, which is a completely different book - not just a different title for the same story (they are number 6 and 7 in the Famous Five series). I looked through all the titles listed under that check box and can't see a single copy of "Five Go Off to Camp" so why does the title next to the check box say that?

As I'm writing this I notise that the touchstones for both of these books come up as "Five Go Off to Camp", so I'm assuming the problem is related.

>170 PawsforThought: Someone set the wrong canonical title for the Kirrin Island book. I've deleted it and it should show correctly now. Also separated the one Five Go Off to Camp in there and combined it with the correct work.

Both works are listed as 7th on the series page. Is this how it should be?

>171 SandraArdnas: Thanks. No, they shouldn't both be 7th (Five on Kirrin Island Again is 6th). But I can fix that.

>168 Jarandel: >169 davidgn: Does http://www.librarything.com/work/10763283/editions need attention then?

Please combine these 2 works:

https://www.librarything.com/work/13400576
https://www.librarything.com/work/10389470

Thank you.

>174 SaintSunniva: Done.

>175 2wonderY: Golly, you're fast!

It's the wonderful workbench tool. I love it!

Here's another:

heroes and heroines are combined, need to be separated.

https://www.librarything.com/combine.php?author=lorddaniela

>178 SaintSunniva: Separated.

>157 .Monkey.: After a bit of online research, see http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Ruland,+Wilhelm,... and my updates to Wilhelm Ruland's Legends of the Rhine, The Finest Legends of the Rhine {Small Edition; 25 stories}, and The Finest Legends of the Rhine {abridged; 18 stories}. For reference, our edition is the latter. Hope this helps!

“Please combine:
#1: Batman: The Novelization "by Frank; DAvid Mazzucchelli; Richmond Lewis Miller"
https://www.librarything.com/work/23324813/workdetails/169589730
https://www.librarything.com/work/23324813/editions/169589730

and #2: Batman: The Novelization
https://www.librarything.com/work/23324809
https://www.librarything.com/work/23324809/editions

and #3: Batman: The Novelization
https://www.librarything.com/work/23324815

with the correct work entry: "Batman: year one by Frank Miller (writer), David Mazzucchelli"
https://www.librarything.com/work/74608/
https://www.librarything.com/work/74608/book/169590129

I have this book ("Batman: Year One", hardcover, first edition, ISBN 0930289323) and can visually confirm its ISBN number.

However, when I added it (using Amazon.com books as the source), it brought it up with "Batman: The Novelization" as the title (due to an incorrect ISBN entered somewhere on Amazon, I suppose), linked as one of the many edition of https://www.librarything.com/work/59688/details/167003353 (the correct work entry for Batman: The Novelization by Craig Shaw Gardner.

I located and separated three ISBN 0930289323 editions from the "Batman: The Novelization" work entry (the three that I listed as #1, #2, and #3 above) but can't recall how to combine these three with the correct work entry for Batman: Year One (work/74608). I also don't know how to "fix" the work details to get rid of the incorrect "Batman: The Novelization" information still linked to these three work entries (23324809, 23324813, and 23324815) which all come up under ISBN 0930289323.

>181 YoungTrek: Done, but I've left the zero copy with the wrong author out of it. Think it's better remaining as a singleton to prevent wrong autocobinations

I just read a book, The Glorious Burden The American Presidency by Stefan Lorant. i put it into my site on LibraryThing but there was no correct cover for it. But Amazon has the correct cover on its site. Can some smart person put the Amazon cover into LibraryThing so that I can show it on my page? The correct cover i

>183 Schmerguls: I moved your copy to the correct work.

Thank you, MarthaJeane. And on the page where you put it I found the correct cover and put it on the page for my review. I am indeed grateful for your kind help.

So, Combiners: I find So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish (in The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide), which asks “Please do not combine So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish with any omnibus, anthology or standalone book. This entry is for the members which wish to keep the story separate from The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide main book.”.

As I understand, the content of this “story” is, in fact, that of the “standalone book” of the same Title, and content more than anything else governs whether we combine or distinguish among Works. Before I summarily disregard the DN and blithely combine this “story” with its corresponding standalone book, can anyone give me a reason not to?

>186 jasbro: I notice that one of the editions combined in the So Long "story" is just The Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide, I might separate that one before combining the So Long "story" with the So Long "standalone book"

>186 jasbro: I've seen these type of disambiguation notice before (see https://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=standalone+&f=13) and I never know for sure what to do with these works. My personal opinion is that these works belong with other versions of the story/book, no matter what omnibus they were originally published in. So far, I have left the works alone, but it would be nice to have some consensus on whether to combine or not for future reference.

I notice that the Amazon description for the stand alone book says, "PART FOUR IN A TRILOGY OF FIVE."

I fail to see why this would not be combined with standalone So Long and Thanks for All the Fish. There isn't any such disambiguation requirement for the first novel in the Ultimate Hitchhikers Guide. I was going to say'nor is there a similar practice elsewhere that I know', but I stand corrected. Personally, I'd erase that standalone part from the DN, and combine what belongs together. I see no reason whatsoever to keep them separate, nor do I understand the reasoning of people behind the DN. Why the heck do they want it? What do they care that the same standalone will be a part of the work?

>187 norabelle414: >188 SimoneA: >189 MarthaJeanne: >190 SandraArdnas: Done. Thanks for your input. Without limitation, there are multiple, different volumes that anthologize the same content as the stand-alone book, as well as each other part of the same anthologies. To maintain separate LT Works for each occurrence of any given content in a different anthology is impractical and runs counter to our fundamental principle of combining like records as a single Work.

For reference, numerous similar DNs appear on the Search page that SimoneA posted in #188 above. Help straightening them out would be appreciated.

Would someone combine:
https://www.librarything.com/work/10987848
https://www.librarything.com/work/21654814

Thank you.

>192 SaintSunniva: Done.

Despite disambiguation notice at least two editions requiring separate entries, and possibly more, have been combined here: http://www.librarything.com/work/3802700/editions/97819303.

>194 bluepiano:

I pulled out the Penguin ones at least. Will look at some other editions later.

>195 AnnieMod: Good on ya. How can I move my copy from previous grab bag to Penguin Classics page? Ta.

You need to identify it somehow so you can pull it out. One option is to change the title temporarily - this will get it a new record that you can separate. If the record has an ISBN, you can simply separate all of the books with this one and recombine (or post the ISBN here and I can do that).

So how does that work? Presumably bluepiano's book is included with a bunch of other books in an edition and when he changes the title it will now be in an edition of one, but the previous edition will still be attached to the grab bag work. He then combines his edition with the correct work but when he changes the name back it will become part of the previous edition again. But that old edition is still combined with the old work, so why would it recombine with the new edition just because a book tied to that new edition was combined with it?

>198 jjwilson61:

It should not go back though - or at least in my experience it stays where you put it after you manage to split it out. You pull it out based on the new name; it does not just automatically get back with the most likely edition after that (most of the time).

So it pulls all the other books in the same "edition" with it into the new work. What if some of those other books really did belong in the first edition? This seems like a recipe for a slow motion edit war. The better answer would be to change your title to something that indicates what it really is (like add Penguin Classics to the title) and leave the title that way.

Nope. When you rename it, it is not a part of the big bundle with the old name anymore. So it is separatable on its own. The lines that show X books with the same name/author/ISBN still contain separate books inside - and when you rename on, it shows on its own in the list now.

Even if they change the title to include Penguin Classics, it STILL needs to be pulled out from the gaggle and recombined where it belongs. I am not going to tell someone that they MUST have the title of their own copy in a specific way permanently.

That's not the way it works. When two books have the same title and author and ISBN then they are the same edition and they cannot be assigned to different works. If it worked for you before then there must have been some small change to the name when you thought you restored the title.

When you change the name, it is not the same edition anymore... Then you can pull it out. Once it is out, it can go elsewhere.

You cannot touch it if you do not own the book but if you can manipulate the title, you can pull your own copy out.

My experience is the same as >201 AnnieMod:. Once it is in the new work you can delete the changes without it moving back or changing other books.

With that, this thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #81 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/308513. Thank you!